The Bible declares that Jesus is God

[djhwoodwerks]

The blind hate truth and will live in their errors so they can fit in.

Which is every single witness!

The only view that counts in the end as to what a cult is, is Gods view--Mans view means--LITTLE. Mans view has screwed it all up

And how do you think God views your cult taking the place of His Son Jesus? You think He's thrilled with that? He sent His Son to be our sacrifice for salvation. Jesus suffered, Jesus was crucified and died, but your cult says that their organization is where salvation is, think God is blessing that?

w93 9/15 p. 22 They Compassionately Shepherd the Little Sheep ***
But if we were to draw away from Jehovah’s organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy.

*** w99 7/15 p. 10 par. 5 Helping People to Draw Close to Jehovah ***
Whether we are anointed “ambassadors substituting for Christ” or are envoys with earthly hopes

*** w98 12/15 p. 18 par. 10 This Is the Day of Salvation! ***
As substitutes for Christ, anointed ones beg: “Become reconciled to God.” This entreaty is a merciful urging to seek peace with God and accept the salvation he makes possible through Christ.

That quote right there, your 'slave' is teaching that salvation is in them.


You should really read your publications!!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

fact--Mark 3:24-26-- a house divided( 33,000 trinity based religions) will NOT stand--can you understand this simple bible milk? They FAIL 100% 1Cor 1:10-- unity of thought--no division.

True, and Rutherford "divided" way back when and started the cult you're in today!!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

It was God who saw that no flesh could live by the Law so he sent his son with a new covenant= LOVE.

Love is a NEW covenant?

Leviticus 19:18 (ESV Strong's) 18 You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

Isn't this a covenant of LOVE?

Exodus 20:12-17 (ESV Strong's) 12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.”

 

[djhwoodwerks]

But FEW have that love--Love for friends and family is not enough.

That love is conditional with witnesses tho, everyone has to believe what is taught by the 'slave' or that person is "HATED" in a Biblical sense, correct?

Just what I stated--faith by my works--doing works builds a strong living faith.

And where does the Bible say that? My unaltered Bible says,

Romans 10:17 (ESV Strong's) 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

 

[Rick B]

BIBLE FACT--There is one God--YHVH(Jehovah) --always was and always will be. Jesus has a mortal mother--he was NOT God in the flesh--its a lie.

We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. 1 John 4:14

And they were saying to the woman, "It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves and know that this One indeed is the Savior of the world." John 4:42

Was wondering if you believe these Scriptures describing the role of Christ as THE Savior of the world?

 

[Desert Snake]

Many were called either a god or godlike--it did not make them-GOD nor did it make them a false god either. Jesus is not God at all--God did it all through him.-John 5:30, Acts 2:22)-- How many x was the name Jesus mentioned the first 4000 years of the OT? = 0--Why if he is God? Because he wasn't Jesus prior to coming to this earth--He speaks at Prov 8--He is Gods master worker.

That is not a man. That would be another "god".
The problem with your equation. You can admit polytheism if you want, but don't waffle around the contradiction.
If Jesus is an angel, then still not a man!
If Jesus a man, not a God, and not an angel, then it's blatant contradiction of Scripture!
The only alternative left, is a demi-god!

Polytheism!

 

[Desert Snake]

When does basic math not apply to Scripture? This is about as plain as it gets.


John 10:30

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The blind hate truth and will live in their errors so they can fit in.

Isn't that what witnesses do? "Live in error" so they don't lose their family and friends? Not one witness can from the heart say they have the truth, because they rely on 7 men to tell them what the truth is, and it can change from one day to the next.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 (ESV Strong's) 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions

Witnesses go door to door preaching fear about what's going to happen on the earth. They preach there is no life after death and there is no torment in hell.

Witnesses prey on the fears of the people to get them to join their organization. Your organization is filled with people that are afraid of spending eternity in hell, so they are drawn to the teaching that there is no hell which eases their minds.

Witnesses don't preach salvation in Christ, they preach salvation in an organization, which they say is Christ's "substitute".

 

[kjw47]

And do you honestly believe the "old covenant", which was given by God to Abraham, didn't? If so, was God having a bad day when He provided it?

And why did God give the Law if it wasn't for "LOVE"? Did He do it just for the fun of it? The Law provided God's directions on how to treat others, so doesn't that reflect "LOVE"? If not, then why did God give it in the first place?

Now, there obviously was never was any assumption on God's part that any person could keep the entire Law, which is why many of the Commandments have penalties attached to them if one doesn't obey them. If God thought that anyone could not go through life being perfect, then why did He attach penalties instead of condemning everyone? This makes no sense.

The concept that only Christians have "LOVE" as part of their teachings is nonsensical and, frankly, un"LOVING" in and of itself because it is bigoted and judgmental as it uses stereotypes in a condemning manner.

My wife's Catholicism doesn't teach that-- too bad the JW's do.

The JW,s do not teach that only they have love--every mortal has love-- Every mortal has love for family and friends--even Hitler accomplished that--How many have that same love for their enemies?? Not Hitler--Not many. Stop twisting what I say.

 

[kjw47]

I never open files

 

[kjw47]

First off, we're not discussing who's greater, right? Nice way to derail the points being made!

Second, if I sign a power of attorney and give my sister all my power over my matters, does that make me greater than her? No, no it doesn't!

Third, if GOD gave Jesus "ALL" power in heaven and earth, it means He has "ALL", not just some, not most, not all, but this much, it's "ALL".

If you have a bag of cookies and you give them "ALL" to your child, does that mean you gave them "ALL" to your child or, "ALL" but 2? If someone has "ALL" of something, what's left over for anyone else?

If Jesus has "ALL" power in heaven and earth, what's left over for satan?

No matter what truths I share--you reject it somehow

Yes God gave it to Jesus--2 beings there-- one is God( the giver) one is not God( the receiver)= fact.

 

[kjw47]

Which is every single witness!



And how do you think God views your cult taking the place of His Son Jesus? You think He's thrilled with that? He sent His Son to be our sacrifice for salvation. Jesus suffered, Jesus was crucified and died, but your cult says that their organization is where salvation is, think God is blessing that?

w93 9/15 p. 22 They Compassionately Shepherd the Little Sheep ***
But if we were to draw away from Jehovah’s organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy.

*** w99 7/15 p. 10 par. 5 Helping People to Draw Close to Jehovah ***
Whether we are anointed “ambassadors substituting for Christ” or are envoys with earthly hopes

*** w98 12/15 p. 18 par. 10 This Is the Day of Salvation! ***
As substitutes for Christ, anointed ones beg: “Become reconciled to God.” This entreaty is a merciful urging to seek peace with God and accept the salvation he makes possible through Christ.

That quote right there, your 'slave' is teaching that salvation is in them.


You should really read your publications!!

Only in your twisted analogy--The JW teachers go by these realities--Luke 10:16-- he who listens to Jesus anointed teachers( mortal) are listening to Jesus.--Jesus is head of the whole congregation , including the teachers.,( Heb 13:17--be submissive to teachers-)-You seem to have missed a lot of truth and have listened to twistings that are not reality.

 

[kjw47]

We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. 1 John 4:14

And they were saying to the woman, "It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves and know that this One indeed is the Savior of the world." John 4:42

Was wondering if you believe these Scriptures describing the role of Christ as THE Savior of the world?

Yes his Father gave him that--it was not his to start with, none of it was--John 5:30)--God shares with Jesus--If Jesus were God it was already his.

 

[kjw47]

That is not a man. That would be another "god".
The problem with your equation. You can admit polytheism if you want, but don't waffle around the contradiction.
If Jesus is an angel, then still not a man!
If Jesus a man, not a God, and not an angel, then it's blatant contradiction of Scripture!
The only alternative left, is a demi-god!

Polytheism!

Not being called God at all, being called god( small g) there are many examples in the bible proving my words are fact and you are twisting reality--Being called a god - has godlike qualities--that is all it is not calling them God.
Angels were called godlike--God power went through them.
Moses was called God( capitol G ) but he was not a God--Gods power went through him, the same as it goes through those angels and Moses as well. They appear to have godlike qualities--but don't in reality. God does it all through them. The same with Jesus--God did it all through him, because Gave the power to Jesus. Even in the last line of the ;Lords prayer--Jesus tells you---The KINGDOM, POWER, and GLORY all belong to the Father.

 

[kjw47]

Isn't that what witnesses do? "Live in error" so they don't lose their family and friends? Not one witness can from the heart say they have the truth, because they rely on 7 men to tell them what the truth is, and it can change from one day to the next.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 (ESV Strong's) 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions

Witnesses go door to door preaching fear about what's going to happen on the earth. They preach there is no life after death and there is no torment in hell.

Witnesses prey on the fears of the people to get them to join their organization. Your organization is filled with people that are afraid of spending eternity in hell, so they are drawn to the teaching that there is no hell which eases their minds.

Witnesses don't preach salvation in Christ, they preach salvation in an organization, which they say is Christ's "substitute".

You have it twisted in your imagination because you fail to see FACT.
The JW,s teach that the orginazation is likened to Noahs ark--Either one is on board when the door is shut by God at the start of the trib, or they cannot get on after that. They do not take Jesus place as the only way to salvation--only in twistings of those who hate truth and do not speak truth.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

No matter what truths I share--you reject it somehow

Yes God gave it to Jesus--2 beings there-- one is God( the giver) one is not God( the receiver)= fact.

You haven't presented any truth, yet.

Does it really matter who is the giver and who is the receiver? God gave ALL power to Jesus, that's it, Jesus has ALL power. I don't care how He got it, he HAS it!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The JW,s teach that the orginazation is likened to Noahs ark--Either one is on board when the door is shut by God at the start of the trib, or they cannot get on after that. They do not take Jesus place as the only way to salvation

Do you pay attention to what you write? Or are you that blind?

The 'slave' teaches that the "organization is likened to Noah's Ark", wasn't the "ark" salvation for Noah and his family? Yes, yes it was!!

 

[Rick B]

We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. 1 John 4:14

And they were saying to the woman, "It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves and know that this One indeed is the Savior of the world." John 4:42

Was wondering if you believe these Scriptures describing the role of Christ as THE Savior of the world?

Yes his Father gave him that--it was not his to start with, none of it was--John 5:30)--God shares with Jesus--If Jesus were God it was already his.

Two points that I would like to bring out.

You appear to agree with 1 John 4:14 and John 4:42 that Jesus is the Savior of the world.

To be consistent, how do you harmonize that New Testament truth with Isaiah 43:10-11 “You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me. 11 “I, even I, am the Lord, And there is no savior besides Me.

And Deut.32:39 ‘See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

Only YHWH is declared the only Savior and the only God even a small g god. And yet the JW position says Jesus is the Savior and Jesus is a god.

Inconsistency is the sign of a failed argument.

The orthodox Christian view recognizes and accepts the truth below which reveals the harmony of these passages of Scripture declaring Jesus as YHWH..

I never open files

Here is the file.

Scriptures Identifying Jesus as Yahweh
Taken from James White in The Forgotten Trinity (Chapter 9, endnote 2)

Mtt. 1:21; Psa. 130:8; Isa. 35:4 [God will save His people]
Mtt. 3:12; Rev. 6:16; Psa. 2:12; 76:7 [Fear God]
Mtt. 5:18; Mk. 13:31 [God’s word is eternal; Jesus’ word is eternal]
Mtt. 25:31-46; Psa. 50:6; 59:11; 96:13 [God is Judge, Jesus is Judge]
Jn. 1:3; Isa. 44:24 [Yahweh alone created all things]
Jn. 1:7-9; Isa. 60:9 [God is light]
Jn. 7:37-38; Jer. 2:13 [Yahweh the fountain of living water]
Jn. 10:11; Psa. 23:1; 110:3 [The Good Shepherd]
Jn. 12:41; Isa. 6:1 [The vision of Isaiah—Yahweh’s glory]
Jn. 14:6; Psa. 31:5 [God is truth]
Jn. 14:14; 1 Cor. 1:2 [Prayer to Jesus]
Jn. 14:26; 16:27; Rom. 8:9; 1 Pet. 1:11; Neh. 9:20; 2 Sam 23:2-3 [Spirit of Yahweh/God/Christ]
Jn. 17:5; Isa. 48:11 [Will not give His glory to another]
Acts 1:8; Isa. 43:10 [Witness of Whom?]
Acts 4:24; 2 Pet. 2:1; Jude 4 [Who is our Master?]
Rom. 10:13; Joel 2:32 [Call on the name of…]
Eph. 4:8-9; Psa. 68:18 [God leads the captives…]
Phil. 2:10-11; Isa. 45:23 [Every knee will bow…]
Col. 1:16; Eph. 5:25, 27; Rom. 11:36 [All things are to God…]
Col. 1:17; Acts 17:28 [We exist in God]
Col. 2:3; 1 Tim. 1:17 [Only wise God…treasure of wisdom]
2 Tim. 1:12; Jer. 17:5 [Trust in Yahweh—believe in Jesus]
Heb. 1:3; 1 Tim. 6:15 [Jesus’ power—God is only sovereign]
Heb. 1:10; Psa. 102:25 [Jesus is Yahweh]
Heb. 13:8; Mal. 3:6 [God changes not]
Jms. 2:1; Zech. 2:5 [Lord of glory]
1 Pet. 2:3; Psa. 34:8 [Taste that Yahweh is good]
1 Pet. 3:15; Isa. 8:13 [Sanctify Yahweh]
Rev. 1:5-6; Exod. 34:14 [Glorify Jesus]
Rev. 1:13-16; Ezek. 43:2 [God’s voice is the voice of Jesus]
Rev. 2:23; 1 Kings 8:39 [Jesus searches the hearts]
Rev. 3:7; Revelation 15:4 [God alone is holy]

 

[Muslim-UK]

I read the first 11 pages or so and could see time and time again the non Trinitarians proving Jesus pbuh was not God, nor did he claim to be. They showed multiple instances of mistranslated verses used by Trinitarians.

Many First Century followers of Jesus pbuh including his family did not think him to be God. The DSS and Gospels left out of the NT show he was thought to be a mighty Prophet on par with Angels. Much as we might imagine is the rank of Moses pbuh, Abraham pbuh etc.

The Roman have merely replaced their worship of the Sun with the Son of God, and declared 'Sun' worship Day the blessed day to glorify him.

Ultimately anyone ascribing partners unto God is in truth worshipping the Devil, for all he wants is to take you to hell with him.
Peace

 

[kjw47]

You haven't presented any truth, yet.

Does it really matter who is the giver and who is the receiver? God gave ALL power to Jesus, that's it, Jesus has ALL power. I don't care how He got it, he HAS it!

You are missing the point--If Jesus were God, he already would have the power. It had to be given to him.