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The Bible is gay

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
You saying I wasn't worshiping Jehovah is basically saying I wasn't a Christian and dismissing the faith I once had. Just because it was a different denomination with a different interpretation of the Bible doesn't mean that I wasn't worshiping Jehovah.


Do the math SW...if Jehovah is not a vindictive despot who tortures souls in a fiery hell forever...then you were NOT worshipping Jehovah. Any church that promotes that lie was never "Christian" to begin with. It dishonours the Creator and makes people like you give up out of despair.
Jehovah never stops offering a hand unless we stop reaching for it.


So does he not care enough to give a stern correction to those like me who tried to follow but were tormented beyond reason? I've certainly had not signs or visions or learned anything secrets, not even at my most desperate when I was trying very hard to cling onto my faith. I didn't want to let go, it was all I knew, it was all I had, but it was killing me.

You don't need a stern correction...you need a loving healing. You need understanding not judgment, condemnation or punishment.

When Jesus gathered the crowds to teach them, he healed the people of their afflictions first. This was just a brief demonstration of what will happen here on earth when he brings his kingdom to redeemed humanity. We can look forward to becoming the person we want to be...the one we know we can be.

How many times did you pray the Lord's Prayer in church? What did the words mean to you? Do you know what Jesus was teaching us to pray for?....with the coming of God's kingdom, under the leadership of his Christ, everything that is wrong will be rectified. God's will can then "be done on earth as it is in heaven."

You won't get visions or signs or revealed mysteries....all you will get is the truth and the ability to comprehend it. Trying to cling to a faith that teaches you about a cruel and vindictive God makes it almost impossible to love him. You have to lose that image of him because he is nothing like that.

Sexual preference issues can make serving Jehovah a challenge, but with his help, you can succeed in living a productive and satisfying life while we wait for the real healing to come. This is what he offers to all despite everything, and I believe that he wants us all to succeed and gain the benefits of the new world to come.

Seeing ourselves there....this is what keeps my faith strong.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Do the math SW...if Jehovah is not a vindictive despot who tortures souls in a fiery hell forever...then you were NOT worshipping Jehovah. Any church that promotes that lie was never "Christian" to begin with. It dishonours the Creator and makes people like you give up out of despair.
I can still debate this from their perspective, and demonstrate, from Genesis to Revelations, the Lake of Fire is the eternal destination of those who died without Christ's forgiveness. You say they had it wrong. They say you have it wrong. Same book, different interpretations that lead to an impasse over such issues - the very reason there are thousands of Christian denominations.
How many times did you pray the Lord's Prayer in church?
Southern Baptists tend to not specifically recite the Lord's Prayer. Prayer is personal communication time between us and god. There are no specifics other than the sincerity of the prayer. Placing requirements and emphasizing anything else is to pray to the air. You have made a false and graven idol by even asking the question and putting what is the "model prayer" (praising and thanking god, asking forgiveness, asking our needs, they will be done, more thanks and praise) on a higher pedestal. Some Southern Baptist even take that "pray in a closet" thing literally.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Cute, but none of it addresses my post. None of the texts addresses homosexuality. They all address promiscuity and/or lust.

Yes exactly.....'promiscuity and lust' dominate the gay scene. Ever witnessed a gay Mardi-gras? We have one of the biggest celebrations of the gay lifestyle in the world in Sydney every year. All the gay families are there applauding this display.
Did the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah mean nothing...does God now owe them an apology?

This is what you are supporting....

gay mardi gras sydney - Google Search

A nice family event you want to take your children to.....so wholesome and something Jesus would be happy to endorse.......? o_O What does the word "chaste" mean?


That’s because the biblical writers had no knowledge of homosexuality as an orientation. Therefore, none of the texts pertains to normal and healthy homosexual relationships — especially when marriage is involved.

God is the Creator...he set the standard for marriage between a man and a woman.....SSM is not "marriage" in God's definition regardless of how the world views it....nor does a sanction from any church or clergyman guild the lily. God does not change his moral standards to facilitate what the apostle Paul's calls an "abomination"....look up this word in the dictionary.

How does understanding it as "an orientation" make the slightest bit of difference to how God views the use of the sexual organs that he created to produce a family by the natural means that were to be enjoyed ONLY within the sanctioned bonds of marriage that he instituted?

Pedophilia is an 'orientation' too....a lot of pedophiles are gay with a preference for young boys....the younger the better for some. Is it OK because it is an "orientation"? They can't help it you know....

Your justifications leave me shaking my head. We have to decide whether we are men pleasers or God pleasers I guess.

Your hate of the activity is unfounded — by science and by the Bible.

I'm afraid I will have to let Jesus fill you in on that one. Immorality does not become moral just because people want to act out their lusts. Such is its importance in a Christian's life...."eros" is not mentioned once in the NT...but you knew that...right? Its "agape" we should be promoting.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Ever witnessed a gay Mardi-gras?
Ever been to a University of Miami fraternity party? Dissipation happens across the border.

Did the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah mean nothing
The sin of Sodom was inhospitality. If you embraced scholasticism at all (or bothered to actually read the Bible), you’d know that.

God is the Creator...he set the standard for marriage between a man and a woman.....SSM is not "marriage" in God's definition regardless of how the world views it....nor does a sanction from any church or clergyman guild the lily. God does not change his moral standards to facilitate what the apostle Paul's calls an "abomination"....look up this word in the dictionary
<rubs temples> I thought we’d gone over this previously, yet it appears as though you’re intent on parroting the same opinions, regardless of having been supplied with evidence to the contrary. Same sex marriage is sanctioned by God — otherwise I’d never celebrate one.

How does understanding it as "an orientation" make the slightest bit of difference to how God views the use of the sexual organs that he created to produce a family by the natural means that were to be enjoyed ONLY within the sanctioned bonds of marriage that he instituted?
1) Adam and Eve weren’t married. 2) God didn’t create sex organs only to produce children. 3) Science matters, and where science stands in opposition to mythic stories and ancient religious codes, science prevails.

Pedophilia is an 'orientation' too
No it isn’t. Pedophilia is a disorder. Oh, and just so you know, there’s no reason to place “quotation marks” around “orientation.” Homosexuality is a bona fide orientation — as is heterosexuality. It’s documented in the DSM IV and V. This isn’t something you can just dismiss with wishful thinking or “faith.”

Your justifications leave me shaking my head. We have to decide whether we are men pleasers or God pleasers I guess
Shaking your head might clear out some dogmatic cobwebs that serve to impede rational thought...
I'm afraid I will have to let Jesus fill you in on that one. Immorality does not become moral just because people want to act out their lusts
Homosexual love isn’t “lust,” any more than heterosexual love is “lust.” Therefore, it’s not immoral.
 
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Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I can still debate this from their perspective, and demonstrate, from Genesis to Revelations, the Lake of Fire is the eternal destination of those who died without Christ's forgiveness. You say they had it wrong. They say you have it wrong. Same book, different interpretations that lead to an impasse over such issues - the very reason there are thousands of Christian denominations.

Indeed....and it helps to understand how that happened. Jesus gave us the parable of the "wheat and the weeds" (or tares which it is believed to be a plant called Bearded Darnel which so resembles wheat in its early growing stages, that it was a blight to farmers who could not tell the real wheat from this weed until it fruited). If you look at who it was that Jesus said was the sower of the weeds, you would see his hand in all those bickering denominations.

The devil told the woman she would not die...the weeds promote that lie by teaching that we go on living in some kind of spiritual afterlife....the good go to heaven and the wicked to some kind of hell. The option of 'heaven or hell' was never offered to Israel and it was never offered to Christians either.....Christendom twisted scripture to make it seem that way.

It teaches that the "one God" of Israel somehow became three "persons" squeezed into one "head" when we find no such teaching in either Judaism or Christianity....these things were introduced long after Jesus walked the earth....he taught none of those things.

When you say that you can debate "hell" from Genesis to Revelation.....well so can I. I can show you why they are misreading scripture to promote their weed-like doctrines. I am happy to discuss them if you want to start another thread on "hell from Genesis to Revelation".

We can examine what the Bible really teaches as opposed to what people think it teaches.

There is no impasse if you know the truth, taught by the 'wheat', not the 'weeds'. The weeds are sown by the devil. It paints an awful picture of God as a cruel dictator who just wants to spoil our fun...limiting our freedom to make us feel frustrated....forcing us to live in unfulfilled misery.
That is the exact opposite of what Jehovah is. It is a lie. Jehovah is the epitome of love.

Southern Baptists tend to not specifically recite the Lord's Prayer. Prayer is personal communication time between us and god. There are no specifics other than the sincerity of the prayer.

That's interesting, as we also keep that prayer as a model...not something to recite parrot fashion. This was what Jesus recommended as the subject matter for our prayers. So, what were the points that Jesus was emphasizing? Firstly, the importance of God's name, and secondly, the anticipation of the coming of the Kingdom....something that was coming to us...not that we were going to it. It would make possible the doing of God's will on earth "as it is in heaven.....its very obvious that this hasn't happened yet.
Giving thanks to God for his many provisions is also important on a daily basis, as is asking for forgiveness for the many times we fall short. But the importance of asking God's spiritual protection from satan and his agents cannot be underestimated.

You have made a false and graven idol by even asking the question and putting what is the "model prayer" (praising and thanking god, asking forgiveness, asking our needs, they will be done, more thanks and praise) on a higher pedestal. Some Southern Baptist even take that "pray in a closet" thing literally.

We take prayer seriously but have no repetitive prayers in our meetings or in private...taking it to a closet is a bit extreme. Public prayer was conducted in Israel where one person represented the group in prayer...its the whole reason for saying "amen" as a way of saying that this is also my prayer....it is an acknowledgement of agreement. Jesus also led his apostles in prayer...and it goes without saying that prayer was a part of all Christian gatherings.

This is how I see things.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Ever been to a University of Miami fraternity party? Dissipation happens across the border.


The sin of Sodom was inhospitality. If you embraced scholasticism at all (or bothered to actually read the Bible), you’d know that.


<rubs temples> I thought we’d gone over this previously, yet it appears as though you’re intent on parroting the same opinions, regardless of having been supplied with evidence to the contrary. Same sex marriage is sanctioned by God — otherwise I’d never celebrate one.


1) Adam and Eve weren’t married. 2) God didn’t create sex organs only to produce children. 3) Science matters, and where science stands in opposition to mythic stories and ancient religious codes, science prevails.


No it isn’t. Pedophilia is a disorder. Oh, and just so you know, there’s no reason to place “quotation marks” around “orientation.” Homosexuality is a bona fide orientation — as is heterosexuality. It’s documented in the DSM IV and V. This isn’t something you can just dismiss with wishful thinking or “faith.”


Shaking your head might clear out some dogmatic cobwebs that serve to impede rational thought...

Homosexual love isn’t “lust,” any more than heterosexual love is “lust.” Therefore, it’s not immoral.

Your responses leave me speechless....:facepalm:

I will let Jesus provide you with his response. I cannot participate in this discussion with you any longer.....You take justification to a whole new level.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
When you say that you can debate "hell" from Genesis to Revelation.....well so can I. I can show you why they are misreading scripture to promote their weed-like doctrines. I am happy to discuss them if you want to start another thread on "hell from Genesis to Revelation".
I doubt it would be worth it. Because I could go on endlessly about how it is you who are misreading scripture.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Your responses leave me speechless...
Good! Some time to process new learning is always necessary.

I cannot participate in this discussion with you any longer.....You take justification to a whole new level
What you may interpret as justification is known in honest faith circles as a realistic theological position.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
This is how I see things
Precisely. This is how YOU see things. IOW, it’s an opinion, and not the whole truth. Others see things differently and offer different interpretations of texts and tradition and doctrines.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I doubt it would be worth it. Because I could go on endlessly about how it is you who are misreading scripture.

I find it amazing that you can defend the religion that sent you packing...tortured and condemned....desperately clinging to a faith that was killing you (your words) :shrug:

I would have thought you would be eager to prove them wrong.....I left Christendom for the same reason....it was a joy to find out the truth and to be able to put all those false teachings behind me forever. The truth really did set me free.....
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I find it amazing that you can defend the religion that sent you packing...tortured and condemned....desperately clinging to a faith that was killing you (your words) :shrug:
I'm not defending it. I'm making the point that there is no clear or concise answer to be found in such a debate. Each Christian denomination thinks they are right while everybody else is wrong.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
23 sep 2018 stvdv
I believe in God. I just have doubts regarding Scripture containing no errors!

I have no doubt the original manuscripts had no errors. If there a particular story you had in mind?

I do not think that;s true as Galations says Galatians 3:28. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Noah living over 900 years perhaps. A bear killing 42 children for making fun of a "bald head". Lots wife turned into a pillar of salt perhaps? And so much more...

God distroy sodam and gamora. That is prof God don't like people who are gay

I like Galatians 3:28. So no "male and female". So why all the fuss about "to be gay or not to be gay" in the Bible? Makes me wonder "to quote or not to quote Bible verses"
 
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stvdv

Veteran Member
Yes it is. You can all think that. But I'm right.being gay is a really bad sin. So if you want to be that then you will never see light of day.

So it seems you are sitting on God's throne declaring "you will never see light of day". Would not be my choice.

We all need to learn lessons here on earth. One lesson you must agree on is "do not judge"

If you judge gay, knowing God tells you "do not judge", He might grant you 1 special new incarnation being gay
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
The bible is true. And why do you think God destroy sodam and gamora. He don't approve gays and lesbians and trans. He will destroy them.

And if He will not do so, you seem eager to give Him a hand [repeating it like 6 times]? What about the first Greatest Commandments, you forgot about those?
 
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NewLet's get with the 21st century please! Any text written thousands of years ago is outdated and holds people back!

Yet so many things still remain the same food for thought
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
23 sep 2018 stvdv
I was giving my opinion.

Yes it is. You can all think that. But I'm right.being gay is a really bad sin. So if you want to be that then you will never see light of day.

You have said many, many, many times "I am right ... gay is wrong ... God says so ... etc.". Seems like a gay obsession almost.

You even declare now that you are God by stating "if you want to be that then you will never see light of day"

To avoid such terrible blasphemy I advice always to start the statements with "In my humble opinion". People will love you for it.

I just saw a youtube. Check at <7m20s - 8m15s> and feel the amazing 55s
[It kind of churned my stomach, no butterflies but some boiling emotions]

 
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stvdv

Veteran Member
The poor man Lazarus was taken to "Abraham's bosom." That seems gay to me, because I'm sure there are nicer female bosoms in heaven that the poor man could go to.

This is just puerile nonsense.
I would not call it nonsense. I call it a natural attraction to female breasts for a healthy young man.

Calling God “Gay” is puerile, not an act of unbelief.
The thread was about "Bible is Gay". Some people think God = Bible therefore jumping to "God is Gay" I would call "Jumping to wrong conclusions"
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I'm not defending it. I'm making the point that there is no clear or concise answer to be found in such a debate. Each Christian denomination thinks they are right while everybody else is wrong.

Lets explore the topic....you present the Southern Baptist view (the one you were raised with that so terrified you)....and I will show you scripture that clarifies their scripture proving that there is no hell of fiery torment forever....OK?

Don't you want to prove them wrong and find the God who doesn't want to punish you like that.....? He wants to save you....if you let him.
 
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