The Bible on Sex

[Beaudreaux]

Back to Sex in the Bible.....

Genesis..
6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

What does anyone make of this?

Great big giant sex going on, I suppose. Actually, I don't get it. Especially the part that says "the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men." I mean, you can come into a house. You can come into a room. You can come into a car. How do you come into a ..... OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Ew!

 

[tumbleweed41]

Funny how a book that some read to be full of virtue, and an example of how to live can be so....well dirty....

Genesis 19:31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth: 19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. 19:33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. 19:34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

 

[Comicaze247]

Funny how a book that some read to be full of virtue, and an example of how to live can be so....well dirty....

Genesis 19:31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth: 19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. 19:33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. 19:34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

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[raybo]

Great big giant sex going on, I suppose. Actually, I don't get it. Especially the part that says "the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men." I mean, you can come into a house. You can come into a room. You can come into a car. How do you come into a ..... OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Ew!

Beaudreaux,

As you stir the cup so... could you pass the spoon please!

Angels "Sons of God" cannot begot. It is wise to say that the number of angels created are the number that remain today. Regarding who are the nephilum, and where are their offspring is a great mystery. One needs to gather much insight to piece together.

The flaw in Darwinism has a clue to this. Habitat by the forces of nature breakdown. Lets consider a clearcut in the amazon jungle to provide grazing for cattle. In a handful of years through erosion and resulting hard pan little is survived to grow; the insects that plow the soil gone.Only on the periphery, adjacent to a forest, will mother nature grab a foot hold and rebuild. If, in the beginning there was no forest of any kind to support the advance of the forest... today there would be no such forest.

Natural Selection not withstanding. One species does not survive apart from another. The bee colony is nourished and survives by the pollen from flower. Their design to gather pollen remaining a mystery to science. Fauna can only survive by the pollination of its seed. Who told who... the other would be there for them and how can one be... ( or evolve) without the other ?

All the while as nature breaks down, all manner of living things are dependent upon each other for survival. The interactions of design in this... must be sustained.

Back to the nephilum!

As the descendants of Cain became far removed from the genetic purity once offered through Adam, those who remained on the Holy Mountain and played in the heavens remained genetically true, much as they originally were and more.

tumbleweed41, All,

Let's see what can be seen!

The covenant that God made with Adam that also restored divine guidance through Seth, the third son and brother of Cain and Able, have much consequence. As these Sons of God were seduced from the Holy Mountain and begot children with the descendent's of Cain, just as light and dark cannot mix, though they were bound to the manifestation, they had no place in the order of what was to be played out. The destruction of all living things was pending. Something moral (godly) had to be done...

If any would like to consider further... the outcome! i will wait for a request to do so!

There are not many who are bound to scriptural canon that will venture so. That again is the work of the immoral (satanic) one.

Forgive me, if this stuff offends...

ray

 

[tumbleweed41]

Angels "Sons of God" cannot begot. It is wise to say that the number of angels created are the number that remain today. Regarding who are the nephilum, and where are their offspring is a great mystery. One needs to gather much insight to piece together.

The flaw in Darwinism has a clue to this. Habitat by the forces of nature breakdown. Lets consider a clearcut in the amazon jungle to provide grazing for cattle. In a handful of years through erosion and resulting hard pan little is survived to grow; the insects that plow the soil gone.Only on the periphery, adjacent to a forest, will mother nature grab a foot hold and rebuild. If, in the beginning there was no forest of any kind to support the advance of the forest... today there would be no such forest.

Natural Selection not withstanding. One species does not survive apart from another. The bee colony is nourished and survives by the pollen from flower. Their design to gather pollen remaining a mystery to science. Fauna can only survive by the pollination of its seed. Who told who... the other would be there for them and how can one be... ( or evolve) without the other ?

All the while as nature breaks down, all manner of living things are dependent upon each other for survival. The interactions of design in this... must be sustained.

Non Sequitur

Back to the nephilum!

As the descendants of Cain became far removed from the genetic purity once offered through Adam, those who remained on the Holy Mountain and played in the heavens remained genetically true, much as they originally were and more.

As all humans were descendants of Adam and Eve, where is the genetic impurity? Cains line was just as "pure" as Seths. To be impure, a separate genetic line would have to be introduced. Are you implying that their were other "humans" on the earth who were not descendants of Adam and Eve?

tumbleweed41, All,

Let's see what can be seen!

The covenant that God made with Adam that also restored divine guidance through Seth, the third son and brother of Cain and Able, have much consequence. As these Sons of God were seduced from the Holy Mountain and begot children with the descendent's of Cain, just as light and dark cannot mix, though they were bound to the manifestation, they had no place in the order of what was to be played out. The destruction of all living things was pending. Something moral (godly) had to be done...

Here you imply "sins of our fathers". Indicating that not only Cain, but his mate(s), and all his descendants and their mate(s) carried a genetic defect that made them "evil". If this is true, then the flood, and the saving of Seths "pure" line would have "wiped out" this "evil" gene. But this begs the question, where did this "evil" come from? Adam? Eve?, and if so, would not this "evil" have been passed down to all generations? Including Seths line? What then was the purpose of the flood?

If any would like to consider further... the outcome! i will wait for a request to do so!

There are not many who are bound to scriptural canon that will venture so. That again is the work of the immoral (satanic) one.

Forgive me, if this stuff offends...

ray

No offence, it is common for those who question biblical accuracy to be called evil.

 

[raybo]

tumbleweed41,

Non Sequitur: ...if one cannot see the connection i suppose. Thanks for the reply!

Natural selection is a myth that nature builds things up. You will find the contrary in reality. Mutations are seldom better than the host that produced them. This earth is far from paradise that was given to sustain mankind, as are the lifeforms in them. Those that believe in the evolution of life are as duped as any who were tutored by the likes of Cain and his descendent's. Survival of the fittest my ***! Survival is reduced to the lowest common denominator without a righteousness to guide it. In the thousand plus years these descendent's where exposed to the master and ruler of this earth. Much had been tainted. Genetic impurity you bet ya! Do you doubt this? Do you doubt the immorality that would have been the standard. An anything goes... and went man!

The wickedness at the time of the flood has been clearly stated. Let me offer what the flood actually revealed. Generations of mankind that have been left to fend on their own (cut off from divine inspiration), are subject to whatever remains. Mankind does not fare vary well in any of that before or after the flood. One needs to only check the history books.

The answer was clearly given in my post as to who was the driving force behind this wicked generations of souls. Seth's line was as well lost to this when they descended from the Holy Mountain. Why you are asking this is peculiar.

What was shared is consistent to all that has been accepted in the canon texts and what has been omitted.

non sequitur... is much of what should be examined all the more. Let me share more of what was deemed non sequitur:

[FONT=verdana, arial, sans-serif]Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.

It is written in the book of romans: [/FONT]18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of human beings who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Bringing up Darwinism theories vs creation is closely linked to the above. It is relative!

Hoping we can find some agreement, so as to continue this further!
What do we or can we agree on?
Blessings!
ray

 

[tumbleweed41]

Raybo, there are other threads for debate on accepted scientific facts and theories.

Back to the copulation of sons of God and the daughters of men....

Genesis Chapter 6, Hebrew Bible
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 that the sons of elohim saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives, whomsoever they chose.
3 And the YHYH said: 'My spirit shall not abide in man for ever, for that he also is flesh; therefore shall his days be a hundred and twenty years.'
4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.

According to Rabbi Moses ben Maimon, the elohim are angels ranked as 7th in the hierarchy of angelic beings. Known as "Godly Beings". Ben Elohim, (Sons of godly beings, ranked 8th in ben Maimons hierarchy of angelic beings) took the daughters of men as wives.

! Samuel 28:13
13 And the king said unto her: 'Be not afraid; for what seest thou?' And the woman said unto Saul: 'I see elohim coming up out of the earth.'
Elohim here is tranlated as "godly beings" in the Hebrew Bible.

Nephilim can be translated to mean "Children of Elohim"

 

[raybo]

tumbleweed41,

Then are you suggesting, or think or believe angels can begot offspring? Or begot offspring when coupled with man?

 

[tumbleweed41]

tumbleweed41,

Then are you suggesting, or think or believe angels can begot offspring? Or begot offspring when coupled with man?

I am merely telling you what the author(s) of Genesis wrote. And what Rabbinical scholars have concluded from their studies of Hebrew scripture.
Clearly the Hebrew for "sons of God" means angels.


Job 1:6 Now it fell upon a day, that the sons of God came to present themselves before YHWH, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1 Again it fell upon a day, that the sons of God came to present themselves before YHWH, and Satan came also among them to present himself before YHWH.

 

[raybo]

I am merely telling you what the author(s) of Genesis wrote. And what Rabbinical scholars have concluded from their studies of Hebrew scripture.
Clearly the Hebrew for "sons of God" means angels.


Job 1:6 Now it fell upon a day, that the sons of God came to present themselves before YHWH, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1 Again it fell upon a day, that the sons of God came to present themselves before YHWH, and Satan came also among them to present himself before YHWH.

tumbleweed41,

You and i can be assured that should angels begot... mankind would have perished very soon after. The term has implications. Yet the implication is clear. If you are raised holy and share with the divine you are a son/daughter. The insight is that one had to be unblemished and without discord of any kind. Adam could not share in this, neither could Satan.

In the text regarding the Second book of Adam and Eve the dark lord is unrelenting. The place that was cherished by the sons of Seth, is set in the realm formerly occupied by Satanel. This got his goat... as you would imagine. All he had to do was temp the sons off the Holy Mountain so as to become unclean and they could not return as before. Music, song, dance, enticing women, fried food, lots of drink... the perfect illusion of a good time for all.


15 Meanwhile the children of Seth, who were on the Holy Mountain, prayed and praised God, in the place of the hosts of angels who had fallen; wherefore God had called them 'angels," because He rejoiced over them greatly.

16 But after this, they no longer kept His commandment, nor held by the promise He had made to their fathers; but they relaxed from their fasting and praying, and from the counsel of Jared their father. And they kept on gathering together on the top of the mountain, to look upon the children of Cain, from morning until evening, and upon what they did, upon their beautiful dresses and ornaments.

17 Then the children of Cain looked up from below, and saw the children of Seth, standing in troops on the top of the mountain; and they called to them to come down to them.

18 But the children of Seth said to them from above, "We don't know the way." Then Genun, the son of Lamech, heard them say they did not know the way, and he be thought himself how he might bring them down.

19 Then Satan appeared to him by night, saying, "There is no way for them to come down from the mountain on which they dwell; but when they come to-morrow, say to them, 'Come ye to the western side of the mountain; there you will find the way of a stream of water, that comes down to the foot of the mountain, between two hills; come down that way to us."

20 Then when it was day, Genun blew the horns and beat the drums below the mountain, as he was wont. The children of Seth heard it, and came as they used to do.

21 Then Genun said to them from down below, "Go to the western side of the mountain, there you will find the way to come down."

22 But when the children of Seth heard these words from him, they went back into the cave to Jared, to tell him all they had heard.

23 Then when Jared heard it, he was grieved; for he knew that they would transgress his counsel.

24 After this a hundred men of the children of Seth gathered together, and said among themselves, "Come, let us go down to the children of Cain, and see what they do, and enjoy ourselves with them."

Here is a look at the origins of these text.

The Second Book of Adam and Eve - Background

This one finds a certain consistency that should not be overlooked.

 

[linwood]

Deuteronomy is OT so all that specific scripture you listed was made null and void by Jesus.

Well the stoning bit was made null and void by Jesus as well. Should have mentioned that.

Christ himself denies your statement.

Matt 5:18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Where is the Biblical standard you rest these voided commandments on?

Please explain to me this doctrine of moral versus ceremonial law.

I haven`t heard it in awhile and it`s always entertaining.

 

[Beaudreaux]

tumbleweed41,

Then are you suggesting, or think or believe angels can begot offspring? Or begot offspring when coupled with man?

Let me try to understand here. Angels are sterile and so when they banged human women there were no babies. Is this correct?

 

[raybo]

Let me try to understand here. Angels are sterile and so when they banged human women there were no babies. Is this correct?

Lets offer another take shall we!

Angels born of the spirit have no means to bare little angels, in and by themselves or with another species born of the flesh. However, up till the time of Yeshua, there were spirits that occupied or possessed the "benign" spirits of souls who were born to the flesh of those begotten (mankind). These spirits are summoned by the demons (fallen angels) as they roam the earth looking for a resting place. Such spirits (nephilum) were denied flesh of their own, as their fathers (descendant's of Seth) whom had possessed supernatural abilities and holy powers granted once from the heavens... had opted to mix with wickedness exposed to a lesser form in the flesh (descendent's of Cain). The result was very messy indeed. Completely unsustainable! Hence, they were banned to roam the earth. The devil for a time had found a way to use these lost souls... like the story goes until the resurrection of Yeshua.

Please try to pay attention! Focus please!

Here's the spoon... when you stir, please try not to let things spill over any further.

 

[tumbleweed41]

tumbleweed41,

You and i can be assured that should angels begot... mankind would have perished very soon after. The term has implications. Yet the implication is clear. If you are raised holy and share with the divine you are a son/daughter. The insight is that one had to be unblemished and without discord of any kind. Adam could not share in this, neither could Satan.

In the text regarding the Second book of Adam and Eve the dark lord is unrelenting. The place that was cherished by the sons of Seth, is set in the realm formerly occupied by Satanel. This got his goat... as you would imagine. All he had to do was temp the sons off the Holy Mountain so as to become unclean and they could not return as before. Music, song, dance, enticing women, fried food, lots of drink... the perfect illusion of a good time for all.


This one finds a certain consistency that should not be overlooked.

Sorry, I thought we were talking about the Bible, and specifically in this context, the Books of Moses.
The "First Book of Adam and Eve" and the "Second Book of Adam and Eve" are texts dated from the 5th or 6th century AD(CE). Originally written in Arabic. It has been concluded to be work of pseudepigrapha.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Lets offer another take shall we!

Angels born of the spirit have no means to bare little angels, in and by themselves or with another species born of the flesh. However, up till the time of Yeshua, there were spirits that occupied or possessed the "benign" spirits of souls who were born to the flesh of those begotten (mankind). These spirits are summoned by the demons (fallen angels) as they roam the earth looking for a resting place. Such spirits (nephilum) were denied flesh of their own, as their fathers (descendant's of Seth) whom had possessed supernatural abilities and holy powers granted once from the heavens... had opted to mix with wickedness exposed to a lesser form in the flesh (descendent's of Cain). The result was very messy indeed. Completely unsustainable! Hence, they were banned to roam the earth. The devil for a time had found a way to use these lost souls... like the story goes until the resurrection of Yeshua.

Please try to pay attention! Focus please!

Here's the spoon... when you stir, please try not to let things spill over any further.

Pay attention to what? What is the Scriptural basis for this belief?

 

[Beaudreaux]

Please try to pay attention! Focus please!

Here's the spoon... when you stir, please try not to let things spill over any further.

I don't understand. What did I get wrong?

Angels born of the spirit have no means to bare little angels, in and by themselves or with another species born of the flesh.

So, they're sterile. That's what I said.

However, up till the time of Yeshua, there were spirits that occupied or possessed the "benign" spirits of souls who were born to the flesh of those begotten (mankind).

So.....no banging? Is that what I got wrong? You do know this thread is about sex in the Bible, yes?

 

[raybo]

Sorry, I thought we were talking about the Bible, and specifically in this context, the Books of Moses.
The "First Book of Adam and Eve" and the "Second Book of Adam and Eve" are texts dated from the 5th or 6th century AD(CE). Originally written in Arabic. It has been concluded to be work of pseudepigrapha.

tumbleweed41,

Haven't you wondered by what authority they have been left out of any biblical canon. I cautioned you that not everyone is willing to step outside the canon. This one was, when he (I) read every book that i could that was left out of the canon at the Council of Laodicea in 364 A.D. If you like i could share what i found with you.

The first and second Book of Adam and Eve can be dated to the first century A.D.

This debate regarding scripture has been long over due. To follow in the footsteps of Yeshua to repent and to discover the true self... one does discern these things rather easily. Any writing that has hung around since the time Yeshua and before does not need a stamp of approval by the likes of Constantine.

To continue one should find some common ground.

Feel the force...

 

[raybo]

Pay attention to what? What is the Scriptural basis for this belief?

Beaudreaux,

Try a little humor! I could say that the spirit is the basis for this belief.

Here's a riddle!

The scripture is deemed a lesser knowledge. Yet, when seen the scripture becomes a greater knowledge.

On topic: What do you see in this writing... Paul and Thecla

Acts of Paul and Thecla

 

[Enoch07]

Christ himself denies your statement.

Matt 5:18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Where is the Biblical standard you rest these voided commandments on?

Please explain to me this doctrine of moral versus ceremonial law.

I haven`t heard it in awhile and it`s always entertaining.

Because a lot of the stuff from OT does not apply anymore because of Jesus. Stoning gays to death is one of them. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone. That means for us to not judge anyone (let alone kill) unless we are free of sin ourselves. Us being human are never totally free of sin till we pass judgment from God.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Genesis [SIZE=-1](29:21-30)
"Give me my wife ... that I may go in unto her."
Jacob is tricked by Laban, the father of Rachel and Leah. Jacob asks for Rachel so that he can "go in unto her." But Laban gives him Leah instead, and Jacob "went in unto her [Leah]" by mistake. Jacob was fooled until morning -- apparently he didn't know who he was going in unto. Finally they worked things out and Jacob got to "go in unto" Rachel, too.

So Jacob got to "go in unto" both sisters. Sounds like a video I saw once.......
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