The Bible - Why Trust It

[Subduction Zone]

"There are no absolute truths," sounds like a claim to an absolute truth

or is it just me?

it would qualify as a meta-claim.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Testimonies about Jesus I find is found at John 5:31 to the end of the chapter.
Those Scriptures are the very ones that that are bearing witness about Jesus.
And as John 5:40 continues ....and yet you do Not want to come to Jesus so that you may have 'eternal ' life.
So, Jesus knew everything dies. Everything. That is: everything on Earth.
That was Not true before Adam broke God's Law of you eat, you die.
If mortal Adam had Not broken God's Law then mortal Adam would still be alive today on Earth.
Seems to me it was Adam who had his priorities wrong, dead wrong.
God's purpose, God's will, is that Earth be filled (Not overpopulated) with descendants of Adam and Eve.
God has Not changed his purpose and that is why God sent Jesus to Earth for us.
This is so as Jesus said the meek will inherit the Earth.
Inherit the Earth when the wicked are gone as per Psalms 37:9-11; Proverbs 2:21-22.
So, as Jesus said, that Scripture (old Hebrew Scripture) speaks on his behalf.

Can you explain without scripture what jesus meant when he said his apostles were looking to scripture to find him rather than who the scriptures spoke of?

 

[nPeace]

The ^ above ^ reminds me about the people of Acts of the Apostles 17:11 because daily they searched or researched the Scripture to see if what they were learning, what they were hearing, was really found in Scripture.

True

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Can you explain without scripture what jesus meant when he said his apostles were looking to scripture to find him rather than who the scriptures spoke of?

I notice you mention ' when Jesus said to his apostles ' yet I find in the 5th chapter of John that Jesus is addressing the Jews (Not apostles) notice starting from John 5:10 onward. So, the ' you ' is Not any apostles but the Jews.
So, what Jesus meant when he said the 'Jews' were looking to Scripture to find him.....
The apostles believed in Jesus, but those Jews 'ye' of John 5:38 + did Not.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

"There are no absolute truths," sounds like a claim to an absolute truth
or is it just me?

Since Jesus taught at John 17:17 that Scripture is religious truth, then in that sense, what Jesus taught was the absolute truth about his God.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I notice you mention ' when Jesus said to his apostles ' yet I find in the 5th chapter of John that Jesus is addressing the Jews (Not apostles) notice starting from John 5:10 onward. So, the ' you ' is Not any apostles but the Jews.
So, what Jesus meant when he said the 'Jews' were looking to Scripture to find him.....
The apostles believed in Jesus, but those Jews 'ye' of John 5:38 + did Not.

The jews were supposed to look to christ not to scripture. Why would you find christ in scripture when he the jews not to look to scripture but to the one the scriputre speaks of?

Why would you be different thant he jews he was speaking to when he said not to look to scripture but to the one the scripture speaks of>

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The jews were supposed to look to christ not to scripture. Why would you find christ in scripture when he the jews not to look to scripture but to the one the scriputre speaks of?
Why would you be different thant he jews he was speaking to when he said not to look to scripture but to the one the scripture speaks of>

I find the Jews had the Scriptures ( as does Christendom which is Christian mostly in name only ).
They felt they had eternal life because they had the Scriptures. ( so does apostate Christendom today )
What those Jews were ignoring was that those Scriptures were leading up to Messiah coming.
A lot wanted a political Messiah (king) to act in their day or time frame, and were mad at Jesus as per John 6:15.
So, those corrupted Jews were Not like the common people who were living in ' expectation ' of Messiah's arrival in the first century as per Luke 3:15. However those Jews versed in the law failed to accept Jesus as Messiah.
So, how could those Jews believe when they were 'accepting glory from one another' and Not seeking the glory that is from the only God as per John 5:44.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Since Jesus taught at John 17:17 that Scripture is religious truth, then in that sense, what Jesus taught was the absolute truth about his God.

Jesus even said 'i am the truth"
and that said several ways

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I find the Jews had the Scriptures ( as does Christendom which is Christian mostly in name only ).
They felt they had eternal life because they had the Scriptures. ( so does apostate Christendom today )

Thats my point. If you didnt have scriptures, would you have christ?

What those Jews were ignoring was that those Scriptures were leading up to Messiah coming. A lot wanted a political Messiah (king) to act in their day or time frame, and were mad at Jesus as per John 6:15.

You do understand what Im asking?

So, those corrupted Jews were Not like the common people who were living in ' expectation ' of Messiah's arrival in the first century as per Luke 3:15. However those Jews versed in the law failed to accept Jesus as Messiah.

Never did like the language; it distracts your points.

Instead of corrupted jews, they are just jews that dont follow christian beliefs. They still dont.

So, how could those Jews believe when they were 'accepting glory from one another' and Not seeking the glory that is from

The question is jesus told the jews why would they look to scripure when scripture talks abuot him/christ?

Im not concerned over who is corrupted and why this group of people have eternal life and those jews not. I dont talk that way; not my morals. Im just focused on christ told the jews they are looking to scripture and they are supposed to be looking to christ.

Are you not doing the same as the jews: looking to scripture rather than talking about christ with whom scripture is about? (which means you can speak of christ without using scriptures to validate yuor statements)?

edited: this new tablet keyboard is doing this post no justice`!

 

[whirlingmerc]

Thats my point. If you didnt have scriptures, would you have christ?



You do understand what Im asking?



Never did like the language; it distracts your points.

Instead of corrupted jews, they are just jews that dont follow christian beliefs. They still dont.



The question is jesus told the jews why would they look to scripure when scripture talks abuot him/christ?

Im not concerned over who is corrupted and why this group of people have eternal life and those jews not. I dont talk that way; not my morals. Im just focused on christ told the jews they are looking to scripture and they are supposed to be looking to christ.

Are you not doing the same as the jews: looking to scripture rather than talking about christ with whom scripture is about? (which means you can speak of christ without using scriptures to validate yuor statements)?

edited: this new tablet keyboard is doing this post no justice`!

Jesus is 'the word made flesh' after all

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Thats my point. If you didnt have scriptures, would you have christ?
Instead of corrupted jews, they are just jews that dont follow christian beliefs. They still dont.

Of course we would Not know about Christ without Scripture.
Just as without Scripture we would Not know about Moses, Abraham, etc.
I was referring to the corrupted or un-faithful Jews in the first century as recorded in Scripture.
Yes, there are Jews today in the Soncino which speaks of their disparaging of Christ.
So, they still don't follow Christian beliefs and most apparently will not.

 

[sojourner]

I find 1 Timothy 2:5 says there is 'one' God and 'one' mediator between God and us, meaning Jesus.
That does Not mean we direct prayers to Jesus, but only pray to his God. Our Father which art in heaven......
We don't need anyone (a go between) to address God, but since God provided Jesus as ransom for us we ask God for everything through Jesus' name. In Jesus' name, Amen.

So... there IS a mediator — or “middle man.” According to Timothy.

 

[sojourner]

Of course we would Not know about Christ without Scripture.
Just as without Scripture we would Not know about Moses, Abraham, etc.
I was referring to the corrupted or un-faithful Jews in the first century as recorded in Scripture.
Yes, there are Jews today in the Soncino which speaks of their disparaging of Christ.
So, they still don't follow Christian beliefs and most apparently will not.

How did disciples know about Jesus who never met him for the 40-50 years until the gospels appeared?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Of course we would Not know about Christ without Scripture.
Just as without Scripture we would Not know about Moses, Abraham, etc.
I was referring to the corrupted or un-faithful Jews in the first century as recorded in Scripture.
Yes, there are Jews today in the Soncino which speaks of their disparaging of Christ.
So, they still don't follow Christian beliefs and most apparently will not.

Skipping the corrupted comment. Jesus says you look to scriptures as if it has eternal life; even they speak on my behalf.

Unless this scripture does not apply to you (and many others if it does not), why do you look to scriptures as if it holds eternal life rather than the person scriptures speaks of?

 

[sojourner]

Yes, like ashes I find paper is perishable.
People over thousands of years have tried to ban, burn or otherwise destroy Scripture.
The Bible has enemies from both without and within.
False clergy ( within) try to fool with Scripture. Some political ( without ) have tried to rid the Earth of Scripture.
People were even burned alive if caught with even a page of Scripture, but No one, nor anything can get rid of Scripture even though it is written on perishable paper.

Since Adam's downfall, like Adam, we all die.
The foremost work of the devil is: death.
Adam passed down death to us and that is why we die.
Since we can Not resurrect oneself or another we need someone who can resurrect us.
That is where I find Jesus enters into the picture because Jesus will undo 'enemy death' for mankind.
That is why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come !
Come and rid the Earth ( earthly things ) of 'enemy death' as per 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8.
So, I find that besides God, His Holy Scripture will be left and never be obsolete.

And yet, some scripture was lost. Thomas, for example, was lost and not recovered until too late. Q is not extant as a stand-alone document.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Jesus is 'the word made flesh' after all

Yeah. I think they are missing something crucial. The Word is the Creator's dictations (laws of Moses for example). No one listened so he made his Word flesh/incarnate so his Word/Oral Laws can "walk among the people" and offer salvation. It says nothing abuot scripures as part of the salvational deal.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Skipping the corrupted comment. Jesus says you look to scriptures as if it has eternal life; even they speak on my behalf.
Unless this scripture does not apply to you (and many others if it does not), why do you look to scriptures as if it holds eternal life rather than the person scriptures speaks of?

I find that Jesus, the teachings of Jesus, are only found between the pages of Scripture.
The two ( Scripture and Jesus ) are inseparable.

Remember Jesus was speaking or addressing those opposing Jews against him.
They had the Scriptures ( as does apostate Christendom today ) but they chose to ignore Jesus.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I find 1 Timothy 2:5 says there is 'one' God and 'one' mediator between God and us, meaning Jesus.
That does Not mean we direct prayers to Jesus, but only pray to his God. Our Father which art in heaven......
We don't need anyone (a go between) to address God, but since God provided Jesus as ransom for us we ask God for everything through Jesus' name. In Jesus' name, Amen.

Sorry. How are you not worshiping jesus when you pray to god you pray in the name of jesus? You dont have to say "I worship you jesus" to put him at such high importance, he can act as gods go-between himself.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yeah. I think they are missing something crucial. The Word is the Creator's dictations (laws of Moses for example). No one listened so he made his Word flesh/incarnate so his Word/Oral Laws can "walk among the people" and offer salvation. It says nothing abuot scripures as part of the salvational deal.

We read about salvation in Scripture, such as I find at Matthew 20:28, that Jesus' ransom covers many.

 

[sojourner]

Yeah. I think they are missing something crucial. The Word is the Creator's dictations (laws of Moses for example). No one listened so he made his Word flesh/incarnate so his Word/Oral Laws can "walk among the people" and offer salvation. It says nothing abuot scripures as part of the salvational deal.

Right. We take literacy for granted. In Jesus’ time (and before), most people couldn’t read, and most writing took place on soft clay tablets. Most things weren’t written down, but transmitted orally. The written word is a comparatively recent development in Christendom.