The big bang and the creation of the universe.

[Repox]

The same way God always existed with all this energy/power.

How can a spiritual being have a material Body?

Matter and energy, as well as all other properties of the universe are separate from God's eternal body. Energy as we know it is a product of God's creation, it didn't exist before the universe. Energy, like matter, are subject to physical laws, which are outside of heaven. God, a spiritual being, created matter and energy when He created the universe. They have no spiritual attributes and they never existed before God's creation.

 

[idav]

How can a spiritual being have a material Body?

Matter and energy, as well as all other properties of the universe are separate from God's eternal body. Energy as we know it is a product of God's creation, it didn't exist before the universe. Energy, like matter, are subject to physical laws, which are outside of heaven. God, a spiritual being, created matter and energy when He created the universe. They have no spiritual attributes and they never existed before God's creation.

Spirit is a substance just like anything else. A description of non-material sounds like non-existence. We don't know what exists outside the universe and the easiest assumption is that nothing does. As for the big bang we know nothing about its beginnings or lack of beginnings. Law of conservation says the system as a whole, as in the energy, couldn't have been created which leaves us with a universe that didn't begin per se.

 

[camanintx]

I know God did it. However, the name of the game here is to win the argument for God. Atheist must rely on science for a contrary argument. So, I challenge atheist to prove God doesn't exist, or that science has the answer.

God's existence is not a question science can answer because it is a philosophical question. Before I can prove your God doesn't exist though, you would have to provide a definition of what your God is.

 

[Thief]

God's existence is not a question science can answer because it is a philosophical question. Before I can prove your God doesn't exist though, you would have to provide a definition of what your God is.

Let's try.....Almighty.

 

[Thief]

How can a spiritual being have a material Body?

Matter and energy, as well as all other properties of the universe are separate from God's eternal body. Energy as we know it is a product of God's creation, it didn't exist before the universe. Energy, like matter, are subject to physical laws, which are outside of heaven. God, a spiritual being, created matter and energy when He created the universe. They have no spiritual attributes and they never existed before God's creation.

And you would be that item of spirit.....having a material body.

 

[johnhanks]

No, humans are not God's favorite creatures.

Absolutely not. All the evidence tells us he loves beetles most of all.

 

[zaybu]

Here's a news bulletin, God, a spiritual being, created the universe.

It's a blatant assertion with no evidence supporting it.

 

[johnhanks]

I am not obligated to tell you anything about why I know.

Obligated? Perhaps not, but if you make a claim of extraordinary or privileged knowledge, it's not unreasonable for someone to ask you how you know...

Why don't you take care of it mister smart guy.

... and most of us grow out of that kind of reaction around age 10.

Present a natural science explanation for the universe. Remember, proof requires evidence. I am confident no one including the world's greatest scientist can do it. So, before you launch into a tirade about stupid believers, present that argument.

Science's explanation is as yet incomplete; you cannot conclude that as long as it remains so yours must be true by default.

 

[ruffen]

God's existence is not a question science can answer because it is a philosophical question. Before I can prove your God doesn't exist though, you would have to provide a definition of what your God is.

I disagree with you that God's existence is beyond science's capabilities to answer.

As long as religions claim to know how the Universe came into existence, they are on the same turf as cosmologists. When they claim to know how humans came into existence, they are on the same turf as evolutionary biologists. When they clame that miracles have taken place, they are on the same turf as just about every scientist in the world.

Science has progressed so far that it is definitely in the area of answering the big philosophical questions, because "how did the Universe come into existence", or "can stuff happen (miracles) that don't obey the laws of physics" or "is human kind designed by an intelligent creator or has it evolved from other species" are not philosophical questions but questions that science absolutely can answer.

 

[ruffen]

The real story about Satan has never been told. Because we are on the topic of God and creation, I thought I'd tell it. In heaven, Satan began attacking and hurting the other angels. Finally, not finding a solution, God created the universe as a prison for Satan. Inside the universe, Satan has made repeated attempts to escape and return to heaven. Scientist call those scares on the edge of the universe "axis of evil."

For reasons I don't understand, God created paradise about 62 millions years ago. In paradise, dinosaurs where God's magnificent creatures. No, humans are not God's favorite creatures. Satan entered paradise and turned God's creatures against Him. Eons later, homo sapiens became the dominant species on earth. God didn't like one species dominating all others. God intervened (Bible). With his chosen people God attempted to reconcile things with humankind. It didn't work out. Subsequently, we live in a nasty world devoid of eternity. Civilizations are nesting places where we live out our lives.

Are you serious or are you just trolling? And this question is not meant offensive, I honestly don't know.

 

[Repox]

Are you serious or are you just trolling? And this question is not meant offensive, I honestly don't know.

It may sound outrageous, but I believe it to be true.

 

[Repox]

God's existence is not a question science can answer because it is a philosophical question. Before I can prove your God doesn't exist though, you would have to provide a definition of what your God is.

I believe God is the Lord of the Old Testament. Because God is spiritual and devoid of material proof, it becomes a philosophic subject, or, if you will, theological, which is mostly philosophical.

 

[Repox]

It's a blatant assertion with no evidence supporting it.

Where is the evidence for a natural cause explanation?

 

[Repox]

Obligated? Perhaps not, but if you make a claim of extraordinary or privileged knowledge, it's not unreasonable for someone to ask you how you know...

I am not alone. In the Bible the list is very long. How did they know?

... and most of us grow out of that kind of reaction around age 10.

I sometimes react in the context of offensive or irritating comments.

Science's explanation is as yet incomplete; you cannot conclude that as long as it remains so yours must be true by default.

In my opinion, science will never prove a natural cause explanation. It is interesting, whenever a scientist ventures to theorize about a cause, he or she violates basic assumptions of physical laws. How can you explain a cause from nothing when it excludes science as an explanation. Then, there's the big bang. Scientists agree to empirical studies based on radiation fall out, and yet, they have faith in science to explain it. Nothing is what it is, the absence of anything, which excludes science, the inclusion of everything.

In short, it is a draw. Science has no explanation for the big bang and believers have no prove for God, a spiritual being.

 

[Repox]

Spirit is a substance just like anything else. A description of non-material sounds like non-existence. We don't know what exists outside the universe and the easiest assumption is that nothing does. As for the big bang we know nothing about its beginnings or lack of beginnings. Law of conservation says the system as a whole, as in the energy, couldn't have been created which leaves us with a universe that didn't begin per se.

You forgot big bang studies. Apparently, it all happened at a fraction of a second, the beginning of everything. Prior to that event there is no evidence of anything, including the law of conservation.

 

[camanintx]

I disagree with you that God's existence is beyond science's capabilities to answer.

As long as religions claim to know how the Universe came into existence, they are on the same turf as cosmologists. When they claim to know how humans came into existence, they are on the same turf as evolutionary biologists. When they clame that miracles have taken place, they are on the same turf as just about every scientist in the world.

Science has progressed so far that it is definitely in the area of answering the big philosophical questions, because "how did the Universe come into existence", or "can stuff happen (miracles) that don't obey the laws of physics" or "is human kind designed by an intelligent creator or has it evolved from other species" are not philosophical questions but questions that science absolutely can answer.

Science can only answer questions about the natural world, so unless you're claiming that God is a natural being and not super-natural, then science cannot say anything about it. Science, at best, can only deal with the effects of God since they do reside in the natural universe.

 

[camanintx]

Let's try.....Almighty.

Is that what passes for a definition in your world?

 

[johnhanks]

I am not alone. In the Bible the list is very long. How did they know?

According to the bible, god spoke to most of them directly. I think zaybu was asking you if that was your claim. Is it?

In my opinion, science will never prove a natural cause explanation.

We're making progress if you're admitting it's just your opinion.

 

[idav]

You forgot big bang studies. Apparently, it all happened at a fraction of a second, the beginning of everything. Prior to that event there is no evidence of anything, including the law of conservation.

I didn't forget. The most they can calculate is the universe coming from something. So all we can figure is, there was all this energy and power all at a single point that became what we see today. There was still energy and therefore still the law of conservation. All of what we see today didn't just come out of nowhere, it just transformed into what we know as the universe.

 

[Repox]

I didn't forget. The most they can calculate is the universe coming from something. So all we can figure is, there was all this energy and power all at a single point that became what we see today. There was still energy and therefore still the law of conservation. All of what we see today didn't just come out of nowhere, it just transformed into what we know as the universe.

What evidence is there for your hypothesis?

Unless there is evidence, we assume it all began with the big bang.