The birth of the state of Israel and God's promise in the end times

[FearGod]

Was it just a coincidence or a real promise that had occurred according to God's plan?
What do you think?

 

[Godobeyer]

Was it just a coincidence or a real promise that had occurred according to God's plan?
What do you think?

How is reasonable that the birth of state is sign of end of times ?
if it's TRUE , why some Jews run after this promise ,since they knew it's will lead to end this life ?

as I know , Israel built and destructed before thousands of years .

 

[fantome profane]

It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Human beings wrote this "prophecy" and human beings worked to make it happen. It is not a coincidence, and it is not "God's plan". It is a human plan. Conceived of by humans and carried out by humans.

 

[FearGod]

How is reasonable that the birth of state is sign of end of times ?
if it's TRUE , why Jews run after this promiss ,since they knew it's lead to end this life ?

as I know , Israel built and destructed before thousands of years .

The Gospel and the quran mentioned that Israel will be born and the Jews will be gathered in one land
as one nation at the end times, both books were talking about future events and not previous ones.

 

[FearGod]

It is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Human beings wrote this "prophecy" and human beings worked to make it happen. It is not a coincidence, and it is not "God's plan". It is a human plan. Conceived of by humans and carried out by humans.

Do you think it was a coincidence that humans were able to make it to happen ? or it's easy and simple
to create the state of Israel at the times were the Muslim world were superior and the Jews were weak.

 

[fantome profane]

Do you think it was a coincidence that humans were able to make it to happen ? or it's easy and simple
to create the state of Israel at the times were the Muslim world were superior and the Jews were weak.

I didn't say it was easy. But human beings were able to make it happen. Not a coincidence, and not "God's plan". Humans were able to make it happen and humans made it happen.

 

[Godobeyer]

The Gospel and the quran mentioned that Israel will be born and the Jews will be gathered in one land
as one nation at the end times, both books were talking about future events and not previous ones.

Sorry for my ignorance ,Where God in Quran said they will gathered in one land at the end of times ?

for you opinion :
Why some Jews insist to gather in Palestine , inspite they knew that will cause end of this life.

and inspite they don't believe in after life ?

 

[Unification]

Was it just a coincidence or a real promise that had occurred according to God's plan?
What do you think?

Is-ra-Elohim represents the birth of a new mind and the end of the old mind. Female and male principles of mind becoming one and whole.

 

[FearGod]

I didn't say it was easy. But human beings were able to make it happen.

So you may say it's a coincidence that humans were able to make it to happen but not necessarily a God's plan.

 

[Tumah]

G-d is the Controller of everything. Everything that happens, happens according to His plan.
When Israel was not controlled by Jews, that was His plan.
Now that Israel is controlled by Jews, that is His plan too.

 

[Jumi]

So you may say it's a coincidence that humans were able to make it to happen but not necessarily a God's plan.

Humans doing things is not a coincidence. Some Christians want prophecy fulfilled, some Jews want a homeland where they aren't treated on whim by Christian or Muslim and the result is the country is back.

 

[Aquitaine]

Was it just a coincidence or a real promise that had occurred according to God's plan?
What do you think?

It's a country, just like any other. It has some historical significance in mythology, but that's about it.

 

[FearGod]

Sorry for my ignorance ,Where God in Quran said they will gathered in one land at the end of times ?

for you opinion :
Why some Jews insist to gather in Palestine , inspite they knew that will cause end of this life.

and inspite they don't believe in after life ?

The birth of Israel and the 2nd coming of Jesus is the sign for the end times.

"And we decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture, that indeed you would do mischief on the earth twice and you will become tyrants and extremely arrogant! So, when the promise came for the first of the two, We sent against you slaves of Ours given to terrible warfare. They entered the very innermost parts of your homes. And it was a promise (completely) fulfilled. Then We gave you once again, a return of victory over them. And We helped you with wealth and children and made you more numerous in manpower. (And We said): 'If you do well, you do good for your ownselves, and if you do evil (you do it) against yourselves'. Then, when the second promise came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to make your faces sorrowful and to enter the mosque (of Jerusalem) as they had entered it before, and to destroy with utter destruction all that fell in their hands. [And We Said in the Taurat (Torah)]: 'It may be that your Lord may show mercy unto you, but if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our Punishment). And We have made Hell a prison for the disbelievers" [Qur'an 17:4-8].

 

[FearGod]

It's a country, just like any other. It has some historical significance in mythology, but that's about it.

Do you mean it's a coincidence that Israel became a country and not because of God's promise ?

 

[Tumah]

The birth of Israel and the 2nd coming of Jesus is the sign for the end times.

"And we decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture, that indeed you would do mischief on the earth twice and you will become tyrants and extremely arrogant! So, when the promise came for the first of the two, We sent against you slaves of Ours given to terrible warfare. They entered the very innermost parts of your homes. And it was a promise (completely) fulfilled. Then We gave you once again, a return of victory over them. And We helped you with wealth and children and made you more numerous in manpower. (And We said): 'If you do well, you do good for your ownselves, and if you do evil (you do it) against yourselves'. Then, when the second promise came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to make your faces sorrowful and to enter the mosque (of Jerusalem) as they had entered it before, and to destroy with utter destruction all that fell in their hands. [And We Said in the Taurat (Torah)]: 'It may be that your Lord may show mercy unto you, but if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our Punishment). And We have made Hell a prison for the disbelievers" [Qur'an 17:4-8].

This looks to me as though it is referring to the First and Second Temple, not an end time prophecy.

 

[FearGod]

Humans doing things is not a coincidence. Some Christians want prophecy fulfilled, some Jews want a homeland where they aren't treated on whim by Christian or Muslim and the result is the country is back.

Like saying the red Indians can one day be back and have their country in the US, very easy indeed.

 

[FearGod]

This looks to me as though it is referring to the First and Second Temple, not an end time prophecy.

No it was speaking about future events which have to come.

 

[Tumah]

No it was speaking about future events which have to come.

Its written in past tense.

The birth of Israel and the 2nd coming of Jesus is the sign for the end times.

"And we decreed for the Children of Israel in the Scripture, that indeed you would do mischief on the earth twice and you will become tyrants and extremely arrogant! So, when the promise came for the first of the two, We sent against you slaves of Ours given to terrible warfare. They entered the very innermost parts of your homes. And it was a promise (completely) fulfilled. Then We gave you once again, a return of victory over them. And We helped you with wealth and children and made you more numerous in manpower. (And We said): 'If you do well, you do good for your ownselves, and if you do evil (you do it) against yourselves'. Then, when the second promise came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to make your faces sorrowful and to enter the mosque (of Jerusalem) as they had entered it before, and to destroy with utter destruction all that fell in their hands. [And We Said in the Taurat (Torah)]: 'It may be that your Lord may show mercy unto you, but if you return (to sins), We shall return (to Our Punishment). And We have made Hell a prison for the disbelievers" [Qur'an 17:4-8].

 

[Jumi]

Like saying the red Indians can one day be back and have their country in the US, very easy indeed.

Which of the great world powers would support it?

 

[Aquitaine]

Do you mean it's a coincidence that Israel became a country and not because of God's promise ?

Absolutely.
I'm not religious, so I don't feel a need to add any mythical fantasies to what is essentially just a country.