The Challenge in the Qur'an

[Tiapan]

About the Challenge
http://www.theinimitablequran.com/uniquelitform.pdf
The Challenge of the Quran - English (some other related links at bottom)

Generally, for the challenge to be valid at a guess, it must be in Arabic (as the Qur'an is in Arabic), it must have a similar feel and rhyme to it, and it must be by one author, unchanged, and to talk about similar topics. Some people say something about.. 19, I think, though I don't know much about this (the claim that numbers throughout the Qur'an are multiples of 19 or something? I forget).

www.suralikeit.com
A website where people post their surah's like the Qur'an (though, who judges them?). I believe that possibly an atheist or a non-Muslim who has studied the Qur'an and has knowledge of classical Arabic would be able to judge it.

I tried www.suralikeit.com

I can see a dozen or so Surats? in arabic. Is there an english translation for each of these?
How do you submit a Surat to this site?

 

[YmirGF]

I am still waiting for my camel.....

*charges up on a smelly and slightly winded camel*
*Jumps down and hands the reigns to Tiapan*

"Your steed, sire. Go get 'em."
:bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:

 

[Breathe]

I tried www.suralikeit.com

I can see a dozen or so Surats? in arabic. Is there an english translation for each of these?
How do you submit a Surat to this site?

Click on one of them, and some of the bottom ones have a link at the bottom that says "translation", and comes in transliterated Arabic and English

 

[YmirGF]

Click on one of them, and some of the bottom ones have a link at the bottom that says "translation", and comes in transliterated Arabic and English

Some of the translations are pretty lame too.

 

[Breathe]

Some of the translations are pretty lame too.

Probably why Muslims say it fails.

 

[England my lionheart]

Response: Well, you've found the verse in the qur'an that explains how Muhammad(pbuh) was victorious in work. Frubals for doing your homework. But don't break up the argument. I specifically mentioned what the miracle was, which is not what you've just stated regarding Henry V. For Henry V did not create his own man made religion and use it to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation. I never said a nation can't conquer a nation or an army can't conquer a larger one. I specifically said that it's humanly impossible to create your own religion and use it to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation. That is the criteria. Henry V did know such thing.

How about Jeanne D'ARC aka Joan of Arc

 

[kai]

How about Jeanne D'ARC aka Joan of Arc

No she was french! they dont count

 

[Fatihah]

How about Jeanne D'ARC aka Joan of Arc

Response: They didn't do so either.

 

[England my lionheart]

She recieved revelations from God and motivated France to defeat the English

 

[kai]

She recieved revelations from God and motivated France to defeat the English

now that was a miracle!

 

[Fatihah]

She recieved revelations from God and motivated France to defeat the English

Response: But she was already a leader and ruler of her own nation so it's not the same. Surely, a nation or empire of a nation can succeed in conquering another. The US, as we speak, can destroy some of the many small nations in the name of religion if they wanted. But that's not miraculous and is not an answer to the challenge. The specific requirement stipulated in the challenge is for a person(s) to create a religion and use it to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation. Joan of arc did not come to power and become a leader of her own nation this way. She also did not use her made up religion to defeat anyone, but used her already established authority over her own nation to defeat an army of another nation as well as claiming revelation from God. Muhammad(pbuh) was not a leader of any nation when he conquered Arabia. That's the miracle.

Also, perhaps you and I have a different definition of "conquer". By "conquer", I mean that you take over the defeated land and rule it yourself. She was victorious in battle, but she did not conquer any land. These are the differences.

 

[kai]

Response: But she was already a leader and ruler of her own nation so it's not the same. NO she wasnt Surely, a nation or empire of a nation can succeed in conquering another. The US, as we speak, can destroy some of the many small nations in the name of religion if they wanted. But that's not miraculous and is not an answer to the challenge. The specific requirement stipulated in the challenge is for a person(s) to create a religion and use it to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation. Joan of arc did not come to power and become a leader of her own nation this way. She also did not use her made up religion to defeat anyone, but used her already established authority over her own nation to defeat an army of another nation as well as claiming revelation from God. Muhammad(pbuh) was not a leader of any nation when he conquered Arabia. That's the miracle.
Mohammed (pbuh) did not make up his own religion either

Also, perhaps you and I have a different definition of "conquer". By "conquer", I mean that you take over the defeated land and rule it yourself. She was victorious in battle, but she did not conquer any land. These are the differences.

So lets recap the prophet did not make up a new religion. did not conquer a nation ( if so which one)

 

[Fatihah]

So lets recap the prophet did not make up a new religion. did not conquer a nation ( if so which one)

Response: True. Muhammad didn't make up a religion. I agree. So we have one myth put to the side. So based on your own words, his religion is from Allah. Takbir!!

 

[kai]

Response: True. Muhammad didn't make up a religion. I agree. So we have one myth put to the side. So based on your own words, his religion is from Allah. Takbir!!

well i didnt say that did i according to Muslim thought Islam was always there .these are your conditions by the way.and i quote " The specific requirement stipulated in the challenge is for a person(s) to create a religion and use it to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation.

So far you are one down.

now what nation did the prophet conquer and rule?

 

[Fatihah]

well i didnt say that did i according to Muslim thought Islam was always there .these are your conditions by the way. So far you are one down.

now what nation did the prophet conquer and rule?

Response: And according to your thoughts, Muhammad(pbuh) did not make his own religion. So based on your own testament, why the hesitation in reciting the shahada?

 

[kai]

Response: And according to your thoughts, Muhammad(pbuh) did not make his own religion. So based on your own testament, why the hesitation in reciting the shahada?

oh Fatihah i know you have been awarded the MOV, but my comment was based on Islam. The Prophet did not make up a religion so the prophet does not stand up to your requirements of the challenge.

 

[Fatihah]

oh Fatihah i know you have been awarded the MOV, but my comment was based on Islam. The Prophet did not make up a religion so the prophet does not stand up to your requirements of the challenge.

Response: Right. Muhammad(pbuh) did not make up a religion, as you say. So all that's left is for you to humble yourself and say the shahada. No need to continue to live in denial when you've confessed the truth.

 

[kai]

Response: Right. Muhammad(pbuh) did not make up a religion, as you say. So all that's left is for you to humble yourself and say the shahada. No need to continue to live in denial when you've confessed the truth.

I could not possibly follow a man who would ask me to do something he couldnt do himself.

Answer the question---s

 

[Tiapan]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiapan
I am still waiting for my camel.....

*charges up on a smelly and slightly winded camel*
*Jumps down and hands the reigns to Tiapan*

"Your steed, sire. Go get 'em."
:bow::bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:

Gees thanks a lot, YmirGF

Shes a beaut, Mate

Must be one of those new religious ones, the ones you cannot see, but everyone tells you its there.
Cant tell which end to get on, being invisible. But I have faith, I believe its really there....
....somewhere.

Cheers

 

[Fatihah]

I could not possibly follow a man who would ask me to do something he couldnt do himself.

Answer the question---s

Response: Exactly Kai. Muhammad didn't do it himself. Your proving my point. So based on the words here and your own words in I quoted in post 813, you've just confessed to the true prophethood of Muhammad. So why resist to taking the shahada? To win a debate? Well, if that's your choice, I can't stop you.