The Challenge in the Qur'an

[Tiapan]

This thread is one I have been contemplating for some time and I am curious about this challenge on a number of levels. I will state flat out that I don’t consider it to be a realistic challenge, but will outline my case as things get going as to why that is. Fatihah has mentioned this challenge on several occasions now and I thought that rather than derail yet another thread with a side discussion that perhaps we could all chat about this challenge here in some depth. I would really like Muslims to participate and give their thoughts. For a change, I won’t just dump all over Islam at the first chance and will try to put my thinking into a cogent thoughtful manner. I would hope that others will try to do the same.

The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali translation), 2 - The Cow​

22. Who has made the earth your couch, .......

If the quest is to write a verse that equals the art of the Quran as surah's(?)

May I submit my humble rantings to this challenge.
As a nonbeliever, I hope the essence of these inspiring powerful words are not lost on those of rigid faith, but absorbed and appreciated.

Here is my first entry to the challenge. You will have to translate it from Oztralian Strine to Arabic.
I hope the subtle nuances are not lost in the process.

I understand to win the competition the judges have decided I must take over a Nation,
so I have chosen Hut River Province for that part of the challenge.

Verse 1

Each life is like a ribbon in the wind with a start and a tail.
That which is written on each thread is precious.
For some it ends too soon, while others use smaller writing.

Verse 2
Paradise is the legacy you leave your children, when you finally join the field of ribbons waving like wheat in the wind.

Verse 3
After 40 days alone in the desert wilderness of arid Central Australia, Mulga Bill was on top of Ayers Rock meditating about the Rainbow Serpent,
some bruddas were burning the bushes. Suddenly the sun was blotted out by a huge beautiful Lubra standing over him.
Saying

"You white fellas come here and leave you're cigarette butts and and stubbies lying all about,
so go back and tell 'em to stop littering, or I'll come down and sit on 'em."

"No probs" he said, sincerely "I'll let 'em know to clean up their act. I promise."

She smiled, then bent down and whispered these pearls of wisdom in his ear.

Verse 4
If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife.
And so man made the Birqa,
also an excellent alternative to sun screen.

Verse 5
Now to get on with all of your bruddas, just follow these simple rulz:
Party with your bruddas as you would have them party with you.
Respect your elders, they have wisdom you have yet to find.
Respect your children, they are your future.
Respect your land, it feeds and nurtures you.
Read as many message sticks as you can, they will broaden your knowledge and wisdom.
Do not be led astray by the evil false prophets, based on only one message stick.
I know this to be true because I am alive and they are all dead.
Do not fear death, you will have eternal life through your children.
The universe is a beautiful place, admire and enjoy it.
Take charge of your life. Think for yourself.
Eat Kangaroo, fish and veggies - Lubra's food for long life."

This is all truth, so it is perfect as only truth can be perfect,
and therefore it must qualify.
QED.

now where do I email it

Islam.com - Home ?

PS Do I win a prize?
A brand new low mileage camel perhaps?

Cheers

 

[Zindagee Rahmaan]

Despite you all lengthy statement, I just want to show, your statement has no forever hopes as you explain:

"The environment perceived directly after physical death is unique in that it conforms itself to the expectations of the beholder. Fortunately, this period does not last forever. You don't have to take my word for it, just wait and see."

And here Quran explains:

25: 16. "For them there will be therein all that they wish for: they will dwell (there) for aye: a promise to be prayed for from thy Lord."


Your point of view has no hopes and Quran gives everlasting hopes, if you are just comparing views Mr. Paul!

You said, “You don't have to take my word for it, just wait and see”
Quran gives words on it, “a promise to be prayed for from thy Lord”

JUST WAIT AND SEE.

I hope now you are able to get my challenge. I was thinking you are enough intelligent that I don’t need to explain you too much statements like you always comes with a lot of paragraphing, yet nothing in…

[/font][/color]Zingy, why on Earth would you do such a thing? I have no wish for you to give up your faith.

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*sigh* Thanks God has saved me.

[/font][/color]LOL. What you don't realize is that I don't want and am not looking for "followers". Even if you wanted to "follow" me and begged me to accept you I would gently, but firmly, turn you away.[/font][/color]

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Oh, even my shoe will not beg to you!

IT is amazing that you think that this poorly rendered collection of words reflects Paradise FULLY. You don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about and yet you claim that you will give up your cherished religion if someone can produce a statement that REFLECTS YOUR UNDERSTANDING better. Like the so-called "challenge", is this supposed to be reasonable?

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You are taking it reasonable because you have no hopes in forever life, much pity on your just death or just a dust in grave.

. In return, I challenge you to PROVE me wrong.

You said, “IN MY POINT OF VIEW”….
You said, “MY EXPERIENCE”

No provable source you have to follow, how to disprove a person who is self follower?

 

[McBell]

No provable source you have to follow,

and here we see the kettle calling the pot black

 

[Fatihah]

If the quest is to write a verse that equals the art of the Quran as surah's(?)

May I submit my humble rantings to this challenge. As a nonbeliever, I hope the essence of these inspiring powerful words are not lost on those of rigid faith, but absorbed and appreciated.

Here is my first entry to the challenge. You will have to translate it from Oztralian Strine to Arabic. I hope the subtle nuances are not lost in the process. I understand to win the competition the judges have decided I must take over a Nation, so I have chosen Hut River Province for that part of the challenge.

Verse 1

Each life is like a ribbon in the wind with a start and a tail. That which is written on each thread is precious. For some it ends too soon, while others use smaller writing.

Verse 2
Paradise is the legacy you leave your children, when you finally join the field of ribbons waving like wheat in the wind.

Verse 3
After 40 days alone in the desert wilderness of arid Central Australia. Mulga Bill was on top of Ayers Rock meditating about the Rainbow Serpent, some bruddas were burning the bushes. Suddenly the sun was blotted out by a huge beautiful Lubra standing over him. Saying

"You white fellas come here and leave you're cigarette butts and and stubbies lying all about, so go back and tell 'em to stop littering, or I'll come down and sit on 'em."

"No probs" he said, sincerely "I'll let 'em know to clean up their act. I promise."

She smiled, then bent down and whispered these pearls of wisdom in his ear.

Verse 3
If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife. And so man made the Birqa, also an excellent alternative to sun screen.

Verse 4
To get on with all of your bruddas, just follow these simple rulz:
Party with your bruddas as you would have them party with you.
Respect your elders, they have wisdom you have yet to find.
Respect your children, they are your future.
Respect your land, it feeds and nurtures you.
Read as many message sticks as you can, they will broaden your knowledge and wisdom.
Do not be led astray by the evil false prophets, based on only one message stick.
I know this to be true because I am alive and they are all dead.
Do not fear death, you will have eternal life through your children.
The universe is a beautiful place, admire and enjoy it.
Take charge of your life. Think for yourself.
Eat Kangaroo, fish and veggies - Lubra's food for long life."

This is all truth, so it is perfect as only truth can be perfect and therefore it must qualify.
QED.

now where do I email it

Islam.com - Home

PS Do I win a prize? A brand new low mileage camel perhaps?

Cheers

Response: I commend you. I commend you for being the first to actually produce your own scripture. If I could send you all of my frubals or something else I would. But this is just the first step.

Now here is step 2. You take your scripture and go out into the world and tell everyone that you are a prophet from God and that he has revealed this scripture to you. If you yourself do this, and can use this scripture to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation and accept you as their prophet of that nation, I will throw away my kufi and denounce islam immediately. Now to you, this may just be a joke. I sincerely hope it's not and that you actually want to know the truth. If you do, then proceed with step 2. And again, if you succeed, I will denounce islam as a true religion and propogate it as such. That is my promise.

 

[Princess Of Peace]

Response: I commend you. I commend you for being the first to actually produce your own scripture. If I could send you all of my frubals or something else I would. But this is just the first step.

Now here is step 2. You take your scripture and go out into the world and tell everyone that you are a prophet from God and that he has revealed this scripture to you. If you yourself do this, and can use this scripture to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation and accept you as their prophet of that nation, I will throw away my kufi and denounce islam immediately. Now to you, this may just be a joke. I sincerely hope it's not and that you actually want to know the truth. If you do, then proceed with step 2. And again, if you succeed, I will denounce islam as a true religion and propogate it as such. That is my promise.

Why is the conquering of a nation part such an important prerequisite? Where in the Quran does it mention conquering a nation as a condition? Even if Tiapan were to accomplish this, why would you denounce your religion for a reason as silly as that?

 

[Fatihah]

Why is the conquering of a nation part such an important prerequisite? Where in the Quran does it mention conquering a nation as a condition? Even if Tiapan were to accomplish this, why would you denounce your religion for a reason as silly as that?

Response: Because the conquest of Muhammad(pbuh) is within itself a miracle.

 

[McBell]

Now here is step 2. You take your scripture and go out into the world and tell everyone that you are a prophet from God and that he has revealed this scripture to you. If you yourself do this, and can use this scripture to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation and accept you as their prophet of that nation, I will throw away my kufi and denounce islam immediately. Now to you, this may just be a joke. I sincerely hope it's not and that you actually want to know the truth. If you do, then proceed with step 2. And again, if you succeed, I will denounce islam as a true religion and propogate it as such. That is my promise.

Added condition 1: Telling everyone you are a prophet of God.
Funny, I do not ecall Allah making this particular stipulation in the challenge HE issued...

Added condition 2: Inspiring others to conquer a notion.
Please present where in the challenge issued from Allah himself this condition is specified.


Your promise is just as empty as the challenge and all your added conditions.

 

[McBell]

Response: Because the conquest of Muhammad(pbuh) is within itself a miracle.

And Muslims try to convince the world that conquering is a sign of peace...

 

[Princess Of Peace]

Response: Because the conquest of Muhammad(pbuh) is within itself a miracle.

Many have inspired people and conquered nations. What Muhammed achieved is no more a miracle than what Genghis Khan achieved.

 

[England my lionheart]

Or Alexander the Great

 

[Fatihah]

Added condition 1: Telling everyone you are a prophet of God.
Funny, I do not ecall Allah making this particular stipulation in the challenge HE issued...

Added condition 2: Inspiring others to conquer a notion.
Please present where in the challenge issued from Allah himself this condition is specified.


Your promise is just as empty as the challenge and all your added conditions.

Response: There's no need to further explain a challenge to truth you've already confessed your denial to.

 

[McBell]

Response: There's no need to further explain a challenge to truth you've already confessed your denial to.

I see.
So you are basically saying that you refuse to present where these extra conditions you have taken upon yourself to add to the challenge issued by Allah came from?

Do you not have confidence enough in your gods challenge to let it stand on its own?
Why do you feel the need to pull further conditions out of your backside?

Allah must be proud.

 

[Fatihah]

Many have inspired people and conquered nations. What Muhammed achieved is no more a miracle than what Genghis Khan achieved.

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?

 

[Fatihah]

I see.
So you are basically saying that you refuse to present where these extra conditions you have taken upon yourself to add to the challenge issued by Allah came from?

Do you not have confidence enough in your gods challenge to let it stand on its own?
Why do you feel the need to pull further conditions out of your backside?

Allah must be proud.

Response: Yes, he is very proud.

 

[England my lionheart]

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?

The Mongol Empire

 

[Princess Of Peace]

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?

Proof for what? That Genghis Khan was a conqueror?
You're the one making claims about what Muhammed achieved being a miracle. Why don't you go ahead and prove that?

 

[McBell]

Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?

More denial.

At least you are consistent with it.

 

[McBell]

Proof for what? That Genghis Khan was a conqueror?
You're the one making claims about what Muhammed achieved being a miracle. Why don't you go ahead and prove that?

You must have missed it earlier, though it may have been in another thread...

See, Fatihah thinks that his merely making a statement proves his statement is a fact unless someone else can prove his statement false.
Now keep in mind he also ignores everything that shows he is full of crap.
All you have to do is look for his infamous words of denial: "There's the statement. Where's the proof?"

I know that that is nothing more than a denial tactic, but he lives by it.

 

[Fatihah]

Proof for what? That Genghis Khan was a conqueror?
You're the one making claims about what Muhammed achieved being a miracle. Why don't you go ahead and prove that?

Response: I have proved it. A miracle is something which is humanly impossible. The only way to show something to be humanly impossible is by showing that that their is no logical evidence that it is possible. And since no one can show that it is possible or prove it to be possibly logically, than it is impossible.

 

[McBell]

Response: I have proved it.

No you haven't.
But then you go right on lieing to yourself and denying the truth.

A miracle is something which is humanly impossible. The only way to show something to be humanly impossible is by showing that that their is no logical evidence that it is possible. And since no one can show that it is possible or prove it to be possibly logically, than it is impossible.

Where did you get this nonsense from?
Nevermind, I know it came from the same place as your added conditions to Allahs challenge.