The Challenge in the Qur'an

[kai]

Response: Proof that you've succeeded in overcoming the challenge, as you have said.

I have succeed by my own standards, and judging it myself.

I say only a non believer can judge it, because as a believer you are not allowed to accept anything other than your final revelation. tell me am i wrong?

 

[Breathe]

73 pages, and I don't think we've actually gone... anywhere.

 

[Zhakir]

I have succeed by my own standards, and judging it myself.

I say only a non believer can judge it, because as a believer you are not allowed to accept anything other than your final revelation. tell me am i wrong?

Yes you are.
The judgement standerds is not one's beliefes, it's the Quran,only by Quran we can know whether your claimed books are like the Quran or not.
you haven't brought any thing eqaul to Quran :no:.
Davycroket2003:Book of mormon (claims that the indigenous americans came to America in 600 B.C which is an error, not God's :no
Riverwolf:A hindu scripture ( it is surely not equal to the Quran,the vedas claims that the heavens have got pillars,not to forget that the hindu scriptures speak about Muhammad (pbuh) as a final prophet.
England my lionheart:the so called "true furqan"( which was made by two Arab christians only speaking against Islamic ideas and contains christian ideas)
Many Members: suralikeit.com,they have nothing to argue about,they just know the site's name, they only put it because it's in Arabic.
2:23-24 of the Noble Quran says
And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like there unto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.

 

[YmirGF]

73 pages, and I don't think we've actually gone... anywhere.

and this is surprising because?

 

[Breathe]

and this is surprising because?

It isn't. That's what's quite saddening. :-/

 

[England my lionheart]

Yes you are.
The judgement standerds is not one's beliefes, it's the Quran,only by Quran we can know whether your claimed books are like the Quran or not.
you haven't brought any thing eqaul to Quran :no:.
Davycroket2003:Book of mormon (claims that the indigenous americans came to America in 600 B.C which is an error, not God's :no
Riverwolf:A hindu scripture ( it is surely not equal to the Quran,the vedas claims that the heavens have got pillars,not to forget that the hindu scriptures speak about Muhammad (pbuh) as a final prophet.
England my lionheart:the so called "true furqan"( which was made by two Arab christians only speaking against Islamic ideas and contains christian ideas)
Many Members: suralikeit.com,they have nothing to argue about,they just know the site's name, they only put it because it's in Arabic.
2:23-24 of the Noble Quran says
And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like there unto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.

Actually i never said the True Furqan was like it,if you check i offered it to see what the elusive criteria and judge were but as we have seen there isn't any criteria or judge,for you the Quran cannot be judged end of story.
However as non believers we can judge it and compare it to other books and one of my favourite books is the Bugatti Veyron manual,because it tells you the veyron can do 0-60 in 2.7 seconds and the Veyrons manual book is proven to be true.

 

[Fatihah]

I have succeed by my own standards, and judging it myself.

I say only a non believer can judge it, because as a believer you are not allowed to accept anything other than your final revelation. tell me am i wrong?

Response: And of what standard did you accomplish the challenge? Also, another very simple question which can easily be answered with a yes or no:

Have you created a religion and used it's teachings to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation? Yes or no? A very simple question.

 

[YmirGF]

and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.

Ahh, Islam.

Such cheery thinking.

Considering the fact that over the years I have had a number of Christians tell me I am going to burn in Hell and add to this the many Muslims who said I was dooming myself to an eternity in the Hellfire, such admonitions for taking an unrealistic "challenge" really don't have much of an effect on me.

I think my favorite though was one Muslim who said I was Satan --- not influenced by Satan, but Satan himself. I am rather proud of that actually.

 

[Zhakir]

Ahh, Islam.

Such cheery thinking.

Considering the fact that over the years I have had a number of Christians tell me I am going to burn in Hell and add to this the many Muslims who said I was dooming myself to an eternity in the Hellfire, such admonitions for taking an unrealistic "challenge" really don't have much of an effect on me.

I think my favorite though was one Muslim who said I was Satan --- not influenced by Satan, but Satan himself. I am rather proud of that actually.

We shall know how proud will you be :yes:
Noble Quran 39:39-40
Say: "O my People! Do whatever ye can: I will do (my part): but soon will ye know-"Who it is to whom comes a Penalty of ignominy, and on whom descends a Penalty that abides."

 

[YmirGF]

Say: "O my People! Do whatever ye can: I will do (my part): but soon will ye know-"Who it is to whom comes a Penalty of ignominy, and on whom descends a Penalty that abides."

Thanks again for the incredibly cheery thinking, Zhak.

 

[Zhakir]

Thanks again for the incredibly cheery thinking, Zhak.

It's nothing like that :no:.
21:39-40
If only the Unbelievers knew the time when they will not be able to ward off the fire from their faces, nor yet from their backs, and when no help can reach them!Nay, it may come to them all of a sudden and confound them: no power will they have then to avert it, nor will they then get respite.
46:35
And be in no haste about the Unbelievers.

 

[McBell]

Response: Proof that you've succeeded in overcoming the challenge, as you have said.

He has proven it.
It is nothing but your denial that keeps you from seeing/admitting it.

Ok, after some thought I admit that your scared for your soul as well.

 

[YmirGF]

It's nothing like that :no:.
21:39-40
If only the Unbelievers knew the time when they will not be able to ward off the fire from their faces, nor yet from their backs, and when no help can reach them!Nay, it may come to them all of a sudden and confound them: no power will they have then to avert it, nor will they then get respite.
46:35
And be in no haste about the Unbelievers.

Again, thanks for the pithy thoughts. It sounds so Borg-like, "Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."

 

[McBell]

Again, thanks for the pithy thoughts. It sounds so Borg-like, "Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated."

You forgot the free will part...
You know, the part where you roast in hell for all eternity for not choosing to be assimilated...

 

[YmirGF]

You forgot the free will part...
You know, the part where you roast in hell for all eternity for not choosing to be assimilated...

Well, one is assimilated into the ranks of the damned. What I mean is that it is more the tone of many passages of the Qur'an that are almost Borg-like. (Work with it a bit and you might get my meaning, lol.)

 

[kai]

Yes you are.
The judgement standerds is not one's beliefes, it's the Quran,only by Quran we can know whether your claimed books are like the Quran or not.
you haven't brought any thing eqaul to Quran :no:.
Davycroket2003:Book of mormon (claims that the indigenous americans came to America in 600 B.C which is an error, not God's :no
Riverwolf:A hindu scripture ( it is surely not equal to the Quran,the vedas claims that the heavens have got pillars,not to forget that the hindu scriptures speak about Muhammad (pbuh) as a final prophet.
England my lionheart:the so called "true furqan"( which was made by two Arab christians only speaking against Islamic ideas and contains christian ideas)
Many Members: suralikeit.com,they have nothing to argue about,they just know the site's name, they only put it because it's in Arabic.
2:23-24 of the Noble Quran says
And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like there unto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.

I see a statement wheres the proof?

 

[kai]

Response: And of what standard did you accomplish the challenge? Also, another very simple question which can easily be answered with a yes or no:



Have you created a religion and used it's teachings to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation? Yes or no? A very simple question.

A true Muslim will never doubt the Quran. they will never question its perfection in language or content. When an infidel asks (would a Muslim dare to ask ?) Muslims questions like: do you believe the Quran is a miracle? The answer will certainly be ‘yes’ and they will claim honesty in describing their real feelings.


I claim honesty in my feelings too, and thats my standard.



I didnt create the scriptures they were already here, and the answer is yes many times over.

 

[kai]

73 pages, and I don't think we've actually gone... anywhere.

actually, its told me quite a lot about the way Muslims think. well worth it :yes:

 

[YmirGF]

actually, its told me quite a lot about the way Muslims think. well worth it :yes:

Seriously? You didn't know this would turn out as it did? I think you're telling porkies. :yes:

 

[kai]

Seriously? You didn't know this would turn out as it did? I think you're telling porkies. :yes:

I had my suspicions! but even though the topic was hit by the vortex, it gave me some valuable insights into how the Vortex is produced and sustained and i dont dig on swine.