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The City of Enoch

MJFlores

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The gospel of John was written by others, who had taken certain excerpts from his memoirs. John 21: 23-25;

John 21:23-25 New International Version (NIV)
Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”

This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.

Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
John 21:23-25 New International Version (NIV)
Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”

This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.

Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

WE KNOW THAT HIS TESTIMONY IS TRUE. The 'WE,' are the unknown authors of the Gospel of John which was taken from his memoirs.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
This is the deal about canons of the Bible.

With regard to Old Testament Books, if the Jews are using it - its canon.
If the Jews are not using it - its fraud.

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These people would know if it is an insertion or not
Because they have been keeping the OT books since Moses time to the present time.

With regards to Constantine the Great
Who was pagan by the way:
Born: 27 February 272 AD, Niš, Serbia
Died: 22 May 337 AD, Nicomedia

Constantine was the first Roman emperor to convert to Christianity. Although he lived much of his life as a pagan, and later as a catechumen, he joined the Christian faith on his deathbed....
Constantine the Great - Wikipedia

He definitely have no say and no right to tamper the OT Bible.
How would people believe in a person who has been pagan all his life on Christian matters?

Further the Lord Jesus never read this Book of Jubilees or other works unclean.

Accepting unclean doctrines is like eating from the floor.
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When its dirty...you know what it does.

MJFlores wrote...…… Accepting unclean doctrines is like eating from the floor.

The Anointed...……. So you consider that Luke, who quoted from a book outside the canon of the Jews and the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, was sucking his spiritual food off the floor, do you?.

Would you consider the books of Enoch to be unclean works also?
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
WE KNOW THAT HIS TESTIMONY IS TRUE. The 'WE,' are the unknown authors of the Gospel of John which was taken from his memoirs.

They know.
He testifies and wrote them down.

You supplied the verse, just showing.

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John 21:20-24 Good News Translation (GNT)
Peter turned around and saw behind him that other disciple, whom Jesus loved—the one who had leaned close to Jesus at the meal and had asked, “Lord, who is going to betray you?” When Peter saw him, he asked Jesus, “Lord, what about this man?”

Jesus answered him, “If I want him to live until I come, what is that to you? Follow me!”

So a report spread among the followers of Jesus that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say he would not die; he said, “If I want him to live until I come, what is that to you?”

He is the disciple who spoke of these things, the one who also wrote them down; and we know that what he said is true.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
MJFlores wrote...…… Accepting unclean doctrines is like eating from the floor.

The Anointed...……. So you consider that Luke, who quoted from a book outside the canon of the Jews and the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, was sucking his spiritual food off the floor, do you?.

Would you consider the books of Enoch to be unclean works also?

Even the Catholic Church do not recognize that as canon.

Books of the Latin Vulgate - Wikipedia

Book of Enoch, Book of Thomas Thaddeus, Book of Judas Iscariot - are all spurious, doubtful, apocrypha and should not be considered word of God.
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Even the Catholic Church do not recognize that as canon.

Books of the Latin Vulgate - Wikipedia

Book of Enoch, Book of Thomas Thaddeus, Book of Judas Iscariot - are all spurious, doubtful, apocrypha and should not be considered word of God.

Before we get onto the books of righteous Enoch, in 2 Peter 3: 8, Peter says; “But do not ignore this one fact beloved, with the Lord, one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Now from where did Peter receive this information? You will not find any reference to it in the Hebrew canon, or in the Roman canon, it is only Peter who makes reference to this fact.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.

According to your way of thinking, it looks like Peter is laying on the floor beside Luke licking up unclean spiritual food from the cracks in the floor-boards.

Peter goes on to say in verse 10; “But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. On that day the heavens will disappear with a shrill noise, the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and all the works that are upon it will burned up and vanish.

Now from where do you think Peter received the teaching that this universe will burn up and vanish? You wont find in the Jewish or Roman canons, but you will find it in the book of Enoch, who was carried to the end of this cycle of universal activity, where he witnessed the heavens and earth burn up and fall as massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height and depth into ‘The Great Abyss’ or Black Hole, which Enoch describes as the prison of all the stars and the hosts of heaven.

How did the apostles know that the sons of God , who had abandoned their own original habitat and defiled themselves with the daughters of Man, were chained and cast into the darkness in the bowels of the earth, where they were to be imprisoned until the day of their consummation?

You wont find it in the Jewish or Roman canons, but you will find it in the books of Enoch, from which Jude, the brother of Jesus, quotes verbatim.

The Books of Enoch were cherished by the early Christians up until the fourth century, when under the ban of dogmatic authorities of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, such as Hilary, Jerome and Augustus, they finally passed out of circulation and were thought lost for Millennia.

Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.

Hebrews 11: 5; "By faith Enoch was Translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.

Enoch, the most important man in the OT and the NT, and yet he has been rejected by both the Jewish church and the Roman church of Emperor Constantine. The stone that the builders rejected, has turned out to be the most important stone of all.

But why waste my valuable time Painting pictures for blind people? You say that the words of Righteous Enoch, should not be considered, 'Word of God.' Moses did.
 
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The Anointed

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Continued from post #88.

Crucifixion was a rite in the mysteries of many countries and especially those of Egypt, See ‘The Secret Doctrines,’ vol. 11, p. 558. The initiated adept, who had successfully passed all the trials, was tied to a cross, deep inside a Temple Crypt or cave, he was then drugged and plunged into a deep sleep in which state, in the darkness of the bowels of the earth, he remained for three days and three nights, during which time his spirit=mind, is said to have descended into Hades to communicate with the Gods.

Moses, who was the adopted grandson of Pharaoh and who would have been afforded the best education in the country, may have been initiated into the circle of the guardians of the sacred secrets.

Moses took the bread or the sacred teachings of Egypt [The land of First Born] and removed the yeast and gave to the children of Israel the regulations, rules and laws, that the Israelites were to keep for all time. --------- In one of the religious regulations established by Moses, Aaron would place his hand upon the head of a scapegoat, symbolically transferring the sins of Israel to the goat, which was then sent out into the wilderness to Azazel. What or who, is this Azazel?

In the margins of the Good News Catholic Study Bible, Leviticus 16: concerning “Azazel” it is written by the Catholic authors of the GNB; ‘AZAZEL’ “The meaning of this Hebrew word is unknown: it may be the name of a desert demon.” ‘Azazel’ see Leviticus16: 8.

According to the ancient writings, it was in the days of Enoch’s Father ‘Jared’, which name means ‘Descending,’ that 200 Sons of God, who Enoch describes as watchers or rather OBSERVERS, descended and introduced into the primitive culture of mankind, technology that was about equivalent to that which had been achieved three thousand years in the future.

The Orthodox religious organisations are ignorant as to who Azazel is, because they have rejected the books of Enoch, which are the foundation stone of all scripture, and the stone that has been rejected by the builders of the universal church of Emperor Constantine has turned out to be the most important Stone of all.

The books of Enoch from which Jesus and his apostles taught, were cherished by the early Christians and were held in great reverence by many of the early church fathers, including Irenaeus, Tertullian and Origen, until the early 4th century when, under the ban of dogmatic religious authorities such as Jerome, Hillary and Augustin, they finally passed out of circulation and were thought lost for millennia.

The name Jared, means “DESCENDING” see Young’s Analytical Concordance. And in the Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, it is written that it was in the days of Jared that the Sons of God abandoned their own original habitat and defiled themselves with the daughters of man.

Concerning Azazel, one of the OBSERVERS, we read in the Book of Enoch the prophet, chapter 9 to chapter 10; “And Michael said to the heavenly Lord, "Seest what Azazel hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and has revealed the eternal secrets which were preserved in heaven, which men were striving to learn. And Semjaza, to whom you have given authority to bear rule over his associates (The other 199 sons of God) and they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth and have slept with them and revealed to them all kinds of sin etc.

Semjaza, the leader of the observers, taught enchantments, and root cutting, among other sons of God who revealed to the women all kinds of sin, were Armaros, who taught the resolving of enchantments, Baralqual taught astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon, etc.

But Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tintures etc.

The Lord, through his only begotten prophet Enoch, then passed judgment on the angels who had forsaken their own original habitat and came down and defiled themselves with the daughters of men, saying to them; “You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew only worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth.”

They were then to be bound in chains and cast into the valley of the earth until the day of their consummation, but Azazel was punished separate from the others, See the Book of Enoch the Prophet 10: 4-9; “And again the Lord said to Raphael: Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening 5) in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may 6,7) not see light. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the 8) Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons. And the whole earth has been corrupted 9) through the works that were taught by Azazel: TO HIM ASCRIBE ALL SIN.

It was from the records of Enoch that Moses received the regulations, rules and laws, of the new religion, which included the religious regulation where Aaron would place his hand upon the head of a scapegoat, symbolically transferring the sins of Israel to the goat, which was then sent out into the wilderness to Azazel, the Son of God TO WHOM ALL SIN IS TO BE ASCRIBED.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
Before we get onto the books of righteous Enoch, in 2 Peter 3: 8, Peter says; “But do not ignore this one fact beloved, with the Lord, one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Now from where did Peter receive this information? You will not find any reference to it in the Hebrew canon, or in the Roman canon, it is only Peter who makes reference to this fact.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.

According to your way of thinking, it looks like Peter is laying on the floor beside Luke licking up unclean spiritual food from the cracks in the floor-boards.

Peter goes on to say in verse 10; “But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. On that day the heavens will disappear with a shrill noise, the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and all the works that are upon it will burned up and vanish.

Now from where do you think Peter received the teaching that this universe will burn up and vanish? You wont find in the Jewish or Roman canons, but you will find it in the book of Enoch, who was carried to the end of this cycle of universal activity, where he witnessed the heavens and earth burn up and fall as massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height and depth into ‘The Great Abyss’ or Black Hole, which Enoch describes as the prison of all the stars and the hosts of heaven.

How did the apostles know that the sons of God , who had abandoned their own original habitat and defiled themselves with the daughters of Man, were chained and cast into the darkness in the bowels of the earth, where they were to be imprisoned until the day of their consummation?

You wont find it in the Jewish or Roman canons, but you will find it in the books of Enoch, from which Jude, the brother of Jesus, quotes verbatim.

The Books of Enoch were cherished by the early Christians up until the fourth century, when under the ban of dogmatic authorities of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, such as Hilary, Jerome and Augustus, they finally passed out of circulation and were thought lost for Millennia.

Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.

Hebrews 11: 5; "By faith Enoch was Translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.

Enoch, the most important man in the OT and the NT, and yet he has been rejected by both the Jewish church and the Roman church of Emperor Constantine. The stone that the builders rejected, has turned out to be the most important stone of all.

But why waste my valuable time Painting pictures for blind people? You say that the words of Righteous Enoch, should not be considered, 'Word of God.' Moses did.

Book of Enoch - Wikipedia

The Book of Enoch was considered as scripture in the Epistle of Barnabas (16:4)[26] and by many of the early Church Fathers, such as Athenagoras,[27] Clement of Alexandria,[28] Irenaeus[29] and Tertullian,[30] who wrote c. 200 that the Book of Enoch had been rejected by the Jews because it contained prophecies pertaining to Christ.[31] However, later Fathers denied the canonicity of the book, and some even considered the Epistle of Jude uncanonical because it refers to an "apocryphal" work.[3][32]

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sooda

Veteran Member
And you have access to the original and the date that the original book of Jubilees was written from that which was handed down through the Hebrew oral tradition, do you?

ASK a Jewish person.. The Book of Jubilees is not ancient.
 
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