The Anointed
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The gospel of John was written by others, who had taken certain excerpts from his memoirs. John 21: 23-25;
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The gospel of John was written by others, who had taken certain excerpts from his memoirs. John 21: 23-25;
The book of Jubilees isn't old.
John 21:23-25 New International Version (NIV)
Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”
This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
This is the deal about canons of the Bible.
With regard to Old Testament Books, if the Jews are using it - its canon.
If the Jews are not using it - its fraud.
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These people would know if it is an insertion or not
Because they have been keeping the OT books since Moses time to the present time.
With regards to Constantine the Great
Who was pagan by the way:
Born: 27 February 272 AD, Niš, Serbia
Died: 22 May 337 AD, Nicomedia
Constantine was the first Roman emperor to convert to Christianity. Although he lived much of his life as a pagan, and later as a catechumen, he joined the Christian faith on his deathbed....
Constantine the Great - Wikipedia
He definitely have no say and no right to tamper the OT Bible.
How would people believe in a person who has been pagan all his life on Christian matters?
Further the Lord Jesus never read this Book of Jubilees or other works unclean.
Accepting unclean doctrines is like eating from the floor.
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When its dirty...you know what it does.
WE KNOW THAT HIS TESTIMONY IS TRUE. The 'WE,' are the unknown authors of the Gospel of John which was taken from his memoirs.
MJFlores wrote...…… Accepting unclean doctrines is like eating from the floor.
The Anointed...……. So you consider that Luke, who quoted from a book outside the canon of the Jews and the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, was sucking his spiritual food off the floor, do you?.
Would you consider the books of Enoch to be unclean works also?
Even the Catholic Church do not recognize that as canon.
Books of the Latin Vulgate - Wikipedia
Book of Enoch, Book of Thomas Thaddeus, Book of Judas Iscariot - are all spurious, doubtful, apocrypha and should not be considered word of God.
Before we get onto the books of righteous Enoch, in 2 Peter 3: 8, Peter says; “But do not ignore this one fact beloved, with the Lord, one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Now from where did Peter receive this information? You will not find any reference to it in the Hebrew canon, or in the Roman canon, it is only Peter who makes reference to this fact.
From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.
According to your way of thinking, it looks like Peter is laying on the floor beside Luke licking up unclean spiritual food from the cracks in the floor-boards.
Peter goes on to say in verse 10; “But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. On that day the heavens will disappear with a shrill noise, the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and all the works that are upon it will burned up and vanish.
Now from where do you think Peter received the teaching that this universe will burn up and vanish? You wont find in the Jewish or Roman canons, but you will find it in the book of Enoch, who was carried to the end of this cycle of universal activity, where he witnessed the heavens and earth burn up and fall as massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height and depth into ‘The Great Abyss’ or Black Hole, which Enoch describes as the prison of all the stars and the hosts of heaven.
How did the apostles know that the sons of God , who had abandoned their own original habitat and defiled themselves with the daughters of Man, were chained and cast into the darkness in the bowels of the earth, where they were to be imprisoned until the day of their consummation?
You wont find it in the Jewish or Roman canons, but you will find it in the books of Enoch, from which Jude, the brother of Jesus, quotes verbatim.
The Books of Enoch were cherished by the early Christians up until the fourth century, when under the ban of dogmatic authorities of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, such as Hilary, Jerome and Augustus, they finally passed out of circulation and were thought lost for Millennia.
Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.
Hebrews 11: 5; "By faith Enoch was Translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.
Enoch, the most important man in the OT and the NT, and yet he has been rejected by both the Jewish church and the Roman church of Emperor Constantine. The stone that the builders rejected, has turned out to be the most important stone of all.
But why waste my valuable time Painting pictures for blind people? You say that the words of Righteous Enoch, should not be considered, 'Word of God.' Moses did.
And you have access to the original and the date that the original book of Jubilees was written from that which was handed down through the Hebrew oral tradition, do you?