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The contributions of the sciences to Religion

George-ananda

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
prometheus11 said:
Accepted.

I'm just saying that results tend to be slightly better on that test when the subject has partaken of a mild hallucinogen. It's within the margin of error, nothing is proved, but in two tests, the subject will do slightly better on the test fine under the affect of a mild hallucinogen.
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Actually, this makes sense to me as in the theory that hallucinogens loosen the mind's normal tight connection to the five senses. This would also indicate the 'more' they experience is really getting at something real out there.
prometheus11 said:
Perhaps under a mild hallucinogen, the subject picks up a bit more unconscious clues like LSD users notice a hollow face illusion where a sober person won't?
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In properly constructed experiments (as in modern parapsychology), there would be no clues to pick up on through the five normal senses or the entire experiment would be a waste of time.
 
prometheus11

prometheus11

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Nope. And you don't either. (Or would you like to prove me wrong and explain).

I know the zpe doesn't explain any thing you'd like it to.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
prometheus11 said:
Me neither. Lead on.
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Ahem....realization of the transcendent does allow one to understand that contemporary science can not validate that which it can not understand...not because the scientists are dumb...but the present technologies and theories are too primitive...
 
prometheus11

prometheus11

Well-Known Member
ben d said:
Ahem....realization of the transcendent does allow one to understand that contemporary science can not validate that which it can not understand...not because the scientists are dumb...but the present technologies and theories are too primitive...
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Yes. That must be wonderful.
 
George-ananda

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
gnostic said:
You are forgetting that I wasn't the one who ask for one.

And you are also forgetting that I wasn't the one who request any list.

And lastly, I wasn't the one who claim to have a list. (You did.)
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It is not clear why you even chose to jump into this. The fact that anyone could produce a list of names of people called parapsychologists could never have been in doubt. I was getting at the point behind the request which is the real contention. But anyway......
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
George-ananda said:
It is not clear why you even chose to jump into this. The fact that anyone could produce a list of names of people called parapsychologists could never have been in doubt. I was getting at the point behind the request which is the real contention. But anyway......
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You have made claim that parapsychologists were scientists.
George-ananda said:
I think parapsychological researchers/scientists have added tremendously to my understanding of the universe beyond the physical plane and I am grateful for that.
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Sapiens rejected your claim that that they are scientists.
Sapiens said:
1. There is no such-a-thing as a "parapsychological researchers/scientist".
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And then you have made another claim that you can list a number of these so-called "scientists".
George-ananda said:
I can give you a string of names but what's the use.
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It is you, George who made the claim about parapsychologists being "scientists" and you being able to provide "a string of names" - not me and not sapiens.

Parapsychology is a pseudoscience, and not a branch or field in science, because it make claims that paranormal activities or psychic abilities being real.

These parapsychologists are not scientists; they are as fraudulent as those who have claim to psychic abilities.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
ben d said:
That some form of telepathy exists is pretty self evident to most people, it does not require some academic authority to confirm it.....though it would be nice if academia could work out how it works. I mean is there anyone posting here who has not experienced having a thought of someone just before the phone rings and there they are? Or the other way round...you call someone and they say..."You know I was just thinking of you"!

And the more mysterious ones like prescient dreams...I used to go fishing a few time a week for years... and I would dream the night before that I caught a crab...and I would catch a crab...next time a dream about catching a few silvery fish and a golden one....and I would catch a few silver bream and a catfish.. I always went with my lady friend and she too would sometimes have fish or crabs dreams the night before and they always play out according to the dream of silvery, golden, or crab. This went on for years and so on our way we always asked each other if there were any fish dreams and if neither of us dreamed of catching anything.....there was about a 95% chance we didn't.. The dreams were general type of fish and crab specific...so how could this be, that the future was already, to some extent, knowable before the the physical manifestation?

ps..interesting too that the dream never manifested when I was consciously in a state of anticipation...which I sometimes was when not much was happening...it always happened when my attention was elsewhere and it would only dawn on me as I was hauling it in and I could see the flash of silver, or gold, or crab through the water...
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These examples you describe can easily be dismissed as coincidence. So, how do you reconcile that?
 
prometheus11

prometheus11

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rusra02 said:
I think various sciences have contributed evidence to support the Bible's authenticity. For example, archeologists have made many discoveries that support the Bible as historically accurate. Biologists have given insight into the human cell and DNA, thus supporting the Bibles' statement that a supreme Intelligence created life. Many statements in the Bible have been confirmed by modern science, Here is a partial list from this source:

  • The universe had a beginning. (Genesis 1:1) In contrast, many ancient myths describe the universe, not as being created, but as being organized from existing chaos. The Babylonians believed that the gods that gave birth to the universe came from two oceans. Other legends say that the universe came from a giant egg.

  • The universe is governed day-to-day by rational natural laws, not by the whims of deities. (Job 38:33; Jeremiah 33:25) Myths from around the world teach that humans are helpless before the unpredictable and sometimes merciless acts of the gods.

  • The earth is suspended in empty space. (Job 26:7) Many ancient peoples believed that the world was a flat disk supported by a giant or an animal, such as a buffalo or a turtle.

  • Rivers and springs are fed by water that has evaporated from the oceans and other sources and then has fallen back to earth as rain, snow, or hail. (Job 36:27, 28; Ecclesiastes 1:7; Isaiah 55:10; Amos 9:6) The ancient Greeks thought that rivers were fed by underground ocean water, and this idea persisted into the 18th century.

  • The mountains rise and fall, and today’s mountains were once under the ocean. (Psalm 104:6, 8) In contrast, several myths say that the mountains were created in their current form by the gods.

  • Sanitary practices protect health. The Law given to the nation of Israel included regulations for washing after touching a dead body, quarantining those with infectious disease, and disposing of human waste safely. (Leviticus 11:28; 13:1-5; Deuteronomy 23:13) By contrast, one of the Egyptian remedies in use when these commands were given called for applying to an open wound a mixture that included human excrement.
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From where did you get this pre assembled information?
 
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