The contributions of the sciences to Religion

[Ben Dhyan]

So, does it bother you that no one is buying your snake oil?

.....

 

[George-ananda]

Does it bother you that no one is buying your snake oil?

I ordered a gallon.

 

[McBell]

I ordered a gallon.

like anyone is the least bit surprised?


OASN:
Still waiting for that math

 

[George-ananda]

like anyone is the least bit surprised?

Did fix me rheumatism that snake oil

 

[McBell]

Did fix me rheumatism that snake oil

Rather difficult to take you seriously when you make math claims and then refuse to show the math.

 

[prometheus11]

It is not about me...it is about universal reality.....and what on earth has money got to do with it? I do understand though that you can tell a lot about another's evolutionary maturity when they imagine money could be somehow a motivating factor for mature aspirants in the understanding parapsychology.

So you insist that telepathy is real and everybody knows it but you can't find a single person who can prove it. Got it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

So you insist that telepathy is real and everybody knows it but you can't find a single person who can prove it. Got it.

That's right, all except for the blind.....like when you look in the mirror, do you need proof that it is you? But the blind can't see....such is the case of those whose awareness is dulled...

 

[prometheus11]

That's right, all except for the blind.....like when you look in the mirror, do you need proof that it is you? But the blind can't see....such is the case of those whose awareness is dulled...

That's right. Nothing no.

 

[Shad]

That's right, all except for the blind.....like when you look in the mirror, do you need proof that it is you? But the blind can't see....such is the case of those whose awareness is dulled...

Inflating your ego as superior as a copout after failing to support your claims. Typical. Perhaps your mirror is merely a product of your mind and you only see what you want to see.... thus a delusion.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Inflating your ego as superior as a copout after failing to support your claims. Typical. Perhaps your mirror is merely a product of your mind and you only see what you want to see.... thus a delusion.

Who is implying superiority.....most people have experienced some form of telepathy? It is just a matter of logic that if someone needs proof telepathy exists, the implication is that they have not experienced it. Most people can see...but it would be unfair for the blind to accuse people with vision as having inflated egos for admitting they can see...and demanding proof..

 

[cambridge79]

You have such FAITH in human institutions.
If I had that much faith in God,
I'd be walking on water.

i don't have faith in institutions, institutions are made of humans and humans have their reasons, not always good.
But i have faith in the scientific method.
a claim is just a claim. A claim based ona repeatable experiment is something else.
You may be right that won't be accepted easily but in the end either that experiment can be explained in any rational way or it can't and if it can't we have something.
at the moment things like telepaty are just claims. They've even been actually briefly studied back in cold war times both by military and academy and have been dismissed cause there was actually nothing there.
you wonder why you need to spend billions of dollars to build spy satellites and u2 planes if you have remote viewer for example.

You being wrong does not need proof...it is self evident. Lemmings will never realize the nature of the universe through belief...it needs to be realized directly...there is no other way!

Said the man who build all his wisdom on unsupported claims.

 

[cambridge79]

Did fix me rheumatism that snake oil

oh yeah, like homeopathy.
Call me when that snake oil will cure cancer or Poliomyelitis and you'll have my ears

 

[cambridge79]

That's right, all except for the blind.....like when you look in the mirror, do you need proof that it is you? But the blind can't see....such is the case of those whose awareness is dulled...

well, if i had a blind person with me i would be able to describe him the mirror than i would be able to prove him that it works:
for example i would tell him to put his hand on my nape so that he is sure i can't turn.,
than i will tell him to make a number with his fingers behind my head so that i can't see.
than i will tell him that i will be able to know what numbers he is making by looking it in my mirror.

basically i will be able to describe to him the phenomena and than setup an experiment to prove him my claims.
If i was going around telling "oh, i've got this beautiful mirror but you can't see it cause you're blind, i pity you" i would simply be a bad person and he would still have the right to deny that i have a mirror.

Now i'm a blind person and i'm waiting to see your mirror.

 

[leibowde84]

Statements like that can easily be dismissed as confirmation bias. So how do you reconcile that?

Maybe you misunderstood what I said, but there is no confirmation bias when someone merely points out the most plausible explanation as being coincidence. Coincidences happen every day, and many are far more out of the ordinary than the ones you mentioned. So, why do you jump to some kind of supernatural communication rather than the most reasonable assumption of coincidence?

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

i don't have faith in institutions, institutions are made of humans and humans have their reasons, not always good.
But i have faith in the scientific method.
a claim is just a claim. A claim based ona repeatable experiment is something else.
You may be right that won't be accepted easily but in the end either that experiment can be explained in any rational way or it can't and if it can't we have something.
at the moment things like telepaty are just claims. They've even been actually briefly studied back in cold war times both by military and academy and have been dismissed cause there was actually nothing there.
you wonder why you need to spend billions of dollars to build spy satellites and u2 planes if you have remote viewer for example.


Said the man who build all his wisdom on unsupported claims.

Well i have experienced ESP on more occasions than I can count.
And yet I do not fully understand it and I cannot bring it on at will.

I have also experienced 'falling in love' on many occasions,
I do not fully understand that either, and cannot willfully make it happen.

I play a bit of guitar too, and occasionally it really sounds good but
most of the time its fairly mediocre. I do not understand why and seem
to play badly the more I am aware of people watching me.

I have also often gone to see my favorite musician and more often
than not, the performance is never as good as the recording.

Seems like quite a pattern.

Science cannot prove 'falling in love' any more than ESP,
or what makes for a good musical performance.

Neither can it be proven to me that anybody else other than me has consciousness at all.
In fact consciousness is not provable via the scientific method, and we can only
claim that consciousness exists via the methods of hermeneutics and phenomenology.

 

[viole]

Its just so weird that I talked about knowing about how somebody can see you when you cannot see them,
then it actually happened.

Does it work also if someone looks at you from a hidden camera?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Said the man who build all his wisdom on unsupported claims.

Said the man who is bereft of wisdom because he believes it comes from outside himself...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

well, if i had a blind person with me i would be able to describe him the mirror than i would be able to prove him that it works:
for example i would tell him to put his hand on my nape so that he is sure i can't turn.,
than i will tell him to make a number with his fingers behind my head so that i can't see.
than i will tell him that i will be able to know what numbers he is making by looking it in my mirror.

basically i will be able to describe to him the phenomena and than setup an experiment to prove him my claims.
If i was going around telling "oh, i've got this beautiful mirror but you can't see it cause you're blind, i pity you" i would simply be a bad person and he would still have the right to deny that i have a mirror.

Now i'm a blind person and i'm waiting to see your mirror.

Blah blah blah....what on earth are going on about....being blind is a metaphor for not being sensitive to your psi psychological environment....

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Maybe you misunderstood what I said, but there is no confirmation bias when someone merely points out the most plausible explanation as being coincidence. Coincidences happen every day, and many are far more out of the ordinary than the ones you mentioned. So, why do you jump to some kind of supernatural communication rather than the most reasonable assumption of coincidence?

Maybe you misunderstood what I said, but there is confirmation bias when someone who believes that prescience is not common place, must question the suggestion in order to make himself right... It is natural that if you have not experienced prescience.....you do not know......accept it and understand you must lack esp...

 

[cambridge79]

Blah blah blah....what on earth are going on about....being blind is a metaphor for not being sensitive to your psi psychological environment....

i love how you can't even handle your own metaphors. once angain when asked for proofs you evade the argument