The contributions of the sciences to Religion

[cambridge79]

Well i have experienced ESP on more occasions than I can count.
And yet I do not fully understand it and I cannot bring it on at will.

I have also experienced 'falling in love' on many occasions,
I do not fully understand that either, and cannot willfully make it happen.

I play a bit of guitar too, and occasionally it really sounds good but
most of the time its fairly mediocre. I do not understand why and seem
to play badly the more I am aware of people watching me.

I have also often gone to see my favorite musician and more often
than not, the performance is never as good as the recording.

Seems like quite a pattern.

Science cannot prove 'falling in love' any more than ESP,
or what makes for a good musical performance.

Neither can it be proven to me that anybody else other than me has consciousness at all.
In fact consciousness is not provable via the scientific method, and we can only
claim that consciousness exists via the methods of hermeneutics and phenomenology.

problem is, science can tell if you're in love and understand love pretty well.
when you're in love all sort of chemical reactions happen in your body and in your brain. You can brain scan a person and tell if he is in love by watching for example what areas of the brain react when he is shown the picture of the persone he love. Actually a scientist would be able to tell you that you love someone even before you realize it.
How do we know that? Because we've scientifically studied that. we've also scientifically studied things like ESP and nothing emerged, no pattern that goes behind the simple statistical you would obtain by random events.
If you were honestly looking to understand the phenomena you claim to have experienced you would test yourself on that just to understand if you're under a delusion or if you're experiencing something real.
but no, you are sure that is real because that's what you want it to be. Therefore, confirmation bias.

as i said many people claim to believe in telepaty simply because it happened to them they've experienced things like thinking about someone and than him calling them on the phone while in fact reality is they don't realize they're deluded.

 

[prometheus11]

Blah blah blah....what on earth are going on about....being blind is a metaphor for not being sensitive to your psi psychological environment....

Poor form, old chap.

Someone took the time to use your metaphor and extend it with rationale as to why evidence is necessary. And you sh!t all over it.

Poor form, old chap.

 

[leibowde84]

Maybe you misunderstood what I said, but there is confirmation bias when someone who believes that prescience is not common place, must question the suggestion in order to make himself right... It is natural that if you have not experienced prescience.....you do not know......accept it and understand you must lack esp...

You are putting words in my mouth. I never claimed that I had never experienced "prescience", as I have experienced many times a feeling of knowing what was going to happen before it did. Deja Vu, for example, is a common occurrence for many people (including myself). My point is that you have yet to provide any reasoning for why this can't be explained by common coincidence rather than some kind of supernatural communication or controlling force.

 

[leibowde84]

Said the man who is bereft of wisdom because he believes it comes from outside himself...

Can you at least provide substantiation for your claim that wisdom doesn't come from outside one's self?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

i love how you can't even handle your own metaphors. once angain when asked for proofs you evade the argument

Are you that obtuse?....I can't eat for you, I can't think for you, and I can't experience esp for you...these are all things you need to do for yourself... In the case of esp...if you lack the the attribute...stiff...it will not be self evident... A blind man tapping with his stick to navigate his way is not the same as one with vision...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You are putting words in my mouth. I never claimed that I had never experienced "prescience", as I have experienced many times a feeling of knowing what was going to happen before it did. Deja Vu, for example, is a common occurrence for many people (including myself). My point is that you have yet to provide any reasoning for why this can't be explained by common coincidence rather than some kind of supernatural communication or controlling force.

So where is your proof that you experienced prescience...and also why could it not be just coincidence?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Can you at least provide substantiation for your claim that wisdom doesn't come from outside one's self?

Because belief in some external teaching is not the same thing as inner knowing... Inner knowing is wisdom, belief in some external teaching is faith..

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Poor form, old chap.

Someone took the time to use your metaphor and extend it with rationale as to why evidence is necessary. And you sh!t all over it.

Poor form, old chap.

It was a metaphor and he responded to it as a literal narrative....too much time on his hands and not enough on mine, that's why I was short..

 

[prometheus11]

It was a metaphor and he responded to it as a literal narrative....too much time on his hands and not enough on mine, that's why I was short..

No, he extended the metaphor to attempt to reach you. Basically, like a toddler, you shoved away your veggies and he smiled and took them and mashed them and mixed in some sugar and cinnamon and gently nudged you into taking a small bite and you threw up in his mouth and bit his hand.

You spit at those who try to help you. Poor child.

 

[cambridge79]

No, he extended the metaphor to attempt to reach you. Basically, like a toddler, you shoved away your veggies and he smiled and took them and mashed them and mixed in some sugar and cinnamon and gently nudged you into taking a small bite and you threw up in his mouth and bit his hand.

You spit at those who try to help you. Poor child.

he is not a child, he can write on a forum so he is a grown up gu.....oh wait, it's a metaphor you're using there.....but it's not gonna work cause he is not a toddler........but the metaphor purpose should be actually to not be taken literally.......but......brain HUUrrTTTssss

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, he extended the metaphor to attempt to reach you. Basically, like a toddler, you shoved away your veggies and he smiled and took them and mashed them and mixed in some sugar and cinnamon and gently nudged you into taking a small bite and you threw up in his mouth and bit his hand.

You spit at those who try to help you. Poor child.

So...trying your hand at fiction huh? You have an a lively imagination that supports your confirmation bias..

 

[prometheus11]

So...trying your hand at fiction huh? You have an a lively imagination that supports your confirmation bias..

You realize the words you write are just a temporary, foam barrier that you'll have to rebuild any time anyone confronts your obvious illusions? You do realize it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You realize the words you write are just a temporary, foam barrier that you'll have to rebuild any time anyone confronts your obvious illusions? You do realize it.

You must know this because of experience...for me I merely say what I mean... Now is all there ever is, was, and will be...it is the changing shadows on the cave wall that you take as reality that is illusion...

 

[prometheus11]

You must know this because of experience...for me I merely say what I mean... Now is all there ever is, was, and will be...it is the changing shadows on the cave wall that you take as reality that is illusion...

I know it because you're so predictable. Your statements are easily refuted, but at the sign of the first crack, you retreat to irrelevant claims of superior spiritual vision. Boring...

 

[rusra02]

From where did you get this pre assembled information?

My source was quoted in the post and linked to.

 

[prometheus11]

My source was quoted in the post and linked to.

Sorry.

The app I use for this forum doesn't show me a lot that nonapp users see. For example, I see no signatures.

 

[rusra02]

Sorry.

The app I use for this forum doesn't show me a lot that nonapp users see. For example, I see no signatures.

No problem. Here is the link:
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/science-and-the-bible/

 

[leibowde84]

So where is your proof that you experienced prescience...and also why could it not be just coincidence?

That's my point. It might have appeared like "prescience", but it was most likely just a coincidence.

 

[Shad]

Who is implying superiority.....most people have experienced some form of telepathy?

You are by suggesting anyone that does not accept your baseless claims is blind. Nevermind that you never substantiated your case at all. You just blame others for your inability.

It is just a matter of logic that if someone needs proof telepathy exists, the implication is that they have not experienced it.

Wrong as logic must also be sound. Soundness require evidence which you failed to produce.

Most people can see...but it would be unfair for the blind to accuse people with vision as having inflated egos for admitting they can see...and demanding proof..

Your analogy fails as blindness is a know condition while your "sight" of the unsupported is another empty claim made by you to support your tripe.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Does it work also if someone looks at you from a hidden camera?

Ciao

- viole

Haha!
I'll have to spend some time thinking about this one

problem is, science can tell if you're in love and understand love pretty well.
when you're in love all sort of chemical reactions happen in your body and in your brain. You can brain scan a person and tell if he is in love by watching for example what areas of the brain react when he is shown the picture of the persone he love. Actually a scientist would be able to tell you that you love someone even before you realize it.
How do we know that? Because we've scientifically studied that. we've also scientifically studied things like ESP and nothing emerged, no pattern that goes behind the simple statistical you would obtain by random events.
If you were honestly looking to understand the phenomena you claim to have experienced you would test yourself on that just to understand if you're under a delusion or if you're experiencing something real.
but no, you are sure that is real because that's what you want it to be. Therefore, confirmation bias.

as i said many people claim to believe in telepaty simply because it happened to them they've experienced things like thinking about someone and than him calling them on the phone while in fact reality is they don't realize they're deluded.

Well those are entirely esoteric claims
and there is no way that i can repeat them.

Science demands that they must be repeated.

Tell me where i can buy this 'fall in love scanning device'?
If it worked it would be available for sale on every street corner.

If you understood how women think you would realize that.
Have you not noticed the massive market that especially women take part in
like perfumes and romance lit, and romance movies, etc?

What's more, if chemicals in the brain can describe 'fall in love'
then it would be entirely possible to artificially replicate this and thus
it would be entirely possible to drug someone into falling in love with you.

You really have not thought through your esoteric claims
and do nothing more than to copy-paste what is the most
ridiculous claim to pseudoscience I have read this year.

Here in Africa, on every corner is a Juju man selling 'fall in love muti'.
Totally guaranteed!
Of course!