The contributions of the sciences to Religion

[Reflex]

You cannot wash away superstition, without washing away any concept of God we are aware of.

Well, I certainly hope so.

Hi Reflex and welcome to the message board!

Thank you, Mystic.

You understood what I said above, don't you? (I doubt Viole did.)

 

[viole]

Well, I certainly hope so.

I wonder how, since any of the beliefs superstitious people hold have the same plausibility of any of the beliefs religious people have.
I wonder why we make a difference between them, really.

What do you think?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Reflex]

I wonder how, since any of the beliefs superstitious people hold have the same plausibility of any of the beliefs religious people have.
I wonder why we make a difference between them, really.

What do you think?

Ciao

- viole

The notion that "God" is about belief or something that is believed in is mere superstition. It's looking at the finger and not seeing the moon to which it points. Religion isn't about "beliefs" at all: it's about connecting to the Divine within all of us.

 

[outhouse]

it's about connecting to the Divine within all of us.

Many will claim that is because the concept only exist in literature and human consciousness.

 

[viole]

The notion that "God" is about belief or something that is believed in is mere superstition. It's looking at the finger and not seeing the moon to which it points. Religion isn't about "beliefs" at all: it's about connecting to the Divine within all of us.

There is no divine. Where do you get the idea that there is any?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Reflex]

There is no divine. Where do you get the idea that there is any?

Ciao

- viole

You asked me where I got the idea that there is a divine. I can just as easily and as justifiably (especially in light of modern science) ask where you get the idea that reality is comprised of relatively isolated bits and pieces?

Whether talking a bout the Big Bang as a singular event, an infinite number of universes, something from “nothing,” “branes” or whatever, there is always and inevitably the premise of a self-existing and indeterminate quantum field. There is no way of getting around it. There is an aversion to calling this field a “first cause” because of its obvious theistic connotation, but semantic connotations aside, that's exactly what it is. And this presumed "first cause" of science and the God of religion are one and the same. Whether we call it "God" or the "quantum field," it is "the circle of infinity whose center is everywhere and circumference nowhere."

The word "divine," like the words "God" and "reality," is an indicator to facilitate communication. It designates an experience without defining or describing that to which it points. Anything said about it is just that person's conceptual interpretation--the reality itself is indefinite. Of course, there is no empirical or objective evidence that the sense of connectedness is indeed genuine, but it is not inconsistent with science and no one seriously denies that it is real, though more often not, it is known secondhand rather than something experienced firsthand. William James understood this quite well.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Then you can demonstrate it in a controlled environment and show the whole world you have this ability. Until you do so I can reasonable conclude that your claims have no merit and can be dismissed for such a reason.

Everyone in the world, including animals, insects, and plants. have a form of what materialists would call esp to some extent...it is due to all life forms being a part of the planetary collective consciousness... It is more of a passive sensitivity to pick up on the background that enhances prescience for example, a distraction otoh desensitizes it.. What a materialist concludes or does not conclude is of no concern, I could not care less...materialists are way down the pecking order of human evolution....

 

[Ben Dhyan]

ben d my friend you seem to be up to your tush in stuff and taking on all comers ! "Empathy", the ability to feel the thoughts and emotions of others. One's thoughts and feelings are "private" and folks that impose upon that privacy are persecuted because that privacy is being imposed upon. And folks that are true empaths learn at an early age to shut it off or at least to keep their mouth shut about it. Otherwise they are hunted to extiction if they prove it to be real. And they also shut it off because being a true empath is very painful because of the amount of unhappiness and fear that most of the folks around them are experiencing. When one tells folks that they are an empath with a high degree of esp, they are telling folks to be afraid of them because they can and will know the hidden thoughts of these folks. There is no place to hide. There is no privacy.

And that is only part one . Part two is that we are like CB radio sending and receiving units and most folks have only a 5 watt sending and receiving capacity, while at the sametime there are some folks that have a 25 or more watt sending and receiving capacity. And these folks with a higher sending and receiving capacity can step on the "emotions" of those with a lower sending and receiving capacity. The very beautiful people in Hollywood are classic examples of this. Their signal is so strong that they can step on other peoples signals and cause those folks to "feel" emotions and feelings that these folks can't/don't normally feel. And lets face it we all love it when they do it ! There are also very charismatic leaders in religion and politics that can do the samething. And sometimes they are helpful and sometimes they are dangerous because they do not feel any compassion for those that they are manipulating. The truly empathic do exist, but again lets face it, they are scary. They are like the X men and mutants of the comic book world. They have more or less abilities that normal people do not understand and are more or less vulnerable to. ben d, attempting to promote the existance of folks that have high esp/empathic abilities could be considered a dangerous thing to do , especially if you are one of those folks that have high esp/empathic abilities . Luckly nobody takes any of this stuff seriously and after all everybody knows that there is "no" and has "never" been any outerspace alien presence on this Earth !

There is not transmission analogous to CB radio involved in esp....the planetary collective consciousness is one environment in which we live, move, and have our being....the more sensitive souls pick up on relevant vibrations, if not distracted, and the less sensitive do not.. People are not equal in evolution ans some people are less sensitive and thus less empathetic and compassionate as you say...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Ya ben ! And do you really want to ?!

I answered that in my post to Shad....

 

[Shad]

Everyone in the world, including animals, insects, and plants. have a form of what materialists would call esp to some extent...it is due to all life forms being a part of the planetary collective consciousness... It is more of a passive sensitivity to pick up on the background that enhances prescience for example, a distraction otoh desensitizes it.. What a materialist concludes or does not conclude is of no concern, I could not care less...materialists are way down the pecking order of human evolution....

Unsubstantiated tripe can be dismissed due to the lack of evidence, which you acknowledge you can not provide at all. If you didn't care you would make any claims. However since you are making claims this shows not only you care but you want other to consider what you claim as true. Otherwise you would remain silent. You contradict yourself.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Unsubstantiated tripe can be dismissed due to the lack of evidence, which you acknowledge you can not provide at all. If you didn't care you would make any claims. However since you are making claims this shows not only you care but you want other to consider what you claim as true. Otherwise you would remain silent. You contradict yourself.

Haha.....you are hereby dismissed...

 

[Shad]

Haha.....you are hereby dismissed...

Still here, not dismissed. Try your ESP, maybe that will work.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Still here, not dismissed. Try your ESP, maybe that will work.

Don't be cheeky....

 

[Shad]

Don't be cheeky....

And your comment wasn't. Hilarious. Beside my comment provided sound grounding for my conclusion. You just dismissed me without cause. Try again.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

And your comment wasn't. Hilarious. Beside my comment provided sound grounding for my conclusion. You just dismissed me without cause. Try again.

You have shown you genuinely do not want to learn.....recalcitrance deserves being dismissed as it just wastes time....

 

[Shad]

You have shown you genuinely do not want to learn.....recalcitrance deserves being dismissed as it just wastes time....

What value is there learning something that you can not substantiate at all? It is useless tripe until demonstrated otherwise. I am not obligated to learn anything from anyone that can not substantiate their claims and admit they can't. You project on to me an expectation only due to your own personal view not any objective view. You accept unsubstantiated opinions and demand I should as well, I don't. Why waste time with what is nonsense? After all it is your wasting time posting sophistry not I.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What value is there learning something that you can not substantiate at all? It is useless tripe until demonstrated otherwise. I am not obligated to learn anything from anyone that can not substantiate their claims and admit they can't. You project on to me an expectation only due to your own personal view not any objective view. You accept unsubstantiated opinions and demand I should as well, I don't. Why waste time with what is nonsense? After all it is your wasting time posting sophistry not I.

You have the cart before the horse...the learning is the substantiation... If you are not prepared to genuinely learn...then you will end up like yourself....

 

[Shad]

You have the cart before the horse...the learning is the substantiation... If you are not prepared to genuinely learn...then you will end up like yourself....

Learning something that is unsubstantiated is pointless. The only value in learning anything you have said it that delusions are hilarious.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Learning something that is unsubstantiated is pointless. The only value in learning anything you have said it that delusions are hilarious.

You also do not understand what is said to you...reread my last post about which comes first...substantiation or learning?

 

[Shad]

You also do not understand what is said to you...reread my last post about which comes first...substantiation or learning?

Learning anything that has not been substantiated is useless and a waste of time. It would be like trying to teach people to cook using their mental power all while being unable to actually demonstrate such a technique actually cooks anything. In the end everyone eats a raw cold meal.