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The contributions of the sciences to Religion

Jonathan Ainsley Bain

Logical Positivist
The most obvious para-psychological phenomenon,
which every person I have spoken to has experienced
which has no scientific explanation, is:

Knowing when somebody is looking at you from behind.

This suggests that my consciousness is fundamentally connected
to your consciousness, in a manner which is not at all explained
using normally understood sensory perception.

I would like the nay-sayers to try and explain this using materialist physics.
They cannot,
and yet I feel confident they have all experienced it.

This is the best example, but there are many other more profound examples.

The problem is, that in order to fully experience the power of the para-mind,
one first must clear out all the clutter such as materialist fixation, sin, bad karma, etc.

And yet the materialist will not clear out the garbage in their minds because
they do not believe that a clear mind brings para-phenomenon.

Of course they may try this a little bit some time, but become terrified
at the first shadows generated by the light of spirituality, then
they run back to stuffing their minds full of drink and flesh and food and money
to blot out their first raw feelings which they probably consider to be signs of
psychosis. Which they are, but they misconstrue the nature of what psychosis
actually is: fear. Most specifically, the fear generated by their own negative placebos.

So basically they want their cake and eat it too.

Its like trying to teach somebody to swim,
they are terrified of drowning, and this terror actually stops them
from making the calm relaxed strokes required for swimming.

So instead they thrash around madly which causes them to drown.
Their own fear reaffirming itself.
 

cambridge79

Active Member
Statistics are understood...but nevertheless there exists a medium between between all sentient life forms that allows a form communication between them at a non-verbal level... Science may, in the main eschew it because it would upset the apple cart of contemporary science orthodoxy...but there it is for all to note and experience...

the road to Nobel prize is open to anyone who can produce a single repeatable experiment that actually show this thing exists. companies could make an awful lot of money on that and military could exploit that in so many ways so they will jump on that throwing money at you if you can produce such an experiment and convince them.
Instead of focusing on those "bad academic professors" that deny the reality of such phenomena why don't your people come up with such an experiment? Oh i know why, because it doesn't exist, so only game you can play is "academia world is blind and is ostracizing us but we know the thruth"

therefore you will now play the card "i can't show you nothing you don't want to see" so you can keep ignoring the fact that i'm actually offering you the chance to prove me wrong but you have not a single way to do that.
 

Jonathan Ainsley Bain

Logical Positivist
the road to Nobel prize is open to anyone who can produce a single repeatable experiment that actually show this thing exists. companies could make an awful lot of money on that and military could exploit that in so many ways so they will jump on that throwing money at you if you can produce such an experiment and convince them.
Instead of focusing on those "bad academic professors" that deny the reality of such phenomena why don't your people come up with such an experiment? Oh i know why, because it doesn't exist, so only game you can play is "academia world is blind and is ostracizing us but we know the thruth"

therefore you will now play the card "i can't show you nothing you don't want to see" so you can keep ignoring the fact that i'm actually offering you the chance to prove me wrong but you have not a single way to do that.

Its just so weird that I talked about knowing about how somebody can see you when you cannot see them,
then it actually happened.
 

Jonathan Ainsley Bain

Logical Positivist
the road to Nobel prize is open to anyone who can produce a single repeatable experiment that actually show this thing exists. companies could make an awful lot of money on that and military could exploit that in so many ways so they will jump on that throwing money at you if you can produce such an experiment and convince them.
Instead of focusing on those "bad academic professors" that deny the reality of such phenomena why don't your people come up with such an experiment? Oh i know why, because it doesn't exist, so only game you can play is "academia world is blind and is ostracizing us but we know the thruth"

therefore you will now play the card "i can't show you nothing you don't want to see" so you can keep ignoring the fact that i'm actually offering you the chance to prove me wrong but you have not a single way to do that.

You have such FAITH in human institutions.
If I had that much faith in God,
I'd be walking on water.
 

prometheus11

Well-Known Member
The most obvious para-psychological phenomenon,
which every person I have spoken to has experienced
which has no scientific explanation, is:

Knowing when somebody is looking at you from behind.

This suggests that my consciousness is fundamentally connected
to your consciousness, in a manner which is not at all explained
using normally understood sensory perception.

I would like the nay-sayers to try and explain this using materialist physics.
They cannot,
and yet I feel confident they have all experienced it.

This is the best example, but there are many other more profound examples.

The problem is, that in order to fully experience the power of the para-mind,
one first must clear out all the clutter such as materialist fixation, sin, bad karma, etc.

And yet the materialist will not clear out the garbage in their minds because
they do not believe that a clear mind brings para-phenomenon.

Of course they may try this a little bit some time, but become terrified
at the first shadows generated by the light of spirituality, then
they run back to stuffing their minds full of drink and flesh and food and money
to blot out their first raw feelings which they probably consider to be signs of
psychosis. Which they are, but they misconstrue the nature of what psychosis
actually is: fear. Most specifically, the fear generated by their own negative placebos.

So basically they want their cake and eat it too.

Its like trying to teach somebody to swim,
they are terrified of drowning, and this terror actually stops them
from making the calm relaxed strokes required for swimming.

So instead they thrash around madly which causes them to drown.
Their own fear reaffirming itself.

If it happens then it can be proved. If it can be proved, it can be studied. If it can be studied, it can be used.

Are you about to become the most famous and richest person in the world because you can prove telepathy? How exciting for you!!!
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
the road to Nobel prize is open to anyone who can produce a single repeatable experiment that actually show this thing exists. companies could make an awful lot of money on that and military could exploit that in so many ways so they will jump on that throwing money at you if you can produce such an experiment and convince them.
Instead of focusing on those "bad academic professors" that deny the reality of such phenomena why don't your people come up with such an experiment? Oh i know why, because it doesn't exist, so only game you can play is "academia world is blind and is ostracizing us but we know the thruth"

therefore you will now play the card "i can't show you nothing you don't want to see" so you can keep ignoring the fact that i'm actually offering you the chance to prove me wrong but you have not a single way to do that.
You being wrong does not need proof...it is self evident. Lemmings will never realize the nature of the universe through belief...it needs to be realized directly...there is no other way! :)
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
If it happens then it can be proved. If it can be proved, it can be studied. If it can be studied, it can be used.

Are you about to become the most famous and richest person in the world because you can prove telepathy? How exciting for you!!!
If something happens..is it not self evident that it happened...why do you not trust your own lying eyes and requite proof? :)
 

prometheus11

Well-Known Member
If something happens..is it not self evident that it happened...why do you not trust your own lying eyes and requite proof? :)

It's not about me. It's about you. WHOEVER can prove telepathy is on the receiving end of billions of dollars and worldwide fame. If it's as obvious as you claim, somebody should be stepping up for the shot.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
It's not about me. It's about you. WHOEVER can prove telepathy is on the receiving end of billions of dollars and worldwide fame. If it's as obvious as you claim, somebody should be stepping up for the shot.
It is not about me...it is about universal reality.....and what on earth has money got to do with it? I do understand though that you can tell a lot about another's evolutionary maturity when they imagine money could be somehow a motivating factor for mature aspirants in the understanding parapsychology.
 

McBell

Unbound
It is not about me...it is about universal reality.....and what on earth has money got to do with it? I do understand though that you can tell a lot about another's evolutionary maturity when they imagine money could be somehow a motivating factor for mature aspirants in the understanding parapsychology.
Does it bother you that no one is buying your snake oil?
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Does it bother you that no one is buying your snake oil?
Haha...why are those who are ignorant of parapsychology imagine that real understanding can be bought or sold....the metaphor you used reveals more about you than the validity of paranormal reality.... :rolleyes:
 

McBell

Unbound
Haha...why are those who are ignorant of parapsychology imagine that real understanding can be bought or sold....the metaphor you used reveals more about you than the validity of paranormal reality.... :rolleyes:
You failed to answer the question.
No worries.
A straight answer was not expected.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
You failed to answer the question.
No worries.
A straight answer was not expected.
I answered it clearly...that you fail to understand is due to obtuseness on your part....an obtuseness which btw, would bring about acute embarrassment to you if you were not so... :)
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
You have made claim that parapsychologists were scientists.

Sapiens rejected your claim that that they are scientists.

And then you have made another claim that you can list a number of these so-called "scientists".


It is you, George who made the claim about parapsychologists being "scientists" and you being able to provide "a string of names" - not me and not sapiens.

Parapsychology is a pseudoscience, and not a branch or field in science, because it make claims that paranormal activities or psychic abilities being real.

These parapsychologists are not scientists; they are as fraudulent as those who have claim to psychic abilities.
Who officially determines who is a scientist and who is not? It's just an opinion.
 

McBell

Unbound
I answered it clearly...that you fail to understand is due to obtuseness on your part....an obtuseness which btw, would bring about acute embarrassment to you if you were not so... :)
You might want to brush up on your diversion tactics.
You are not very good at them.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Who officially determines who is a scientist and who is not? It's just an opinion.
George.

Parapsychology is pseudoscience; it is not science. Parapsychology is not a recognized field or branch of science, because the subject matters deal with paranormal and supernatural phenomena.

A parapsychologist can be researcher, but he is definitely not a scientist...again, because of the subject matters.

Parapsychology covered ESP, telepathy, psychokinesis, occultism, divination, ghosts, aliens (and ufo), etc. None of these have been verifiable (no evidences).

No academies or universities recognise parapsychology as science. And that's fact, not opinion.

And because of the lack of official recognition, that you believe that parapsychologists are scientists, is just your opinion. The only person expressing opinion, is you.
 
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