The QURAN is the words of the CREATOR him self , thats why it cannot be reproduced ..
Brother when you read the quran open your heart as well as your mind so you can understand it not just reading it ..
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The Creation
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The QURAN is the words of the CREATOR him self , thats why it cannot be reproduced ..
Brother when you read the quran open your heart as well as your mind so you can understand it not just reading it ..
OmarKhayyam
Well-Known Member
Correct!
So-o-o-o wha-a-a-at??!!
No one has written like Shakespeare either or painted like van Gogh or composed like Mozart.
Metempsychosis
Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
African seems to be a reincarnation of Imam.
te_lanus
Alien Hybrid
OmarKhayyam
Well-Known Member
African seems to be a reincarnation of Imam.
And both are examples of the mindless superstitious blind unreasoning fanaticism that has caused so much death and destruction in the last 2K years.
When we EVER get over this crap?!
Correct!
So-o-o-o wha-a-a-at??!!
No one has written like Shakespeare either or painted like van Gogh or composed like Mozart.
Shakespeare ,Van Gogh Mozart , They are merely people blessed with talent any one can be like them ..But not anyone can be like GOD
OmarKhayyam
Well-Known Member
nameless
The Creator
and the books itself approves this, lol
And both are examples of the mindless superstitious blind unreasoning fanaticism that has caused so much death and destruction in the last 2K years.
When we EVER get over this crap?!
Brother there is no need for being offensive we come here to learn from each other if you don't accept my views at least show respect . Thank you
Who caused death and destruction & How ?
Metempsychosis
Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
And both are examples of the mindless superstitious blind unreasoning fanaticism that has caused so much death and destruction in the last 2K years.
When we EVER get over this crap?!
Or Man of Faith
Sorry to both of you,reincarnation is not in Quran
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Metempsychosis
Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
Brother please voice your views without negating other religions.Other religions too have GOD books like Quran.
I do that already with God's words found in the Bhagavad-Gita, a book far more authoritative and engaging than the Qur'an.
I've read bits of the Qur'an. I'm not impressed, frankly.
nameless
The Creator
Continuing ...
What is Evolution and Creationism?
What is Evolution and Creationism?
These discoveries in themselves are not harmful to a healthy belief in Allahs creative power to make whatever He wills in whatever way He wishes. But some scientists have tried to say that everything in the universe, even life itself, happened all by chance and accident, without any Divine intervention.
The name of this theory is Evolution and its most famous advocate was a man named Charles Darwin (1809-1882). He was an Englishman who lived during the nineteenth century when Britain ruled most of the world.
He was keenly interested in the origin of life and took a journey around the world to study the plants and animals of Earth. The ship he sailed on was called the HMS Beagle. He spent a particularly long amount of time on the Galapagos Islands, located in the Pacific ocean, examining birds, lizards and giant turtles.
He came to believe that the variety of life in our world was due to what he called "Natural Selection" and "Survival of the Fittest." He wrote his findings in a book entitled, "On the Origin of Species" which he published in 1859.
The book immediately caused a controversy in the Christian world because Christianity taught that God made life in an instant and that Earth was the center of importance in the universe. Christians also felt threatened by Darwins teachings because they knew it meant he was saying everything happened without needing God. To this day, many Christians still oppose and do battle in court over whether or not these theories should be taught in school.
These Christians advance the counter- idea of Creationism, or God making things all at once, while modern scientists still promote Evolution, or things happening by themselves accidentally, gradually and naturally. The two sides are as far apart as ever.
And both are examples of the mindless superstitious blind unreasoning fanaticism that has caused so much death and destruction in the last 2K years.
When we EVER get over this crap?!
When humans are extinct. Fanaticism is part of our nature. Ever wonder where the term "fan," as in, "I'm your biggest fan!", came from?
Metempsychosis
Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
G. What Do Muslims Believe?
Where do Muslims stand? The answer may surprise you for we can agree with aspects of both sides. Islam teaches us that Allah’s creation is vast and beyond our comprehension. We are also taught that the more we explore and learn, the more we will come to believe in Allah. That is the Islamic position.
So we assert without any hesitation that Allah caused the creation of the universe and that He set up the laws for its functioning. As Allah said:
"Behold! In the creation of space and the Earth and in the changing of night into day are indeed signs for people of understanding. Those who remember Allah standing, sitting and lying down, and contemplate the (wonders) of creation in space and the Earth. (They declare,) "Our Lord! You didn’t create all of this for nothing. So save us from the punishment of the fire." (3:190-191)
Science, then, must increase our faith. It is wrong for anyone to close their eyes to what is right in front of them. For hundreds of years people have been finding fossils, bones and ancient artifacts which point to a hidden past we don’t know much about. Allah even commands us to travel over the Earth and learn from what we see. We humans have now seen much to challenge our understanding!
We know that Earth existed long before the appearance of humans. Allah says, "Wasn’t there a long period of time before humans were even mentioned?" (76:1)
We also know from the geologic timetable that the Earth went through many ages before we came here. And in the ayat that mentions this proof of Allah, we are given a very strong clue about the adaptability of life forms to their environment.
Allah said, "Don’t you see that Allah sends rain from the sky? With it We produce plants of various colors. And in the mountains are colored layers, white and red of various tones and some black in hue. And so too, among humans and crawling creatures and cattle. They are of various colors. Those among Allah’s servants who have knowledge truly fear Him, for Allah is Mighty and Forgiving." (35:27-28)
So while we agree with the Creationists who say Allah made the universe, we disagree with them on how fast it was constructed and that Earth is the only center of focus for the Creator. Allah declares Himself to be the Lord of All the Worlds: Rabb ul Alameen.
Because we do not reject the evidence presented to us by Paleontologists (fossil hunters) and other scientists, we can accept some of what they say, also, about the origins of life on Earth and the existence of dinosaurs and other creatures in the fossil record. However, we read in Allah’s book that He caused it to happen and that by studying it we increase our faith in Him. Therefore, we disagree with those who say everything happened without Allah, by mere chance only.
"To Allah belongs the control of space and the Earth and Allah has power over all things." (3:189)
Ours is the middle position even as Allah said we were created to be the middle community: never going to extremes. (2:143) So we don’t accept, based on the evidence, the final positions of both sides. Rather, we accept what appears to be true and reject what appears to be false from each. The Qur’an is our standard, our determiner, and it has never let us down, nor will it ever do so.
For a Muslim, then, the evidence of dinosaurs, trilobites and ancient algae is not a threat to our beliefs. Rather, it is a confirmation of the power of Allah. As Allah said, "He has created horses and mules for you to ride and show; and He has created other (creatures) that you don’t know." (16:8)
"Allah created every creature from water. Of them are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills for He has power over all things. We have indeed sent signs that make things clear and Allah guides whom He wills to the straight way." (24:45-46)
Who else but Allah could have made such a complex and mysterious universe? (16:40) We must have pity on those who reject the proof of Allah’s existence for they will be the losers in the end.
Remember the ayah that was listed before: Allah says, "He, (Allah,) created humans from a drop of sperm and then the same humans become clear arguers!" (16:4.)
Even a miraculous thing such as the fertilization of the egg cannot convince some people to believe in the creative energy of the Creator of the Universe.
Allah asks rhetorically, "Then what message will they believe in after this?" (77:50)
Where do Muslims stand? The answer may surprise you for we can agree with aspects of both sides. Islam teaches us that Allah’s creation is vast and beyond our comprehension. We are also taught that the more we explore and learn, the more we will come to believe in Allah. That is the Islamic position.
So we assert without any hesitation that Allah caused the creation of the universe and that He set up the laws for its functioning. As Allah said:
"Behold! In the creation of space and the Earth and in the changing of night into day are indeed signs for people of understanding. Those who remember Allah standing, sitting and lying down, and contemplate the (wonders) of creation in space and the Earth. (They declare,) "Our Lord! You didn’t create all of this for nothing. So save us from the punishment of the fire." (3:190-191)
Science, then, must increase our faith. It is wrong for anyone to close their eyes to what is right in front of them. For hundreds of years people have been finding fossils, bones and ancient artifacts which point to a hidden past we don’t know much about. Allah even commands us to travel over the Earth and learn from what we see. We humans have now seen much to challenge our understanding!
We know that Earth existed long before the appearance of humans. Allah says, "Wasn’t there a long period of time before humans were even mentioned?" (76:1)
We also know from the geologic timetable that the Earth went through many ages before we came here. And in the ayat that mentions this proof of Allah, we are given a very strong clue about the adaptability of life forms to their environment.
Allah said, "Don’t you see that Allah sends rain from the sky? With it We produce plants of various colors. And in the mountains are colored layers, white and red of various tones and some black in hue. And so too, among humans and crawling creatures and cattle. They are of various colors. Those among Allah’s servants who have knowledge truly fear Him, for Allah is Mighty and Forgiving." (35:27-28)
So while we agree with the Creationists who say Allah made the universe, we disagree with them on how fast it was constructed and that Earth is the only center of focus for the Creator. Allah declares Himself to be the Lord of All the Worlds: Rabb ul Alameen.
Because we do not reject the evidence presented to us by Paleontologists (fossil hunters) and other scientists, we can accept some of what they say, also, about the origins of life on Earth and the existence of dinosaurs and other creatures in the fossil record. However, we read in Allah’s book that He caused it to happen and that by studying it we increase our faith in Him. Therefore, we disagree with those who say everything happened without Allah, by mere chance only.
"To Allah belongs the control of space and the Earth and Allah has power over all things." (3:189)
Ours is the middle position even as Allah said we were created to be the middle community: never going to extremes. (2:143) So we don’t accept, based on the evidence, the final positions of both sides. Rather, we accept what appears to be true and reject what appears to be false from each. The Qur’an is our standard, our determiner, and it has never let us down, nor will it ever do so.
For a Muslim, then, the evidence of dinosaurs, trilobites and ancient algae is not a threat to our beliefs. Rather, it is a confirmation of the power of Allah. As Allah said, "He has created horses and mules for you to ride and show; and He has created other (creatures) that you don’t know." (16:8)
"Allah created every creature from water. Of them are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills for He has power over all things. We have indeed sent signs that make things clear and Allah guides whom He wills to the straight way." (24:45-46)
Who else but Allah could have made such a complex and mysterious universe? (16:40) We must have pity on those who reject the proof of Allah’s existence for they will be the losers in the end.
Remember the ayah that was listed before: Allah says, "He, (Allah,) created humans from a drop of sperm and then the same humans become clear arguers!" (16:4.)
Even a miraculous thing such as the fertilization of the egg cannot convince some people to believe in the creative energy of the Creator of the Universe.
Allah asks rhetorically, "Then what message will they believe in after this?" (77:50)
Death is caused by life, and destruction is caused by existence.
Both complement each other, and neither can exist without the other.
OmarKhayyam
Well-Known Member
Sorry to both of you,reincarnation is not in Quran
So?
What has that to do with exclusivity and absolutism BOTH of which are in this particular book of fables?
How do u know its more authoritative ?
Metempsychosis
Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
I too have become like African.