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The Creation
- Thread starter AFRICAN
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Tiapan
Grumpy Old Man
The angular momentum of the universe is always conserved. Even though we came from the big bang it had angular momentum, ie it was spinning. That is one hell of a fly wheel. The only way it can spin is if prior to the big bang something eg the previous collapsing universe was spinning as well. Hence evidence of the previous universe. This should be measurable. The problem is the Newtonian vs Mach inconsistency.
The point is if all matter and energy has and will always exist then the statement "Who made the mass and energy" is naive as no one did, it just is. All I have to do is prove that the universe spins then Allah God Creator etc.... ideology may need more modification to fit the facts.
Here I have set a real challenge, I have provided a scientific test, can those who "believe" do the same for their creator
Might get a nobel prize for this. Another Tiapan original. You heard it first on RF. Now where did I put my Hubble telescope.
Cheers
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Sorry brother for violating the rule ..
firstly I am not Imam and there is no comparison, Imam is a man of profound knowledge me am still learning ..
Metempsychosis
Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
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Brother the evidence i have is from the Quran ..
MSizer
MSizer
You claim
But then you posit without supporting evidence or even speculatory basis:
You have already contradicted yourself and proven yourself false in your logic within the first paragraph.
You are making no attempt to clarify truth, but instead, you are trying to support dogma (although I don't think you realize it).
But then you posit without supporting evidence or even speculatory basis:
You have already contradicted yourself and proven yourself false in your logic within the first paragraph.
You are making no attempt to clarify truth, but instead, you are trying to support dogma (although I don't think you realize it).
That is exactly what is required of God. Prove that he is eternal?
The Quran is true. And how do we know God exists? Simple, because it says so in the Quran!
A blinding example of circular reasoning.
OmarKhayyam
Well-Known Member
In which case it can safely be ignored. You have no evidence you book of fables is what you claim it is. You merely asserted to be true what you are trying to prove.
Metempsychosis
Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
MSizer
MSizer
There is no evidence in the Qur'an. It is a book written by men, about things, some of which they did not understand.
Consider the following:
I know that God exists and is omnicient and omnipotent because it says so in the Qur'an. I know it is correct because the it contains the word of God.
Do you not see the absence of foundation in that argument? You can't use one to prove the other unless you first prove one of them by other means.
Do not speak of which your ignorant of ..Thank you
Brother zenzero ,
I am fully awake thank god , you still insist that we are made of energy ok lets say we are i will ask again Where did that Energy come from ?
MSizer
MSizer
For your information, I have read the Qur'an, almost in it's entirety. I own 2 copies of it. Also my best friend all through childhood and high school was a devout muslim. I spent many evening eating dinner with his family (originally from Morroco) and discussing muslim culture and belief. Since I had grown up in a catholic family, we often compared catholic vs. muslim views on many different matters of life. The religions are more similar than they are different.
So, what was that you were saying about ignorance and speaking up AFRICAN?
I just thought I'd inform you so you could no longer be guilty of speaking on matters of which you are ignorant.
Thank you.
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There is a big difference between reading and understanding if your truly understood it you won't be saying what you said ..
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend AFRICAN,
repeat:
you too are made of the same energy as anyone who is has spoken any words till date.
Who spoke those words you repeat????
what is that human made off???
Besides you have offered no evidence/proof of your claims.
Rgds energy - it is a fact which any average intelligent human can inform you.
Love & rgds
repeat:
you too are made of the same energy as anyone who is has spoken any words till date.
Who spoke those words you repeat????
what is that human made off???
Besides you have offered no evidence/proof of your claims.
Rgds energy - it is a fact which any average intelligent human can inform you.
Love & rgds
MSizer
MSizer
I can see where this is going to go. I won't waste either your time or mine any longer on the matter.