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The Creation
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Autodidact
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So, AFRICAN: What I'm getting from your post is that the quran says some stuff, so we should believe it, right?
Metempsychosis
Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
What does African want?Does he want to proselytize members here?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
You're kidding, right? Honestly, no one could be silly enough to make this kind of statement and expect to be taken seriously.
This is a perfect example of my belief that I respect peoples right to believe whatever they wish, but it is expecting a bit much to ask me to respect the beliefs themselves.
Hmmm. It appears you are actually serious. I think that this statement alone is the reason why Islam is ready to collapse like a house of cards.
People cannot sustain this kind of thinking forever. It is simply too absurd.
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Autodidact
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Apparently AFRICAN came here to demonstrate what a silly, superstitious religion Islam is. Is that right, AFRICAN?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
What is just plain weird is that he is probably trying to show the great meaning and wisdom in Islam.
MSizer
MSizer
Let's not forget (for the sake of intelligent muslims) that his views are not necessarily the same as those of anyone else.
OmarKhayyam
Well-Known Member
Maybe African thinks everyone is a potter?
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
So, AFRICAN, is what you're saying that the quran tells us about the natural world, and that's how we know it's correct, because it's correct about creation? Is that right?
How would we go about testing whether the quran is correct about creation? Would we use science for that?
What does the quran say, for example, about planets, stars, and outer space?
How would we go about testing whether the quran is correct about creation? Would we use science for that?
What does the quran say, for example, about planets, stars, and outer space?
MSizer
MSizer
It says that there is a permanent barrier between fresh water and salt water. Tell that to the brackish species living in estuaries. Apparently pufferfish live in environments that god stated are impossible. "sorry puffers, make up your mind, either go upstream where the water is fresh, or get into the ocean. You can't have it both ways 'cuz god said it's impossible. You're defeating god's law.".
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Surrah Al-Mulk - THE SOVEREIGNTY- No. 67- Verse:3-4 (If you want to see how wonderfully this programme functions and how His sovereignty and protection work in absolute harmony, then take a look at the gigantic machinery of the universe.) He has made the various heavenly bodies in outer space in a way that they can maintain complete conformity (and not collide) with each other.Have a good look all around. You will not find any defect or disproportions in the creation of 'Ar-Rahman'. Not once. But look again and again and reflect deeply over it. You will not see any flaws or fissures anywhere. Nothing will be out of sequence or incomplete. verse 3
Turn your vision again towards the vastness of the universe. Do so yet again; and everytime your gaze will fall back upon you, dazzled and tired. (This is the scenario of Our universe which is working according to Our Laws. If the Divine System is introduced in your own society, you too will find such harmony, instead of chaos and disorder.) verse 4
Surrah Nûh - NUH - No. 71- Verse:15 &16 - 19 & 20 (You should observe the balance and harmony that is created when the Divine Laws are followed!) Do you not see how Allah Almighty the Almighty has created various celestial bodies in outer space and how they move in harmony and discipline. They remain firm in their orbits inspite of the tremendous speed with which they move. This is because they do not exist individually. The pull of one becomes a source of stability for the other and in this way the entire celestial system can continue functioning without a clash. On the contrary, visualize your own life and see how your individual interests clash with each other. verse 15
And then how (among these bodies) He has positioned the moon amongst them, as a (reflected) light and the sun as a (radiant) lamp. (But look how dark your life is. Should you also choose to follow the Divine Law, then not only would it brighten your path but you will also become a beacon for others.) verse 16
(He created you on this earth and at the same time, produced a variety of subsistence for you. Firstly) Just think of the earth which, inspite of it being spherical, He made it into a wide expanse so that you may go out wherever you like on its open and spacious paths. verse 19-20
Autodidact
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So the quran says that celestial bodies never crash into each other? Did you know that in fact they do? Wouldn't that tend to disprove, rather than prove, the quran?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
1. But galaxies DO collide and those collisions cause chaos in the two systems involved.
2. Man is NOT made from clay.
Two errors... and you then tell us about Fitra. Why should we believe that Fitra exists when you pretend that the two statements above are wrong? Logically, we should conclude that Fitra is probably also a mistaken hypothesis based in ignorance of human nature. Given that Fitra cannot be proven or falsified does not exactly make it clever thinking. It is simply useless knowledge and being such is little more than trivia.
well if they do collide then its mentioned in the quran ,
and man is made of Clay ask your biology teacher ..
AFRICAN,in your own words and using your own reasoning please explain what your thoughts on creation and why you get Clay comming out of your hands when you rub them together but nobody else does.
OmarKhayyam
Well-Known Member
And quite visibly within the last few years e.g., the comets that struck Jupiter.
Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 (NSSDC)
The belief in these myths, simply believing in them, corrodes human reason.
I submit our devout but ignorant poster is yet another example.i would kindly ask you to do the same explain what your thoughts on creation ?
and clay is produced due to friction of the hands together is a fact ..
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Ahhh... so now there is a possibility that galaxies do collide even though you were quite clear that they do not. So, which is it? Sensing an error yet?
As to my biology teachers, I never heard them ever even remotely suggest that human beings were made of clay or from clay. I did hear that we arose from a primordial "soup" however, but no... they never said a thing about clay. Perhaps they teach different stuff in your country.
I bet next you are going to tell me that there is "no compulsion in religion" even though Muhammad [pbuh] was most certainly compelled by Gabriel to "Recite!"
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