• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

The Creation

AFRICAN

Member
G. What Do Muslims Believe?

Where do Muslims stand? The answer may surprise you for we can agree with aspects of both sides. Islam teaches us that Allah’s creation is vast and beyond our comprehension. We are also taught that the more we explore and learn, the more we will come to believe in Allah. That is the Islamic position.

So we assert without any hesitation that Allah caused the creation of the universe and that He set up the laws for its functioning. As Allah said:

"Behold! In the creation of space and the Earth and in the changing of night into day are indeed signs for people of understanding. Those who remember Allah standing, sitting and lying down, and contemplate the (wonders) of creation in space and the Earth. (They declare,) "Our Lord! You didn’t create all of this for nothing. So save us from the punishment of the fire." (3:190-191)

Science, then, must increase our faith. It is wrong for anyone to close their eyes to what is right in front of them. For hundreds of years people have been finding fossils, bones and ancient artifacts which point to a hidden past we don’t know much about. Allah even commands us to travel over the Earth and learn from what we see. We humans have now seen much to challenge our understanding!

We know that Earth existed long before the appearance of humans. Allah says, "Wasn’t there a long period of time before humans were even mentioned?" (76:1)

We also know from the geologic timetable that the Earth went through many ages before we came here. And in the ayat that mentions this proof of Allah, we are given a very strong clue about the adaptability of life forms to their environment.

Allah said, "Don’t you see that Allah sends rain from the sky? With it We produce plants of various colors. And in the mountains are colored layers, white and red of various tones and some black in hue. And so too, among humans and crawling creatures and cattle. They are of various colors. Those among Allah’s servants who have knowledge truly fear Him, for Allah is Mighty and Forgiving." (35:27-28)

So while we agree with the Creationists who say Allah made the universe, we disagree with them on how fast it was constructed and that Earth is the only center of focus for the Creator. Allah declares Himself to be the Lord of All the Worlds: Rabb ul Alameen.

Because we do not reject the evidence presented to us by Paleontologists (fossil hunters) and other scientists, we can accept some of what they say, also, about the origins of life on Earth and the existence of dinosaurs and other creatures in the fossil record. However, we read in Allah’s book that He caused it to happen and that by studying it we increase our faith in Him. Therefore, we disagree with those who say everything happened without Allah, by mere chance only.

"To Allah belongs the control of space and the Earth and Allah has power over all things." (3:189)

Ours is the middle position even as Allah said we were created to be the middle community: never going to extremes. (2:143) So we don’t accept, based on the evidence, the final positions of both sides. Rather, we accept what appears to be true and reject what appears to be false from each. The Qur’an is our standard, our determiner, and it has never let us down, nor will it ever do so.

For a Muslim, then, the evidence of dinosaurs, trilobites and ancient algae is not a threat to our beliefs. Rather, it is a confirmation of the power of Allah. As Allah said, "He has created horses and mules for you to ride and show; and He has created other (creatures) that you don’t know." (16:8)

"Allah created every creature from water. Of them are some that creep on their bellies, some that walk on two legs and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills for He has power over all things. We have indeed sent signs that make things clear and Allah guides whom He wills to the straight way." (24:45-46)

Who else but Allah could have made such a complex and mysterious universe? (16:40) We must have pity on those who reject the proof of Allah’s existence for they will be the losers in the end.

Remember the ayah that was listed before: Allah says, "He, (Allah,) created humans from a drop of sperm and then the same humans become clear arguers!" (16:4.)

Even a miraculous thing such as the fertilization of the egg cannot convince some people to believe in the creative energy of the Creator of the Universe.

Allah asks rhetorically, "Then what message will they believe in after this?" (77:50)

Thank you brother ..
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
How do u know its more authoritative ?

I've read a few Surahs of the Qur'an, and I've read the Bhagavad-Gita many times. I enjoy the Bhagavad-Gita far more, it paints a picture of God that is far more Supreme than any King God, for Govinda does not judge and is not wrathful, nor does Govinda deny union with him to anyone at any time; ultimately all will know Govinda without exception, and all will be worthy of it.

The Bhagavad-Gita is authoritative like the Sermon on the Mount, for it can be for all people, even non-theists. Such texts are universal; anyone can find spiritual value in them.

The Qur'an paints a picture of God modeled after human kings. That's fine for that area in that time period, but it's not very universal.

Understand, I do not currently have an opinion as to whether or not the Qur'an is God's word, as I have not read it all the way yet. I do not have time to do so right now, and when I do, I'm going to read the Surahs in the accepted order they were revealed in rather than the standard order they appear in.
 

OmarKhayyam

Well-Known Member
Brother there is no need for being offensive we come here to learn from each other if you don't accept my views at least show respect . Thank you

Who caused death and destruction & How ?

Respect for what, medieval superstition? Why?

Death and destruction are simply part of the universe. There is no "cause" (expect when referring to specific events.) They are both necessary as part of the functioning of the universe. They have no significance beyond that.
 

Metempsychosis

Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
I've read a few Surahs of the Qur'an, and I've read the Bhagavad-Gita many times. I enjoy the Bhagavad-Gita far more, it paints a picture of God that is far more Supreme than any King God, for Govinda does not judge and is not wrathful, nor does Govinda deny union with him to anyone at any time; ultimately all will know Govinda without exception, and all will be worthy of it.

The Bhagavad-Gita is authoritative like the Sermon on the Mount, for it can be for all people, even non-theists. Such texts are universal; anyone can find spiritual value in them.

Hindus are biggest idol worshipers,Krishna was a man not God.Buddha is a great social reformer .Say Allahu Akbar and be fearless.:D:D

I have become a reincarnation of African .Krishna words coming true,allah....................................lol
 
Last edited by a moderator:

AFRICAN

Member
I've read a few Surahs of the Qur'an, and I've read the Bhagavad-Gita many times. I enjoy the Bhagavad-Gita far more, it paints a picture of God that is far more Supreme than any King God, for Govinda does not judge and is not wrathful, nor does Govinda deny union with him to anyone at any time; ultimately all will know Govinda without exception, and all will be worthy of it.

The Bhagavad-Gita is authoritative like the Sermon on the Mount, for it can be for all people, even non-theists. Such texts are universal; anyone can find spiritual value in them.

The Qur'an paints a picture of God modeled after human kings. That's fine for that area in that time period, but it's not very universal.

Understand, I do not currently have an opinion as to whether or not the Qur'an is God's word, as I have not read it all the way yet. I do not have time to do so right now, and when I do, I'm going to read the Surahs in the accepted order they were revealed in rather than the standard order they appear in.

its good to know you believe in a CREATOR ..by the way the Quran also is for all people , i do understand and when you do read the Quran remember to open your Heart by god wiling you will be guided ..
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Hindus are biggest idol worshipers,Krishna was a man not God.Buddha is a great social reformer .Say Allahu Akbar and be fearless.:D:D

I have become a reincarnation of African .Krishna words coming true,allah....................................lol

I don't believe Buddha to have been God, and I don't worship God as Krishna. I'M A SHAIVITE, REMEMBER?! Hail Lord Ganesha!! Son of God, Lord Shiva, and the God with ... the... elephant... .... head.... SHUT UP!
 
Last edited:

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
its good to know you believe in a CREATOR ..by the way the Quran also is for all people , i do understand and when you do read the Quran remember to open your Heart by god wiling you will be guided ..

I believe in the Supreme Brahman, who was, is, and always will be, who is one without a second, absolute reality, and ONE WITH (this part's important) and separate from the material universe, which is temporary.

Another things: when I do read the Qur'an, I'll read it with the teachings of the Sufis in mind.
 

Metempsychosis

Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
(just edited the post, btw)

I'm more of a Shaiva monist, actually. I don't believe everything Satguru Sivaya Subrayamuniswami (... yeesh these NAMES!!!) says.

There are many Siddars hanging around near my area,we will get hold of them.:D:D
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
There are many Siddars hanging around near my area,we will get hold of them.:D:D

There aren't very many Hindus where I am... though there is a single Shaivite temple near where I live, though for some odd reason, the nearest ISKCON temple is hours away!! I thought Srila Prabhupada set something up in San Fransisco!
 

AFRICAN

Member
I believe in the Supreme Brahman, who was, is, and always will be, who is one without a second, absolute reality, and ONE WITH (this part's important) and separate from the material universe, which is temporary.

Another things: when I do read the Qur'an, I'll read it with the teachings of the Sufis in mind.

Some sects misunderstood the purpose of religion including Sufis ..
 

Metempsychosis

Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
There aren't very many Hindus where I am... though there is a single Shaivite temple near where I live, though for some odd reason, the nearest ISKCON temple is hours away!! I thought Srila Prabhupada set something up in San Fransisco!

Dont worry Siddhas travel at will.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Peace & Blessings ,

I have no goal or intention except to clarify the truth and follow it ,to make falsehood clear and to avoid it ,and to enjoin goodness & forbid evil .Only god is the one who helps and i place my trust in him ,There is no power or strength except by god before i start let me remind you of god's words
"And if you dispute about anything,refer back to Allah (God) and his messenger if you truly believe in Allah and the last day "[4:59]

In this post by god willing i will discuss two things CREATION and The Message
First i will start with CREATION .
I understand Some of you Do not believe that we are created i will try my best to clear things up so bare with me thank you ...
P.s
Post might be long so i will try and be more concise

The Origin of Life .

Why Does Allah Tell Us About the Creation?
The Holy Qur’an is the book given to us by the Creator of the Universe. Allah, (literally: THE God) which is His personal Name, knows us best and is aware that humans can be very SKEPTICAL creatures.

Allah points out, "...if you were to seek a tunnel into the earth or a ladder into the skies and bring them a sign, (they still wouldn’t be convinced.) If it were Allah’s will, He could gather them all into true guidance, so don’t be among those who are influenced by ignorance." (6:35)


Allah, the Keeper of Wisdom, makes it a point to give as many proofs in the Qur’an about His existence and creative abilities as possible so the maximum number of humans can be guided. We need proof, and Allah gives us that proof. (2:26, 40:57)"


Assuredly the creation of the heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of mankind; but most of mankind know not. (57) And the blind man and the seer are not equal, neither are those who believe and do good works (equal with) the evil-doer. Little do ye reflect! (58) Lo! the Hour is surely coming, there is no doubt thereof; yet most of mankind believe not. (59) And your Lord hath said: Pray unto Me and I will hear your prayer. Lo! those who scorn My service, they will enter hell, disgraced. (60) Allah it is Who hath appointed for you night that ye may rest therein, and day for seeing. Lo! Allah is a Lord of bounty for mankind, yet most of mankind give not thanks. (61) Such is Allah, your Lord, the Creator of all things, There is no God save Him. How then are ye perverted? (62) Thus are they perverted who deny the revelations of Allah. (63) Allah it is Who appointed for you the earth for a dwelling-place and the sky for a canopy, and fashioned you and perfected your shapes, and hath provided you with good things. Such is Allah, your Lord. Then blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Worlds! (64) He is the Living One. There is no God save Him. So pray unto Him, making religion pure for Him (only). Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds! (65)Surat Ghafir .
Allah, of course, does not need us to follow Him, or believe in Him. As He states, "Allah can do without them and Allah is free of all needs." (64:6)


He merely wishes that people would choose to believe in Him so He can reward them for their choice. Allah is ready to forgive even those who acted wrongly if they but ask for His forgiveness.


In a Hadith, or saying of the Blessed Prophet Muhammad, we learn, "When Allah decreed the creation (of the universe,) He set down in His book which is with Him, ‘Indeed, My mercy is stronger than My wrath.’" (Bukhari & Muslim. Also see 6:12)


Among the proofs given in the Qur’an for us to learn from is a very detailed explanation of the different features of the universe, how it was made and how the planets and stars were formed. Allah says that, "To Him is due the origin of space and the Earth." (6:101)


Of course, most people who lived at the Prophet’s time would never have understood what those ayat really meant, but they accepted them anyway and interpreted them as best they could. Sometimes they came up with very interesting explanations.


Allah instructs us to accept everything in the Qur’an, even if we don’t yet know how to understand it. The understanding of the Qur’an grows with each passing generation. As He said, "The intelligent people declare, ‘We believe in the book, the whole of it is from our Lord." (3:7)

Firstly IMAM,sorry AFRICAN this does come across a preaching and as has been said by others what is your take on it ,personally i mean.
 
Top