The Creationist's Argument and its Greatest Weakness

[BilliardsBall]

No, just because people are willing to correct some of the errors in the gospels does not mean that they are against it. Jesus's teachings were not totally worthless, as you seem to think.

I wrote GOSPEL not GOSPELS, and about a dozen times on this thread.

 

[BilliardsBall]

No, I am pointing out the terrible holes in your faith. According to your beliefs a pedophile that asked for forgiveness at the end of his life would go to heaven, where an atheist that led an almost "sinless" life would go to hell. simply because your God contradicts himself so much that no sane person can believe in him. You keep painting your God as an immoral monster.

No one is "denying" a savior that is too afraid to show himself. If anything Jesus denies himself. By your logic he should be in hell.

Again, you are harsher than God. ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS MEANS NOTHING TO YOU IN RELATIONSHIPS.

 

[BilliardsBall]

You either didn't read the above or you willfully failed to comprehend it.

You say I should compare it to me getting "beatings, scourging and a crucifixion". How silly.

I correctly compared Jesus "beatings, scourging and a crucifixion" to you getting a mosquito bite. You can't even show my analogy is wrong.

Your analogy is correct, as I wrote. One man suffering is small compared to the universe (large compared to atoms).

One man's suffering is not EASY, since I see atheists whine about human suffering often. YOU could SHOW yourself how easy a cross is, if God forbid, you were martyred upon one.

You ignored all I've written several times now about GOD DYING, SPLITTING ON THE CROSS. But then again, you are programmed to ignore what lies outside your god box. My God isn't in your small box.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Why do you make things up?

I apologize. You DON'T believe atheists are good. You believe they DESERVE Hell. Sorry for "making things up".

 

[Subduction Zone]

I wrote GOSPEL not GOSPELS, and about a dozen times on this thread.

So what?

 

[Audie]

I apologize. You DON'T believe atheists are good. You believe they DESERVE Hell. Sorry for "making things up".

It is one of those things, everyone can see it but\you.
As with an alcoholic, you will never get better
as long as you keep denying the problem.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Again, you are harsher than God. ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS MEANS NOTHING TO YOU IN RELATIONSHIPS.

Hardly. Your God is petty and vindictive. I believe that people should pay for there wrong doings and that excessive punishment is wrong. Your God fails at both of these and the latter he take abysmally.

 

[Audie]

So what?

It is what would technically be called a distinciton
without a difference.

You take something like this-

Top Gospel Singers | List of Best Gospel Music Artists of All Time

Gospel, singular.

Perhaps our hero of the meaningless distinction would
take this to mean, expect everyone to understand, that
there is just one "gospel" what they sings about.
No stinkin' cross contamination from them other
gospels! Not for GOSPEL singers.


In the event, he is just trying to get out of having
made up that crap about "hating" the "gospel"(s).

 

[Audie]

Hardly. Your God is petty and vindictive. I believe that people should pay for there wrong doings and that excessive punishment is wrong. Your God fails at both of these and the latter he take abysmally.

Pardon me, sir, but is this an accurate statement from BB?

ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS MEANS NOTHING TO YOU IN RELATIONSHIPS.

Or did he make that up?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Pardon me, sir, but is this an accurate statement from BB?

ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS MEANS NOTHING TO YOU IN RELATIONSHIPS.

Or did he make that up?

Of course not. I tend to ignore most of his falsehoods otherwise I would be constantly calling him a liar and that would not get us anywhere.

 

[Audie]

Of course not. I tend to ignore most of his falsehoods otherwise I would be constantly calling him a liar and that would not get us anywhere.

Might just put them in bold?

 

[ecco]

First of all, I was talking about the impact on the totality of God. God did not die.

Your belief is that God is eternal. Your belief is that a portion of your God, in the form of Jesus, lived on earth for 30 years, mostly in obscurity. Then for as couple of years preached to the masses and died on a cross. Do you know how infinitesimally small 30 years is compared to eternity? Do you know how infinitesimally minor a day on a cross is to an omnipotent being? Consider seeing a mosquito land on your arm and allowing it to bite. The pain and suffering you inflicted upon yourself is untold times worse than the pain and suffering of "God's sacrifice". It's amazing that you cannot comprehend this.

You ignored all I've written several times now about GOD DYING, SPLITTING ON THE CROSS. But then again, you are programmed to ignore what lies outside your god box. My God isn't in your small box.

You accuse me of ignoring what you wrote about God dying. I didn't ignore it. I addressed it. I refuted it. I did not ignore it.

There are only two reasons for you to assert that I ignored what you wrote:

1. You did not read what I wrote, in other words, you ignored it.
2. You do not understand the meaning of the word "ignore".

Which is it?

How can you claim God Died when you believe God is alive?
How can you claim God Died when you believe Jesus, God the Father and The Holy Ghost are all one and the same?

At best only a tiny fragment of Jesus-God-the-Father-The-Holy-Ghost died and then it was just for a tiny interval - like the pain suffered by you from a mosquito bite.

 

[Audie]

You accuse me of ignoring what you wrote about God dying. I didn't ignore it. I addressed it. I refuted it. I did not ignore it.

There are only two reasons for you to assert that I ignored what you wrote:

1. You did not read what I wrote, in other words, you ignored it.
2. You do not understand the meaning of the word "ignore".

.

Sheesh, another example already

 

[BilliardsBall]

You accuse me of ignoring what you wrote about God dying. I didn't ignore it. I addressed it. I refuted it. I did not ignore it.

There are only two reasons for you to assert that I ignored what you wrote:

1. You did not read what I wrote, in other words, you ignored it.
2. You do not understand the meaning of the word "ignore".

Which is it?

How can you claim God Died when you believe God is alive?
How can you claim God Died when you believe Jesus, God the Father and The Holy Ghost are all one and the same?

At best only a tiny fragment of Jesus-God-the-Father-The-Holy-Ghost died and then it was just for a tiny interval - like the pain suffered by you from a mosquito bite.

The man who died was a tiny fragment, yes, but death is separation, not cessation, ultimately. The "dead" go to Hell or Heaven, consciously, they don't "cease being". Jesus tasted death for all, meaning the eternal, triune godhead was ripped apart. Jesus anticipated this suffering, and perspired blood.

Death is separation and the triune God separated for the crucifixion, Jesus condemned, God cannot have part with uncleanness, the Bible says Jesus became imperfect/sinful/unclean for us that we would become perfect/sinless/clean. Jesus despised the shame of the cross, became a curse word (per prophecy where people would curse the Messiah instead of the Father, using "Jesus Christ" as invective), etc.

Finally as I wrote, I see where a person dying is important to us but also a mote in the universe, but I do not relish a beating, scourging and crucifixion. Trivializing it seems wrong. How can skeptics keep the double standard of "no one innocent, like a child, should ever suffer, but innocent Christ dying for me is not really important suffering"?

 

[Audie]

How can skeptics keep the double standard of "no one innocent, like a child, should ever suffer, but innocent Christ dying for me is not really important suffering"?

A phony question quoting something never
said nor anywhere here implied that you may
decry a non existent double standard.

 

[BilliardsBall]

A phony question quoting something never
said nor anywhere here implied that you may
decry a non existent double standard.

Do you sing other tunes? This record is broken. If I'm such a falsifying miscreant, why do you even talk to me? Stop patronizing me. Ask a question--I know God and can tell you the answer--don't waste my time.

 

[viole]

The man who died was a tiny fragment, yes, but death is separation, not cessation, ultimately. The "dead" go to Hell or Heaven, consciously, they don't "cease being". Jesus tasted death for all, meaning the eternal, triune godhead was ripped apart. Jesus anticipated this suffering, and perspired blood.

Death is separation and the triune God separated for the crucifixion, Jesus condemned, God cannot have part with uncleanness, the Bible says Jesus became imperfect/sinful/unclean for us that we would become perfect/sinless/clean. Jesus despised the shame of the cross, became a curse word (per prophecy where people would curse the Messiah instead of the Father, using "Jesus Christ" as invective), etc.

Finally as I wrote, I see where a person dying is important to us but also a mote in the universe, but I do not relish a beating, scourging and crucifixion. Trivializing it seems wrong. How can skeptics keep the double standard of "no one innocent, like a child, should ever suffer, but innocent Christ dying for me is not really important suffering"?

Don’t make it so big please. You advertize it as something so awesome, when it is not. Your Jesus did not suffer all that much. And He knew from the start how it would unfold, according to the myth.

You call a short weekend out of office, to return as the emperor of the Universe, something that could be used to even remotely mention the word “sacrifice”?

That is not a big deal, believe me. Everybody would do that. It is like going through some ordeals, knowing that big dad will help you out in any case.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Audie]

Do you sing other tunes? This record is broken. If I'm such a falsifying miscreant, why do you even talk to me? Stop patronizing me. Ask a question--I know God and can tell you the answer--don't waste my time.

Ah so, the fault is in those who point out your
falsehoods, not in you.

Far from cleaning up your act that discredits
you and your faith both, you want people to
just accept whatever you make up about them?

Have you, like, considered not doing it anymore?
Quit making things up and sing a true tune?

Q about "god"? I would not ask you.

You' ve no credibility, even if
there were a god.

 

[ecco]

The man who died was a tiny fragment, yes, but death is separation, not cessation, ultimately.

EXACTLY! Remember, we were talking about the sacrifice that God made by allowing his only begotten son etc, blah, blah, blah.

I'm glad you admit that it really wasn't much of a sacrifice.

Jesus tasted death for all, meaning the eternal, triune godhead was ripped apart.

"Ripped apart"? My you do have a flair for the dramatic. What was ripped apart? God created a subset of himself in a separate place (earth).

the Bible says Jesus became imperfect/sinful/unclean for us that we would become perfect/sinless/clean.

Are you "perfect/sinless/clean"? I guess that was another part of God's plan that didn't work out as He, with His omniscience, thought it would.

How can skeptics keep the double standard of "no one innocent, like a child, should ever suffer, but innocent Christ dying for me is not really important suffering"?

Well, for one thing, skeptics don't believe a single word of it. Therefore, no double standard on our part.

You however, get all teary eyed at God's momentary suffering but praise God for horrifically killing almost all of humanity by drowning them or burying them alive in mudslides. That's the epitome of a double standard.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Don’t make it so big please. You advertize it as something so awesome, when it is not. Your Jesus did not suffer all that much. And He knew from the start how it would unfold, according to the myth.

You call a short weekend out of office, to return as the emperor of the Universe, something that could be used to even remotely mention the word “sacrifice”?

That is not a big deal, believe me. Everybody would do that. It is like going through some ordeals, knowing that big dad will help you out in any case.

Ciao

- viole

You're possibly right. Scourging and beatings, then death by torture for hours, isn't a big deal, even though it was focused on one person. That one person didn't really suffer for anyone else, even though He was innocent, pure. Thanks for clarifying this.