The creator did it.

[sooda]

This the typical example illiteracy. Your first sentence, as stated, gives the view that it's teetering on the mountain top. that is ridiculous! The Ark would in the exact spot God determined. If it be somewhere on the mountain, that where it would rest.
Your second sentence presupposes "fanciful fiction" in your own mind and shows you have done nothing to search out truth, you just making negative statements you know nothing about.

There is no Ark in the mountains.. These are conjobs by BASE and Ron Wyatt.

These guys are swindlers.. They want your money.

 

[Rapture Era]

Hay, rope and tools?

No such things were ever found at Mount Ararat, certainly not from the Bronze Age. Who has been telling these nonsenses?

You are missing the point I said who would be stupid enough to haul great timbers and all the tools up to this elevation need to create this hoax?
And you are right no tools or leftover materials were found because there weren't any! This should logically tell you this is no hoax! But reason, logic and common sense seems to be elusive here from many.

You still don’t understand that if you make a claim then you must either provide evidences to your claim, or provide your sources for this claim.
Without either or both, then you are either making baseless speculation or you are making things up.

The evidence is on the mountain with photos and video, the sources are those that have been there (multiple groups) over decades.
You make a claim it's not there, how do you know? This is how I know, because I believe what God says, and with respect to this topic, he says this:
GENESIS 8:
1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded.
2 Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky.
3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.
5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible.
6 After forty days Noah opened a window he had made in the ark
7 and sent out a raven, and it kept flying back and forth until the water had dried up from the earth.
8 Then he sent out a dove to see if the water had receded from the surface of the ground.
9 But the dove could find nowhere to perch because there was water over all the surface of the earth; so it returned to Noah in the ark. He reached out his hand and took the dove and brought it back to himself in the ark.
10He waited seven more days and again sent out the dove from the ark.
11 When the dove returned to him in the evening, there in its beak was a freshly plucked olive leaf! Then Noah knew that the water had receded from the earth.
12 He waited seven more days and sent the dove out again, but this time it did not return to him.
13 By the first day of the first month of Noah’s six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry.
14 By the twenty-seventh day of the second month the earth was completely dry.
15 Then God said to Noah,
16 “Come out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons and their wives.
17 Bring out every kind of living creature that is with you—the birds, the animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground—so they can multiply on the earth and be fruitful and increase in number on it.”
18 So Noah came out, together with his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives.
19 All the animals and all the creatures that move along the ground and all the birds—everything that moves on land—came out of the ark, one kind after another.

 

[Polymath257]

You are missing the point I said who would be stupid enough to haul great timbers and all the tools up to this elevation need to create this hoax?

I once read a claim (which I'm not sure I believe, but it is possible) that the Byzantines decided it would be a good 'offering' to God to make a copy of the ark and put it on Ararat. As I recall, this was supposedly done in the 12th century or so.

Now, was it actually done? I don't know. Was the source where I read this reliable? i don't know, but I have not seen the claim anywhere else. is it beyond the realm of possibility? Not given how the Byzantines were, no.

The point is that they were making this copy as a religious devotion.

 

[Rapture Era]

I once read a claim (which I'm not sure I believe, but it is possible) that the Byzantines decided it would be a good 'offering' to God to make a copy of the ark and put it on Ararat. As I recall, this was supposedly done in the 12th century or so.Now, was it actually done? I don't know. Was the source where I read this reliable? i don't know, but I have not seen the claim anywhere else. is it beyond the realm of possibility? Not given how the Byzantines were, no.
The point is that they were making this copy as a religious devotion.

Okay, lets say for the sake of discussion, that this fake Ark was created by the Byzantines "who decided it would be a good 'offering' to God to make a copy of the ark and put it on Ararat."
First of all, what comes to mind is logistics. Can you imagine what it would take to transport all of the huge wooden beams up the side of that mountain, along with all the tools needed construct it? It's difficult enough just to scale this mountain let alone do it in the extreme weather that changes constantly. If they wanted to offer a huge structure like this, it would be easier to do it at the base of the mountain not over 10,000 feet. It makes no sense at all that anyone would do this. I would say it is beyond the realm of probability which puts it in the "Impossible" category. But that's just me.
Secondly, it is important to understand that at that time before Jesus came in human flesh, sacrificial offerings to God were performed with the most perfect animals one had. Why? Because God sacrificed his only son who was perfect and bled to death on the cross for the remission of sins and by him doing this, created the only way into heaven by believing who he is and what he did. The two thieves that were next to him is a perfect example of this.
Also, when you read the account of Cain and Able, why did God honor Able's offering not honor Cain's?

 

[ecco]

Everything you mention here is exactly who you are, except you can substitute "God did it" with "Evolution did it."

• Everything you mention here is exactly who you are, except you can substitute "God did it" with "Geology did it"
• Everything you mention here is exactly who you are, except you can substitute "God did it" with "Physics did it."
• Everything you mention here is exactly who you are, except you can substitute "God did it" with "Archeology did it."
• Everything you mention here is exactly who you are, except you can substitute "God did it" with "Astronomy did it."

You should know that all of those disciplines refute Genesis just as much as evolution does. In your opinion, all of the sciences are wrong and 6000-year-old stories are right. How silly.

 

[ecco]

"And the grand daddy of them all, maybe the
biggest whopper in earth "history"- Noahs Ark."

Well, here it is! It's been discovered!
Tell me, what is this huge wooden structure doing at over 11,000 feet in the Ararat Mountains covered in ice? Here is your granddaddy whopper! No matter how you try to debunk this, the FACT is, this massive wooden vessel with two levels they have see so far is there! How did it get there? Here is the ultimate truth and massive evidence of Noah's Ark!
What do you say now?

Genesis 8:3-5
…3The waters receded steadily from the earth, and after 150 days the waters had gone down. 4On the seventeenth day of the seventh month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. 5And the waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month, the tops of the mountains became visible.…

Is gullibility a Godly virtue? Or are the smileys there to show that even you don't really believe what you linked?

 

[ecco]

If its a hoax,

IF?
excerpts..with my emphases.

Another Ark flash-in-the-pan discovery​

An announcement that not only has Noah’s Ark been found (again!) on Mount Ararat (Ağrı Dağı), but also that complete wooden chambers are preserved is a story that, if true, would change the way in which most people view the world.

The photograph of a wooden chamber reproduced by many newpapers

If true, this is remarkable indeed. ... So how well does the evidence stand up to scrutiny?

Firstly, there is the dating. Noah’s Ark Ministries International has not released any details of the radiocarbon dating. We do not know what was dated or what the actual results were.

Secondly, there is the location of the ‘discovery’. The team from Noah’s Ark Ministries International has refused to divulge where on the mountain they found the remains. ... The first question we must ask is why the secrecy?

Secondly, if the remains are embedded in glacial ice, they are part of a moving body of water, albeit one moving at a very slow speed. ... even at the most generously slow rate of flow, any Ark landing on the very summit of Mount Ararat would have been carried the length of a glacier in just over 1400 years. We must explain why something claimed to be 4800 years old has not been carried down by the glacial flow.

Worse still, Dr Robert Cargill has done some investigation into Noah’s Ark Ministries International and has discovered that it is an arm of Media Evangelism Ltd of Hong Kong, a “charitable Christian organization committed to building a Christian media presence by using every modern means of communication to promote the kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ”.

Even believers in Noah’s flood as an historic event are distancing themselves from the claims of Noah’s Ark Ministries International.


Apparently fresh straw in a 4,800 year old chamber?

Most damning, despite Noah’s Ark Ministries International’s attempts to spin a bad situation, Dr Randall Price has given his version of the 2008 expedition. According to an email written to a student, the photographs of the interior of the structures were taken inside genuine structures in another part of Turkey, close to the Black Sea. He believes that the wooden beams filmed by the team in a cave on Mount Ararat in 2009 were taken from the site of the real structures onto Mount Ararat by Kurdish workers for the Chinese team; at least, that’s what he says he was told by one of those workers. Randall Price points out that some of the photographs alleged to have been taken inside the frozen Ark have cobwebs, an impossibility in sub-zero temperatures. Several of the photographs also show hay or straw inside the wooden chambers, which must also raise suspicions. Randall Price is a respected archaeologist who has excavated at Qumran and committed evangelical Christian who believes that the remains of Noah’s Ark may some day be found on the mountain, so we must take his accusations of fraud very seriously indeed: he has an interest in the discovery of a genuine Noah’s Ark.

So what is the moral of this story? It’s not a moral about Noah’s Ark or the gullibility of religious believers.

It’s a moral about the way the world’s press is prepared to hype sensational ‘discoveries’, repeating the claims of press releases without even doing the most basic checking.

But the really worrying part of this is that those readers of The Daily Mail, The Daily Express or any other of the so-called ‘newspapers’ that published this ludicrous story will have come away with the impression that Noah’s Ark really has been found.

That’s the danger: the reinforcement of a superstition-based mindset that underpins western culture.​

 

[He has Risen!]

What if it is the real Ark of Noah? Would any of you change your mind about the bible being true? What if someone came back from the dead and told you about the after life that confirmed the bible, would you then believe? Be honest and answer the two questions if you are willing to. If you do not want to believe, just say so.

 

[joelr]

One of the first people to dispute the traditional dating of Daniel was Porphyry, a pagan philosopher whose arguments have been preseved by Jerome. He argues that some of the prophecies in Daniel are so congruent to the time of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, the book must have been written during his time (175-164 BC).

Arguments for early/late date of authorship of Daniel

Right but that has nothing to do with the post you responded to. That was regarding gospel dates and any evidence for Jesus, which is also what the video deals with.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What if it is the real Ark of Noah? Would any of you change your mind about the bible being true? What if someone came back from the dead and told you about the after life that confirmed the bible, would you then believe? Be honest and answer the two questions if you are willing to. If you do not want to believe, just say so.

If there was reliable evidence for miraculous events in the Bible of course it would affect us. But the fact is that all of the evidence out there tells us that there was no flood of Noah. Just as all of the scientific evidence supports the theory of evolution. The evidence against Genesis is so overwhelming that to believe the Genesis myths also implies that one believes that God lies.

Does God lie in your beliefs? Would that not be devastating for your beliefs? If God lies how can you trust any of his claims?

 

[joelr]

What if it is the real Ark of Noah? Would any of you change your mind about the bible being true? What if someone came back from the dead and told you about the after life that confirmed the bible, would you then believe? Be honest and answer the two questions if you are willing to. If you do not want to believe, just say so.

First of all there is a database of NDE (near death experiences) where people have clinically died but came back to life and have had experiences.
Very few are religious experiences but when they are they always reflect the persons personal religion. Hindu see Krishna, Buddhist will see some type of Buddha and so on so that provides zero evidence of any one religion being true. Weather this is a type of hallucination or real experience it's clear that ideas in the persons mind influence what they see.
But most experiences are non-religious and have no connection to religious ideologies in any way.
Thinking that because there is life after death it must mean the Jewish/Christian infatuation with sin and substitutionary magic blood sacrifice cult is what it's all about is rather naive.
Going by NDEs in fact it isn't. There is no sin and Jesus or any of that in the vast majority of those experiences.

Asking about Noahs Ark is like asking "what if Thor's hammer was found, would you worship Odin?"
The Ark and flood mythology goes far back before Christianity. The Babylonian Flood itself predates the biblical story by 30,000 years,

"
Ancient flood and ark myths common
Rather than being a historical figure who was the progenitor of three races, Noah is a fictitious character found in the mythologies of a number of different cultures globally, as opposed to being limited to one area and its specific peoples. The Bible story represents a rehash of other myths, changed to revolve around these particular peoples.

Like other biblical tales, the myth of Noah is found in India, Egypt, Babylon, Sumer and other places. The fact is that there have been floods and deluge stories in many different parts of the world, including but not limited to the Middle East. In the Sumerian tale, which predated the biblical by thousands of years, the ark was built by Ziusudra; in Akkad, he was Atrakhasis, and in Babylon, Uta-Napisthim. The Greek Noah was called Deucalion, "who repopulated the earth after the waters subsided" and after the ark landed on Mt. Parnassos. The Armenian flood hero was called Xisuthros, "whose ark landed on Mt. Ararat." Noah's "history" can likewise be found in India, where there is a "tomb of Nuh" near the river Gagra in the district of Oude or Oudh, which may be related to Judea and Judah. The "ark-preserved" Indian Noah was also called "Menu."

Like Noah, the Sumero-Armenian Ziusudra/Xisuthros had three sons, including one named "Japetosthes," essentially the same as Noah's son Japheth, also related to Pra-japati or Jvapeti, son of the Indian Menu, whose other sons possessed virtually the same names as those of Noah, i.e., Shem and Ham. As Oxford University Hebrew professor George Henry Bateson Wright says in Was Israel ever in Egypt? (51):

JAPHETH - Ewald...shows, with great probability, that this was a god of the north, as Ham was of the south, once again in imitation of Hindu mythology. Moreover, the fact, that in the Armenian legend, derived from "Assyrian or Babylonian documents," the three sons of Xisuthros, who corresponds to Noah, are Zervin, Titan, and Japetosthe, is very instructive, suggesting that the unknown foreign word was retained in its original form...

"Coincidentally," it was said that the Egyptian god Osiris was shut up in his ark on the very same day that Noah was likewise so disposed, as I relate in Suns of God (90):

When Osiris's enemies pursue him, he enters into his "boat" on precisely the same date recorded of "Noah's" entrance into his ark, Athyr 17th...long before the biblical tale was invented. Noah is not a Jewish "patriarch" but a sun god, and the tale of entering and exiting the Ark signifies the sun's death and resurrection. The story of the eight passengers in a boat is an astral myth, reflecting the solar system. These eight are equivalent to the Egyptian octet of gods, who sail the ocean in a ship.

Also of interest in this quest are the words attributed to the Babylonian priest Berossus, who described the Flood, giving it a much older date:

The Babylonian Flood itself predates the biblical by about 33,000 years, which demonstrates that the two inundations do not reflect one "historical" flood. Nevertheless, the story of Xisuthras or Ziusudra, the Babylonian Flood king, matches the later biblical account of Noah in important details, a common develoipment with myths. Berossus is even recorded as stating that Ziusudra's ship landed "in the mountains of the Korduaians of Armenia," possibly the Kurdistans, located in the same area where ark-hunters have claimed to have found pieces of "Noah's ark." This story, however, is not historical, and the creation of stone "arks" or ships upon hills was more common than is realized. Moreover, the Noah tale can be found in Mexican mythology: The Mexican Noah is named Nata, while his wife is Nena. In the Indian mythology, in the reign of the "seventh Manu," Satyavrata, the "whole earth" is said to "have been destroyed by a flood, including all mankind, who had beome corrupt." The prince and seven rishis, along with their wives, survived by entering a "spacious vessel," "by command of Vishnu...accompanied by pairs of all animals. (Acharya, Suns of God, 43-44)

Rather than having happened on Earth - a cataclysmic event for which there is no solid, scientific evidence - the story of Noah's Ark actually takes place in the heavens, as Noah and his crew of seven represent the sun, moon, earth and five inner planets. Obviously, Noah's famous "ark," which misguided souls have sought upon the earth, is a motif found in other myths, representing the arc-shaped lower quarter of the moon.



Is Noah's Ark Real? | The Myth of Noah's Ark

 

[sooda]

First of all there is a database of NDE (near death experiences) where people have clinically died but came back to life and have had experiences.
Very few are religious experiences but when they are they always reflect the persons personal religion. Hindu see Krishna, Buddhist will see some type of Buddha and so on so that provides zero evidence of any one religion being true. Weather this is a type of hallucination or real experience it's clear that ideas in the persons mind influence what they see.
But most experiences are non-religious and have no connection to religious ideologies in any way.
Thinking that because there is life after death it must mean the Jewish/Christian infatuation with sin and substitutionary magic blood sacrifice cult is what it's all about is rather naive.
Going by NDEs in fact it isn't. There is no sin and Jesus or any of that in the vast majority of those experiences.

Asking about Noahs Ark is like asking "what if Thor's hammer was found, would you worship Odin?"
The Ark and flood mythology goes far back before Christianity. The Babylonian Flood itself predates the biblical story by 30,000 years,

"
Ancient flood and ark myths common
Rather than being a historical figure who was the progenitor of three races, Noah is a fictitious character found in the mythologies of a number of different cultures globally, as opposed to being limited to one area and its specific peoples. The Bible story represents a rehash of other myths, changed to revolve around these particular peoples.

Like other biblical tales, the myth of Noah is found in India, Egypt, Babylon, Sumer and other places. The fact is that there have been floods and deluge stories in many different parts of the world, including but not limited to the Middle East. In the Sumerian tale, which predated the biblical by thousands of years, the ark was built by Ziusudra; in Akkad, he was Atrakhasis, and in Babylon, Uta-Napisthim. The Greek Noah was called Deucalion, "who repopulated the earth after the waters subsided" and after the ark landed on Mt. Parnassos. The Armenian flood hero was called Xisuthros, "whose ark landed on Mt. Ararat." Noah's "history" can likewise be found in India, where there is a "tomb of Nuh" near the river Gagra in the district of Oude or Oudh, which may be related to Judea and Judah. The "ark-preserved" Indian Noah was also called "Menu."

Like Noah, the Sumero-Armenian Ziusudra/Xisuthros had three sons, including one named "Japetosthes," essentially the same as Noah's son Japheth, also related to Pra-japati or Jvapeti, son of the Indian Menu, whose other sons possessed virtually the same names as those of Noah, i.e., Shem and Ham. As Oxford University Hebrew professor George Henry Bateson Wright says in Was Israel ever in Egypt? (51):

JAPHETH - Ewald...shows, with great probability, that this was a god of the north, as Ham was of the south, once again in imitation of Hindu mythology. Moreover, the fact, that in the Armenian legend, derived from "Assyrian or Babylonian documents," the three sons of Xisuthros, who corresponds to Noah, are Zervin, Titan, and Japetosthe, is very instructive, suggesting that the unknown foreign word was retained in its original form...

"Coincidentally," it was said that the Egyptian god Osiris was shut up in his ark on the very same day that Noah was likewise so disposed, as I relate in Suns of God (90):

When Osiris's enemies pursue him, he enters into his "boat" on precisely the same date recorded of "Noah's" entrance into his ark, Athyr 17th...long before the biblical tale was invented. Noah is not a Jewish "patriarch" but a sun god, and the tale of entering and exiting the Ark signifies the sun's death and resurrection. The story of the eight passengers in a boat is an astral myth, reflecting the solar system. These eight are equivalent to the Egyptian octet of gods, who sail the ocean in a ship.

Also of interest in this quest are the words attributed to the Babylonian priest Berossus, who described the Flood, giving it a much older date:

The Babylonian Flood itself predates the biblical by about 33,000 years, which demonstrates that the two inundations do not reflect one "historical" flood. Nevertheless, the story of Xisuthras or Ziusudra, the Babylonian Flood king, matches the later biblical account of Noah in important details, a common develoipment with myths. Berossus is even recorded as stating that Ziusudra's ship landed "in the mountains of the Korduaians of Armenia," possibly the Kurdistans, located in the same area where ark-hunters have claimed to have found pieces of "Noah's ark." This story, however, is not historical, and the creation of stone "arks" or ships upon hills was more common than is realized. Moreover, the Noah tale can be found in Mexican mythology: The Mexican Noah is named Nata, while his wife is Nena. In the Indian mythology, in the reign of the "seventh Manu," Satyavrata, the "whole earth" is said to "have been destroyed by a flood, including all mankind, who had beome corrupt." The prince and seven rishis, along with their wives, survived by entering a "spacious vessel," "by command of Vishnu...accompanied by pairs of all animals. (Acharya, Suns of God, 43-44)

Rather than having happened on Earth - a cataclysmic event for which there is no solid, scientific evidence - the story of Noah's Ark actually takes place in the heavens, as Noah and his crew of seven represent the sun, moon, earth and five inner planets. Obviously, Noah's famous "ark," which misguided souls have sought upon the earth, is a motif found in other myths, representing the arc-shaped lower quarter of the moon.



Is Noah's Ark Real? | The Myth of Noah's Ark

30,000 years? The date of the 6 myths is about 2900 BC

The Great Flood: Archaeology? - Livius

The Great Flood: Eridu Genesis - Livius

 

[joelr]

30,000 years? The date of the 6 myths is about 2900 BC

The Great Flood: Archaeology? - Livius

The Great Flood: Eridu Genesis - Livius

Well the Mesopotamian tablet describing the ark/flood is 4000 years old and may describe a much older flood. D.M. Murdock was a good historian, not PhD level but she did some good work.
She may have been referencing this find?
I don't know her source because it's an excerpt from her book and it just says - "(Acharya, Suns of God, 43-44)"
Point being that the flood/Ark myth was part of most cultures back in the day


She seems to be referencing text from a Babolyonian priest:

"Also of interest in this quest are the words attributed to the Babylonian priest Berossus, who described the Flood, giving it a much older date:

The Babylonian Flood itself predates the biblical by about 33,000 years, which demonstrates that the two inundations do not reflect one "historical" flood. Nevertheless, the story of Xisuthras or Ziusudra, the Babylonian Flood king, matches the later biblical account of Noah in important details, a common develoipment with myths. Berossus is even recorded as stating that Ziusudra's ship landed "in the mountains of the Korduaians of Armenia," possibly the Kurdistans, located in the same area where ark-hunters have claimed to have found pieces of "Noah's ark." This story, however, is not historical, and the creation of stone "arks" or ships upon hills was more common than is realized. Moreover, the Noah tale can be found in Mexican mythology: The Mexican Noah is named Nata, while his wife is Nena. In the Indian mythology, in the reign of the "seventh Manu," Satyavrata, the "whole earth" is said to "have been destroyed by a flood, including all mankind, who had beome corrupt." The prince and seven rishis, along with their wives, survived by entering a "spacious vessel," "by command of Vishnu...accompanied by pairs of all animals. (Acharya, Suns of God, 43-44)

Mesopotamian flood story:
A 4000-year-old tablet from ancient Mesopotamia contains the specifications for an ark pre-dating the story of Noah

IT'S a few notches on a 4000-year-old clay tablet. But what it reveals about the ancient biblical story of Noah's ark has scholars crowing the world over.

The British Museum yesterday put the recently deciphered clay tablet from ancient Mesopotamia - now Iraq - on display.

It's claimed to be one of the most important archaeological discoveries ever.

What it contains are specifications for the legendary Ark which was said to have saved two of each animal - and a handful of humans - from a catastrophic flood.

But some of the details are different to the generally known version.

It describes a circular vessel known as a coracle, not the rectangular vessel of modern mythology.

"It was really a heart-stopping moment - the discovery that the boat was to be a round boat," the tablet's discoverer, Irving Finkel said. "That was a real surprise."

News_Image_File: The 4000 year old clay tablet containing the story of the Ark and the flood stands on display at the British Museum in London during the launch of the book 'The Ark Before Noah' by Irving Finkel, curator in charge of cuneiform clay tablets at the British Museum. (AP Photo/Sang Tan)

The tablet records a Mesopotamian god's instructions for building a giant vessel - two-thirds the size of a soccer field in area - made of rope, reinforced with wooden ribs and coated in bitumen.

Etched in the clay is one of the story's key elements: It describes how the animals must enter "two by two".
"...
Ancient tablet reveals 'Ark before Noah'

 

[sooda]

Well the Mesopotamian tablet describing the ark/flood is 4000 years old and may describe a much older flood. D.M. Murdock was a good historian, not PhD level but she did some good work.
She may have been referencing this find?
I don't know her source because it's an excerpt from her book and it just says - "(Acharya, Suns of God, 43-44)"
Point being that the flood/Ark myth was part of most cultures back in the day


She seems to be referencing text from a Babolyonian priest:

"Also of interest in this quest are the words attributed to the Babylonian priest Berossus, who described the Flood, giving it a much older date:

The Babylonian Flood itself predates the biblical by about 33,000 years, which demonstrates that the two inundations do not reflect one "historical" flood. Nevertheless, the story of Xisuthras or Ziusudra, the Babylonian Flood king, matches the later biblical account of Noah in important details, a common develoipment with myths. Berossus is even recorded as stating that Ziusudra's ship landed "in the mountains of the Korduaians of Armenia," possibly the Kurdistans, located in the same area where ark-hunters have claimed to have found pieces of "Noah's ark." This story, however, is not historical, and the creation of stone "arks" or ships upon hills was more common than is realized. Moreover, the Noah tale can be found in Mexican mythology: The Mexican Noah is named Nata, while his wife is Nena. In the Indian mythology, in the reign of the "seventh Manu," Satyavrata, the "whole earth" is said to "have been destroyed by a flood, including all mankind, who had beome corrupt." The prince and seven rishis, along with their wives, survived by entering a "spacious vessel," "by command of Vishnu...accompanied by pairs of all animals. (Acharya, Suns of God, 43-44)

Mesopotamian flood story:
A 4000-year-old tablet from ancient Mesopotamia contains the specifications for an ark pre-dating the story of Noah

IT'S a few notches on a 4000-year-old clay tablet. But what it reveals about the ancient biblical story of Noah's ark has scholars crowing the world over.

The British Museum yesterday put the recently deciphered clay tablet from ancient Mesopotamia - now Iraq - on display.

It's claimed to be one of the most important archaeological discoveries ever.

What it contains are specifications for the legendary Ark which was said to have saved two of each animal - and a handful of humans - from a catastrophic flood.

But some of the details are different to the generally known version.

It describes a circular vessel known as a coracle, not the rectangular vessel of modern mythology.

"It was really a heart-stopping moment - the discovery that the boat was to be a round boat," the tablet's discoverer, Irving Finkel said. "That was a real surprise."

News_Image_File: The 4000 year old clay tablet containing the story of the Ark and the flood stands on display at the British Museum in London during the launch of the book 'The Ark Before Noah' by Irving Finkel, curator in charge of cuneiform clay tablets at the British Museum. (AP Photo/Sang Tan)

The tablet records a Mesopotamian god's instructions for building a giant vessel - two-thirds the size of a soccer field in area - made of rope, reinforced with wooden ribs and coated in bitumen.

Etched in the clay is one of the story's key elements: It describes how the animals must enter "two by two".
"...
Ancient tablet reveals 'Ark before Noah'

Ziusudra's ship was river barges on the Euphrates river hauling grain, beer and livestock.. 2900 BC.

 

[sooda]

Well the Mesopotamian tablet describing the ark/flood is 4000 years old and may describe a much older flood. D.M. Murdock was a good historian, not PhD level but she did some good work.
She may have been referencing this find?
I don't know her source because it's an excerpt from her book and it just says - "(Acharya, Suns of God, 43-44)"
Point being that the flood/Ark myth was part of most cultures back in the day


She seems to be referencing text from a Babolyonian priest:

"Also of interest in this quest are the words attributed to the Babylonian priest Berossus, who described the Flood, giving it a much older date:

The Babylonian Flood itself predates the biblical by about 33,000 years, which demonstrates that the two inundations do not reflect one "historical" flood. Nevertheless, the story of Xisuthras or Ziusudra, the Babylonian Flood king, matches the later biblical account of Noah in important details, a common develoipment with myths. Berossus is even recorded as stating that Ziusudra's ship landed "in the mountains of the Korduaians of Armenia," possibly the Kurdistans, located in the same area where ark-hunters have claimed to have found pieces of "Noah's ark." This story, however, is not historical, and the creation of stone "arks" or ships upon hills was more common than is realized. Moreover, the Noah tale can be found in Mexican mythology: The Mexican Noah is named Nata, while his wife is Nena. In the Indian mythology, in the reign of the "seventh Manu," Satyavrata, the "whole earth" is said to "have been destroyed by a flood, including all mankind, who had beome corrupt." The prince and seven rishis, along with their wives, survived by entering a "spacious vessel," "by command of Vishnu...accompanied by pairs of all animals. (Acharya, Suns of God, 43-44)

Mesopotamian flood story:
A 4000-year-old tablet from ancient Mesopotamia contains the specifications for an ark pre-dating the story of Noah

IT'S a few notches on a 4000-year-old clay tablet. But what it reveals about the ancient biblical story of Noah's ark has scholars crowing the world over.

The British Museum yesterday put the recently deciphered clay tablet from ancient Mesopotamia - now Iraq - on display.

It's claimed to be one of the most important archaeological discoveries ever.

What it contains are specifications for the legendary Ark which was said to have saved two of each animal - and a handful of humans - from a catastrophic flood.

But some of the details are different to the generally known version.

It describes a circular vessel known as a coracle, not the rectangular vessel of modern mythology.

"It was really a heart-stopping moment - the discovery that the boat was to be a round boat," the tablet's discoverer, Irving Finkel said. "That was a real surprise."

News_Image_File: The 4000 year old clay tablet containing the story of the Ark and the flood stands on display at the British Museum in London during the launch of the book 'The Ark Before Noah' by Irving Finkel, curator in charge of cuneiform clay tablets at the British Museum. (AP Photo/Sang Tan)

The tablet records a Mesopotamian god's instructions for building a giant vessel - two-thirds the size of a soccer field in area - made of rope, reinforced with wooden ribs and coated in bitumen.

Etched in the clay is one of the story's key elements: It describes how the animals must enter "two by two".
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Ancient tablet reveals 'Ark before Noah'

I read your link.. They are talking about a 4,000 year old clay tablet.. There are thousands of them in Dilmun that tell the Ziusudra or Gilgamesh story.

 

[Truly Enlightened]

Okay, lets say for the sake of discussion, that this fake Ark was created by the Byzantines "who decided it would be a good 'offering' to God to make a copy of the ark and put it on Ararat."
First of all, what comes to mind is logistics. Can you imagine what it would take to transport all of the huge wooden beams up the side of that mountain, along with all the tools needed construct it? It's difficult enough just to scale this mountain let alone do it in the extreme weather that changes constantly. If they wanted to offer a huge structure like this, it would be easier to do it at the base of the mountain not over 10,000 feet. It makes no sense at all that anyone would do this. I would say it is beyond the realm of probability which puts it in the "Impossible" category. But that's just me.
Secondly, it is important to understand that at that time before Jesus came in human flesh, sacrificial offerings to God were performed with the most perfect animals one had. Why? Because God sacrificed his only son who was perfect and bled to death on the cross for the remission of sins and by him doing this, created the only way into heaven by believing who he is and what he did. The two thieves that were next to him is a perfect example of this.
Also, when you read the account of Cain and Able, why did God honor Able's offering not honor Cain's?

You do not die on the cross from exsanguination(bleeding to death), you die from suffocation(before his side was pierced by a soldier). Also, if this was a time before Jesus, why would people sacrifice their perfect animals, because God had sacrificed His perfect son for their sins?

 

[sooda]

Okay, lets say for the sake of discussion, that this fake Ark was created by the Byzantines "who decided it would be a good 'offering' to God to make a copy of the ark and put it on Ararat."
First of all, what comes to mind is logistics. Can you imagine what it would take to transport all of the huge wooden beams up the side of that mountain, along with all the tools needed construct it? It's difficult enough just to scale this mountain let alone do it in the extreme weather that changes constantly. If they wanted to offer a huge structure like this, it would be easier to do it at the base of the mountain not over 10,000 feet. It makes no sense at all that anyone would do this. I would say it is beyond the realm of probability which puts it in the "Impossible" category. But that's just me.
Secondly, it is important to understand that at that time before Jesus came in human flesh, sacrificial offerings to God were performed with the most perfect animals one had. Why? Because God sacrificed his only son who was perfect and bled to death on the cross for the remission of sins and by him doing this, created the only way into heaven by believing who he is and what he did. The two thieves that were next to him is a perfect example of this.
Also, when you read the account of Cain and Able, why did God honor Able's offering not honor Cain's?

Jesus didn't bleed to death on the cross..

Cain and Abel may be an allegory about the transition from hunter gatherers to agriculture.

 

[Rapture Era]

• Everything you mention here is exactly who you are, except you can substitute "God did it" with "Geology did it"
• Everything you mention here is exactly who you are, except you can substitute "God did it" with "Physics did it."
• Everything you mention here is exactly who you are, except you can substitute "God did it" with "Archeology did it."
• Everything you mention here is exactly who you are, except you can substitute "God did it" with "Astronomy did it."

You should know that all of those disciplines refute Genesis just as much as evolution does. In your opinion, all of the sciences are wrong and 6000-year-old stories are right. How silly.

Hey! I think there is hope for you yet! All that you just mentioned is encapsulated in this statement, " In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."
Also,
"In the beginning the Word (Jesus) already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
He existed in the beginning with God.
God created everything through him,
and nothing was created except through him."
So yes, all things, Geology, Physics, Archaeology and Astronomy were created when God spoke, "Let there be" and it was! His method of creation was that he spoke it into existence. You should know that honest science in all these disciplines validate the creation account. Evolution is the biggest lie in all of mankind's history.You are under the same delusion as Eve was with the Genesis 3 lie perpetrated by Satan! In the garden he said, "Did God really say?" Putting doubt in her mind about what God said. You are under the same delusion Satan is using with evolution. Doubting what God said in Genesis about how everything came into being. Satan is very powerful! He doesnt care about you! He hates you. Why? Because you are the pinnacle of Gods creation! He doesnt want you to know the truth. He wants to keep you from the truth and the most powerful delusion being implemented to this day is evolution! Science has disproved this over and over but the delusion is so strong, people have left their common sense and are led to the slaughter. You better think about this very seriously! Because the eternal consequences are massive! There is not one shred of evidence that evolution ever took place, so for you to place your eternal existence in it, is, well, silly, imprudent and irrational! But hey! It's your decision, do you want Heaven or Hell for your eternal existence?

 

[Truly Enlightened]

Hey! I think there is hope for you yet! All that you just mentioned is encapsulated in this statement, " In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."
Also,
"In the beginning the Word (Jesus) already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
He existed in the beginning with God.
God created everything through him,
and nothing was created except through him."
So yes, all things, Geology, Physics, Archaeology and Astronomy were created when God spoke, "Let there be" and it was! His method of creation was that he spoke it into existence. You should know that honest science in all these disciplines validate the creation account. Evolution is the biggest lie in all of mankind's history.You are under the same delusion as Eve was with the Genesis 3 lie perpetrated by Satan! In the garden he said, "Did God really say?" Putting doubt in her mind about what God said. You are under the same delusion Satan is using with evolution. Doubting what God said in Genesis about how everything came into being. Satan is very powerful! He doesnt care about you! He hates you. Why? Because you are the pinnacle of Gods creation! He doesnt want you to know the truth. He wants to keep you from the truth and the most powerful delusion being implemented to this day is evolution! Science has disproved this over and over but the delusion is so strong, people have left their common sense and are led to the slaughter. You better think about this very seriously! Because the eternal consequences are massive! There is not one shred of evidence that evolution ever took place, so for you to place your eternal existence in it, is, well, silly, imprudent and irrational! But hey! It's your decision, do you want Heaven or Hell for your eternal existence?

Well at least you've given up any pretence of mounting a rational argument. I use to believe that pride was that last to go before the fall. Now it seems that sermonizing and Biblical quote-mining is the last to go. So in the beginning Jesus already existed, before He was born of Mary, as the Word. But the Word and God are the same. Therefore Jesus and God both existed in the beginning as the Word. But Jesus re-existed in human form, born of Mary(Virgin Birth, to avoid the two fathers problem). Then Jesus died in human form, and re-existed again in a spiritual form. Since both God and Jesus existed in the beginning, then did God create everything through Jesus(Him)? And, was nothing created except through Jesus? Or, was it through someone else(Him) that God needed to create something, other than by "His word" alone?

How does science validate "God did it all", let alone can validate the existence of a God(s)? It is also delusional to view the world in only black and white. good and evil, or right and wrong. The world and life is far to complex for these false tautologies to be contingent or applicable. People are not all of one, nor all of the other. We are just another species in the animal kingdom. Our human traits are genetically expressed, as they relate to our environment and our social conditioning. Nothing more, nothing less. How do you think we would behave if we could not communicate, and were not self-aware?

I get it that people want to believe that death is just a doorway to a good place, or a bad place. This belief is based only on what we conceptualize as being real. It is not based on what we perceptualize as being real. There is no direct nexus to how we live our lives, how well we serve a master, the level of our moral turpitude, and the existence of an afterlife. You are entitled to believe in the 72 Virgins, Reincarnation, Rebirth, Heaven and Hell, Limbo, Burotu, Cedar Forest, Happy Hunting Grounds, Valhalla, Nirvana, or Moksha. But, they simply can't all be right. But they can certainly all be wrong. This is what we can clearly observe and falsify. When we die entropy and oxidation wins. That's it. No beheading victims have ever returned to tell of their experience in an afterlife. No resurrection have every been verified. Where in space would an afterlife exist? By what energy does it manifest itself? What is the nature of an afterlife?

If I am right, then death will be nothing more than the cessation of my life. This death has been no stranger to me for 14.8 Billion years. If I am wrong, then my disbelief was entirely based on the absence of objective evidence presented by any religion. If you are right, then you were fortunate to be born in the right country, to the right parents, worshipped the right branch of the right category. Unfortunately, the Billions of other believers were just unlucky by fate and circumstances alone. If you are wrong, then we both share the same fate. But, I won't be disappointed. Tell me, why do we need to die to find out the truth about an afterlife? Do you see anything odd about dying first to receive a reward for being obedient? I certainly do. And, I will not sacrifice the independent nature of my own existence, because of a fear of death. I already know, and so should you. Why would any rational person worship death over life? I just don't see it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Hey! I think there is hope for you yet! All that you just mentioned is encapsulated in this statement, " In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."
Also,
"In the beginning the Word (Jesus) already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
He existed in the beginning with God.
God created everything through him,
and nothing was created except through him."
So yes, all things, Geology, Physics, Archaeology and Astronomy were created when God spoke, "Let there be" and it was! His method of creation was that he spoke it into existence. You should know that honest science in all these disciplines validate the creation account. Evolution is the biggest lie in all of mankind's history.You are under the same delusion as Eve was with the Genesis 3 lie perpetrated by Satan! In the garden he said, "Did God really say?" Putting doubt in her mind about what God said. You are under the same delusion Satan is using with evolution. Doubting what God said in Genesis about how everything came into being. Satan is very powerful! He doesnt care about you! He hates you. Why? Because you are the pinnacle of Gods creation! He doesnt want you to know the truth. He wants to keep you from the truth and the most powerful delusion being implemented to this day is evolution! Science has disproved this over and over but the delusion is so strong, people have left their common sense and are led to the slaughter. You better think about this very seriously! Because the eternal consequences are massive! There is not one shred of evidence that evolution ever took place, so for you to place your eternal existence in it, is, well, silly, imprudent and irrational! But hey! It's your decision, do you want Heaven or Hell for your eternal existence?

Please show when and where you think "science has disproved" evolution. What piece(s) of evidence has/have falsified evolution?

While you're at it, please demonstrate the existence of the specific God you believe in, as well as Satan.