The creator did it.

[Rapture Era]

You do not die on the cross from exsanguination(bleeding to death), you die from suffocation(before his side was pierced by a soldier). Also, if this was a time before Jesus, why would people sacrifice their perfect animals, because God had sacrificed His perfect son for their sins?

To your first claim, they would break the legs of those on the cross to cause suffocation. Jesus gave up his own life on the cross,(no one took it) and as prophesied, not one bone was broken. God required them to sacrifice their best because God the Father sacrificed his best, Jesus, for the remission of your sins! So, yes to your second sentence.

 

[SkepticThinker]

To your first claim, they would break the legs of those on the cross to cause suffocation. Jesus gave up his own life on the cross,(no one took it) and as prophesied, not one bone was broken. God required them to sacrifice their best because God the Father sacrificed his best, Jesus, for the remission of your sins! So, yes to your second sentence.

How could you possibly know that?

 

[Rapture Era]

Well at least you've given up any pretence of mounting a rational argument. I use to believe that pride was that last to go before the fall.

Where did you learn that?

Now it seems that sermonizing and Biblical quote-mining is the last to go.

Just passing on to you what it says on that subject, take it or leave it, your choice.

So in the beginning Jesus already existed, before He was born of Mary, as the Word. But the Word and God are the same. Therefore Jesus and God both existed in the beginning as the Word. But Jesus re-existed in human form, born of Mary(Virgin Birth, to avoid the two fathers problem). Then Jesus died in human form, and re-existed again in a spiritual form. Since both God and Jesus existed in the beginning, then did God create everything through Jesus(Him)? And, was nothing created except through Jesus? Or, was it through someone else(Him) that God needed to create something, other than by "His word" alone?

Boy, you really have a gift of twisting words! I think you know exactly whats going on with the biblical quote I gave, but hey, nice try.

How does science validate "God did it all", let alone can validate the existence of a God(s)? It is also delusional to view the world in only black and white. good and evil, or right and wrong. The world and life is far to complex for these false tautologies to be contingent or applicable. People are not all of one, nor all of the other. We are just another species in the animal kingdom. Our human traits are genetically expressed, as they relate to our environment and our social conditioning. Nothing more, nothing less. How do you think we would behave if we could not communicate, and were not self-aware?

Science validates "God did it" from everything in existence, from the cosmos to the micro. Why? Because science has no reasonable answers and cannot validate evolution. But science falls in harmony with creation because it validates creation.
"Our human traits are genetically expressed, as they relate to our environment and our social conditioning. Nothing more, nothing less. How do you think we would behave if we could not communicate, and were not self-aware?"
This is great! Explain to me how meaningless, purposeless matter like yourself, developed self-consciousness? Why are you communicating to me? You should be barking or chirping or grunting! By the way, explain to me how you go from grunting to abstract language? Out of one side of your mouth you claim you are nothing more than animal, and yet you posses self-consciousness that completely separates you from the animals! Boy oh boy! Think about it.

I get it that people want to believe that death is just a doorway to a good place, or a bad place. This belief is based only on what we conceptualize as being real. It is not based on what we perceptualize as being real. There is no direct nexus to how we live our lives, how well we serve a master, the level of our moral turpitude, and the existence of an afterlife. You are entitled to believe in the 72 Virgins, Reincarnation, Rebirth, Heaven and Hell, Limbo, Burotu, Cedar Forest, Happy Hunting Grounds, Valhalla, Nirvana, or Moksha. But, they simply can't all be right. But they can certainly all be wrong. This is what we can clearly observe and falsify. When we die entropy and oxidation wins. That's it. No beheading victims have ever returned to tell of their experience in an afterlife. No resurrection have every been verified. Where in space would an afterlife exist? By what energy does it manifest itself? What is the nature of an afterlife?

Well, hold on to that thought, the moment you die, it will all be clear
". No resurrection have every been verified." I assume you mean no one has been brought back from the dead?

If I am right, then death will be nothing more than the cessation of my life. This death has been no stranger to me for 14.8 Billion years. If I am wrong, then my disbelief was entirely based on the absence of objective evidence presented by any religion. If you are right, then you were fortunate to be born in the right country, to the right parents, worshipped the right branch of the right category. Unfortunately, the Billions of other believers were just unlucky by fate and circumstances alone. If you are wrong, then we both share the same fate. But, I won't be disappointed. Tell me, why do we need to die to find out the truth about an afterlife? Do you see anything odd about dying first to receive a reward for being obedient? I certainly do. And, I will not sacrifice the independent nature of my own existence, because of a fear of death. I already know, and so should you. Why would any rational person worship death over life? I just don't see it.

"This death has been no stranger to me for 14.8 Billion years."
Say whaaaaat?
The billions of others have been reached by those missionaries who brought the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ all over the world, and like you, they have a choice to make., accept it or reject it. Jesus paid your penalty for your sin so you wouldn't have to. It's a free gift, and like all free gifts, you can accept it or reject it.
If you are wrong you will suffer an eternity in hell forever! That's not my opinion, but it would seem to me that any reasonable person when confronted with would consider, oh wait, you are just an animal of your surroundings, never mind. Good luck.

 

[Rapture Era]

How could you possibly know that?

Are you kidding me?

 

[Rapture Era]

Jesus didn't bleed to death on the cross..
Cain and Abel may be an allegory about the transition from hunter gatherers to agriculture.

Wow! You are completely disconnected! Do you always just throw out made up stuff and expect anyone to actually take you seriously?

 

[sooda]

To your first claim, they would break the legs of those on the cross to cause suffocation. Jesus gave up his own life on the cross,(no one took it) and as prophesied, not one bone was broken. God required them to sacrifice their best because God the Father sacrificed his best, Jesus, for the remission of your sins! So, yes to your second sentence.

Breaking their legs didn't cause suffocation.. Hanging from their arms did.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Are you kidding me?

I'm dead serious. How on earth could you know such a thing?

You have a big problem with making claims you can't back up.

 

[sooda]

Wow! You are completely disconnected! Do you always just throw out made up stuff and expect anyone to actually take you seriously?

Why don't you read up on how crucifixion kills?

Crucifixion - Wikipedia

 

[ecco]

What if it is the real Ark of Noah? Would any of you change your mind about the bible being true?

Before I answer, I need to know what kind of evidence you would have in order to prove it really is the Genesis Flood Ark.

What if someone came back from the dead and told you about the after life that confirmed the bible, would you then believe?

Before I answer, I need to know what kind of evidence you would have in order to prove that the individual really was dead and really was in heaven before returning to earth.

Be honest and answer the two questions if you are willing to. If you do not want to believe, just say so.

I was honest. I await your reply.

 

[ecco]

So in the beginning Jesus already existed, before He was born of Mary, as the Word. But the Word and God are the same. Therefore Jesus and God both existed in the beginning as the Word. But Jesus re-existed in human form, born of Mary(Virgin Birth, to avoid the two fathers problem). Then Jesus died in human form, and re-existed again in a spiritual form. Since both God and Jesus existed in the beginning, then did God create everything through Jesus(Him)? And, was nothing created except through Jesus? Or, was it through someone else(Him) that God needed to create something, other than by "His word" alone?

THE HOLY GHOST!​

Why are you ignoring the Holy Ghost?

It was He who raped Mary in order to make the earthly form of 1/3 of God.

 

[ecco]

Jesus gave up his own life on the cross,(no one took it) and as prophesied, not one bone was broken. God required them to sacrifice their best because God the Father sacrificed his best, Jesus, for the remission of your sins! So, yes to your second sentence.

God sent a part of himself in the form of the Holy Ghost to earth to rape Mary and make an earthly portion of Himself.

The earthly portion (let's call it Jesus) is 1/3 of the God entity.

Jesus stays on earth for 30 years. Thirty years in the lifetime of God is far less than a zeptosecond in the life of a human.

After a zeptosecond, Jesus left his earthly embodiment and joined up with the other 2/3s of Himself.

What sacrifice are you referring to?

 

[He has Risen!]

Before I answer, I need to know what kind of evidence you would have in order to prove it really is the Genesis Flood Ark.



Before I answer, I need to know what kind of evidence you would have in order to prove that the individual really was dead and really was in heaven before returning to earth.


I was honest. I await your reply.

You choose the evidence that you believe is the most convincing and then answer why you would believe or why not.

 

[He has Risen!]

Breaking their legs didn't cause suffocation.. Hanging from their arms did.

Then why break their legs?

 

[sooda]

Then why break their legs?

To get it over with more quickly. Passover was coming and they couldn't have bodies hanging on the beams after sundown.

 

[ecco]

Before I answer, I need to know what kind of evidence you would have in order to prove it really is the Genesis Flood Ark.

Before I answer, I need to know what kind of evidence you would have in order to prove that the individual really was dead and really was in heaven before returning to earth.

You choose the evidence that you believe is the most convincing and then answer why you would believe or why not.

Well, since you are the one who made the proposal, you should be the one who should be able to state the evidence you can produce.

As far as I'm concerned there is no possible evidence to support the supernatural. None has ever been given, despite the fact that many have said they did.

 

[He has Risen!]

Well, since you are the one who made the proposal, you should be the one who should be able to state the evidence you can produce.

As far as I'm concerned there is no possible evidence to support the supernatural. None has ever been given, despite the fact that many have said they did.

Thomas said "I will not believe until I put my finger into the nail prints in his hands and put my hand into His side. Thomas had a very high threshold of skepticism to overcome. Later on Thomas would lay down his life in India preaching the good news, bearing witness to the resurrection of his Lord and Savior , Jesus Christ.

 

[He has Risen!]

To get it over with more quickly. Passover was coming and they couldn't have bodies hanging on the beams after sundown.

Question;
What did breaking their legs do to those who were crucified?
Answer;
It prevented them from pushing themselves up to be able to breath, which caused their death by asphyxiation. It decreased their life on the cross.

 

[He has Risen!]

The year today is 2019, the date counted from the birth of God the Son in the flesh. Mary was not raped, she accepted the messenger of God and was willing to be the one chosen to bring Gods' Son into our world. What I read here by many people is simply a pathetic attempt at misinformation also known as facticion, a combo of fact and fiction.

 

[Rapture Era]

Question;
What did breaking their legs do to those who were crucified?
Answer;
It prevented them from pushing themselves up to be able to breath, which caused their death by asphyxiation. It decreased their life on the cross.

Yes, exactly!

 

[Rapture Era]

I'm dead serious. How on earth could you know such a thing?
You have a big problem with making claims you can't back up.

First, when we learn things, we should be very careful that source we are learning from, say text books etc., that the information by the author is true and correct. I believe that the scriptures are true and accurate because they have proven to be so over millennia. So I have full confidence that the inspired Word of God is true.
This command—that the Passover lamb not have its legs broken—carries symbolic weight. When Jesus, whom John the Baptist proclaimed to be “the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world” (John 1:29), was crucified, not one of his bones was broken. John 19:31-34 tells us that when the soldiers came to Jesus to break his legs to hasten his death, they found that he was already dead, so they pierced his side with a spear but did not break his legs.
As John testifies, “These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: ‘Not one of his bones will be broken’” (John 19:36). The Exodus 12:46 rule is also echoed prophetically in Psalms 34:20: “He protects all his bones, not one of them will be broken.” To the last detail of his death, Jesus fulfilled the prophecies concerning the Messiah, verifying that he was, as John the Baptist claimed, the sacrificial Lamb of God. I know, because I believe the historical account.
You know such things about evolution in much the same way do you not? You trust what people say happened in the far past with no evidence it is
tenuously possible at all! So how earth could you know such a thing? And dont say evidence because you dont have any. And you say I have a big problem making claims I cant back up!