The creator did it.

[ecco]

What does the word "Theory" mean to you?

What matters is what it means in a scientific sense. What matters is that in order to understand science, one must understand, at least, what a scientific theory is, especially as compared to the other definition of the word. You do not. Therefore, you show an ignorance of things scientific.

If someone posted on this forum that they know calculus is wrong, we would probably listen to his reasoning. If he then stated that this equation...
x=3+y
... means that the value of x is equivalent to the sum of three y's, we would stop taking the poster seriously. Some would take the time to try to explain to the poster why he is wrong. Some would just shake their heads in silence and find another thread. Some would stick around for laughs.

How is my understanding of science and evolution non-existent?

See above.

Well, God did say it. And what he said it, it was! Whats so hard to understand about that?

If you look at it honestly and accurately you would understand that God did no writing. You have to believe that God told someone who in turn wrote it. You have to believe that the person/people who actually wrote it was better informed than the person/people who wrote any of the thousands of other creation myths written before and after your creation myth.

Again, science viewed through a proper theology fits perfectly!

Nonsense. There was no Great Flood. No fit.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Well, for one thing, it is humorous to me that every time this subject comes up, the evolutionist says see! This is proof of evolution!
What its proof of, is the massive intelligence and power of an omnipotent creator to create such a species as the Mud-skipper. This is complete intellectual honesty. Just because YOU cannot be intellectually honest about this fact is your problem not mine.
Again, and again, and again the only true evidence of life on this planet and its vast diversification and abilities to reproduce, can only be attributed to a transcendent creator, who by the way, actually comes right out and tells us that he created everything in six literal 24 hours days. Just because You don't believe that, doesn't mean its not true. It just means that you don't want it to be true, for whatever reason, and are needing to reach and grasp at anything in the place of super natural creation. It's just the way it is!

That should be easy to demonstrate then. Go ahead.

I believe things for which there is good evidence. Do you have any?

 

[Truly Enlightened]

This is true, but not everyone knows this, take you for instance

"To start with, mudskippers have different ways to breathe depending on where they are. If underwater, they use their gills to absorb dissolved oxygen as most fishes do. But before they get ready to go ashore, they enlarge their gill chambers and fill them with water."
So, I dont know, you tell me.

I'm almost certain that the poster was just being derisive and sarcastic. But by responding with this dribble, you have certainly confirmed any suspicions he might have had.

 

[Rapture Era]

How do you know God is perfect, or even exists? If God's original creations were perfect, where did we get sin from?

To your first question, if he decided not to tell us, we wouldn't know of his existence. The question is, did he? Answer, yes he did! But you know this. You learn and trust information from books written by men don't you? We learn and trust from the Word of God also written by men that were inspired by Gods Holy Spirit. And in that book, the bible, it says he is perfect. Here are a few examples;
Matthew 5:48 ESV / 33 helpful votes
You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Psalm 18:30 ESV / 24 helpful votes
This God—his way is perfect; the word of the Lord proves true; he is a shield for all those who take refuge in him.
Romans 12:2 ESV / 18 helpful votes
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
To your second question, "where did sin come from?"
Whats interesting about this one, is that every time people complain about evil in the world, they are quick to blame God for it. God is incapable of committing evil. Satan is the one you should be going after here not God. Yes God created Satan, but when he did, Satan was the most beautiful and powerful angel God ever created. But something happened to Satan. What was it you ask? He became proud because of his beauty and power. He then made a proclamation:
"I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High."
You know the old saying, "Pride comes before the .................."
What is sin? Knowing right and doing wrong, it's pretty simple.
So the next time you want to lay blame on the evil of this world, why don't you focus it in the right direction. The bible says Satan is the father of lies, that he
comes only to steal and kill and destroy. So, it is clear, God is not the author of evil, Satan is.

Stop hiding behind any contrived weaknesses in science.

First of all, science only learns about what is already in existence. I love science. But when you extrapolate outside of the boundaries of science, now you are stepping into fantasy land and you have science behind. This is exactly what molecules to man evolution does and the one behind it is none other than Satan the father of lies himself. Why? Satan does not want anyone to come to the truth of salvation through Jesus Christ. Satan knows where he is going to end up, and he has, since the beginning of the world, starting with Eve, putting doubt in the minds of people, the same Genesis 3 lie he used then, he uses now. You and others here are a perfect example by your statements of Satan's power over you, using the same tactic today that he has been using throughout time, putting doubt in the minds of people of the truth of Gods Word.Why? Because it works very well. What is the Genesis 3 lie? "Did God really say?" Satan lied and deceived Eve about why God commanded them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Why, Because God said in the day you eat of it you will surely die! Have you ever warned you kids about doing something that would be dangerous? You see the danger but they don't. So because you love them and you don't want to see them get hurt or die, you warn them in the strongest way. But their say, don't listen to your parents, com'on it'll be fun! These kids are putting doubt in your child's mind as to the danger you warned them about. In the same way, Satan says, No, evolution is how everything came about in our world. Don't listen to those Christians! The further Satan can drive you away from God and his truth, the better. And from what I can see here, again, like throughout millennia, its working quite well.

Just cite one miracle, one ghost or spirit, one paranormal or supernatural event, one fallacy-free argument, or one example of any suspension or violation of the natural laws. Anything at all will do. Assume that all science is wrong, Now present your case. I didn't think so.

"Anything at all will do"
What Miracles Did Jesus Perform?
I never said science was wrong. It is constantly changing as our technology allows us to discover more and more, yes, but don't infer whats not there. If you do, you are infecting the results and thereby disgracing its truthful findings.

 

[Rapture Era]

I'm almost certain that the poster was just being derisive and sarcastic. But by responding with this dribble, you have certainly confirmed any suspicions he might have had.

What?

 

[Rapture Era]

Except that Genesis does not "fit quite nicely" with the scientific evidence.

Evolution is the most robust, well-evidenced scientific theory in existence. No evidence has ever been presented that has falsified it, and every piece of evidence discovered over the last 150+ years has only solidified it even more. If it's so obviously wrong, why has nobody from your side of the aisle ever been able to present any evidence whatsoever that would falsify evolution?

Dude, are you living in a bubble? Obviously you are.

 

[sooda]

Dude, are you living in a bubble? Obviously you are.

Is your faith dependent on Adam and Eve and the Noah global flood?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Dude, are you living in a bubble? Obviously you are.

I live in reality, where evidence exists. What I said is a fact. Evolution is the only viable theory in town, when it comes to explaining the biodiversification of life on Earth.

If you disagree though, again I will point out how easy it should be for you to provide one single piece of evidence that falsifies the theory of evolution. Nobody has been able to do it yet, in 150+ years. There's a Nobel Prize waiting for you, if you can. And please notice how you keep ignoring this point.

 

[ecco]

To your first question, if he decided not to tell us, we wouldn't know of his existence. The question is, did he? Answer, yes he did! But you know this. You learn and trust information from books written by men don't you? We learn and trust from the Word of God also written by men that were inspired by Gods Holy Spirit.

How do you know the books "were inspired by Gods Holy Spirit"?

There is no evidence to support that stance. None. You believe because you want to believe. You want to believe because that's how you were indoctrinated.

 

[ecco]

A Moral Lawgiver? Your god as specified in your bible?

Slavery is acceptable
Rape is acceptable
Murder is acceptable
Incest is acceptable

My morals are much higher than that.

I just love when you guys do this! I'm not sure I want to spend the time to educate you here because it wouldn't do any good because your ignorance in this area is not only predictable, but profound. Of course it is not acceptable! Read the "Ten Commandments"

I have read more of the Bible than The Ten Commandments. I guess you haven't. Here is your God endorsing slavery and rape.

Deuteronomy 21 KJV
10When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, 11And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; 12Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; 13And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.​

God does not condone any of it!

God doesn't just condone it, He specifies it.
I find it hard to believe that you are unaware of this. From your post, it's pretty clear you have had this discussion before.

 

[ecco]

See what I mean? Viewing science through the lens of Genesis, everything fits quite nicely.

That's completely untrue. Perhaps you mean viewing nature through the simplistified lens of Genesis, nature makes sense to those who are inclined to believe that nature is simple.

Science, and people who believe in science, know nature is very, very complex.

 

[ecco]

Two hundred thousand footsoldiers? LOLOL.. Not possible.

Are you suggesting the Bible lies?

 

[sooda]

Are you suggesting the Bible lies?

All of Palestine never had a population of more than 700,000. Look at Jerusalem in David's time.. It was only 14 acres.

 

[Rapture Era]

"Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord. 2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
4 So Saul summoned the men and mustered them at Telaim—two hundred thousand foot soldiers and ten thousand from Judah. 5 Saul went to the city of Amalek and set an ambush in the ravine.
Then he said to the Kenites, “Go away, leave the Amalekites so that I do not destroy you along with them; for you showed kindness to all the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt.” So the Kenites moved away from the Amalekites. 7 Then Saul attacked the Amalekites all the way from Havilah to Shur, near the eastern border of Egypt."

Do you know anything about the Amalekites? Here, read this and you will have a better understanding of why your above example was dealt with the way it was.
A tribe dwelling originally in the region south of Judah, the wilderness of et-Tih where the Israelites came into conflict with them. They were nomads as a people dwelling in that tract would naturally be. When they joined the Midianites to invade Israel they came "with their cattle and their tents" (Judges 6:3-5). They are not to be identified with the descendants of Esau (Genesis 36:12,16) because they are mentioned earlier, in the account of the invasion of Chedorlaomer (Genesis 14:7) and in Balaam's prophecy (Numbers 24:20) Amalek is called "the first of the nations," which seems to refer to an early existence. We are uncertain of their origin, for they do not appear in the list of nations found in Genesis 10. They do not seem to have had any relationship with the tribes of Israel, save as, we may surmise, some of the descendants of Esau were incorporated into the tribe. It is probable that they were of Semitic stock though we have no proof of it.

The first contact with Israel was at Rephidim, in the wilderness of Sinai, where they made an unprovoked attack and were defeated after a desperate conflict (Exodus 17:8-13; Deuteronomy 25:17,18). On account of this they were placed under the ban and Israel was commanded to exterminate them (Deuteronomy 25:19; 1 Samuel 15:2,3). The next encounter of the two peoples was when the Israelites attempted to enter Canaan from the west of the Dead Sea. The spies had reported that the Amalekites were to be found in the south, in connection with the Hittites, Jebusites and Amorites (Numbers 13:29). The Israelites at first refused to advance, but later determined to do so contrary to the will of God and the command of Moses. They were met by Amalek and the Canaanites and completely defeated (Numbers 14:39-45). Amalek is next found among the allies of Moab in their attack upon Israel in the days of Eglon (Judges 3:13). They were also associated with the Midianites in their raids upon Israel (Judges 6:3), and they seemed to have gained a foothold in Ephraim, or at least a branch of them, in the hill country (Judges 5:14; 12:15), but it is evident that the great body of them still remained in their old habitat, for when Saul made war upon them he drove them toward Shur in the wilderness toward Egypt (1 Samuel 15:1-9). David also found them in the same region (1 Samuel 27:8; 30:1). After this they seem to have declined, and we find, in the days of Hezekiah, only a remnant of them who were smitten by the Simeonites at Mount Seir (1 Chronicles 4:41-43). They are once mentioned in Psalms in connection with other inveterate enemies of Israel (Psalms 83:7). The hatred Inspired by the Amalekites is reflected in the passages already mentioned which required their utter destruction. Their attack upon them when they were just escaped from Egypt and while they were struggling through the wilderness made a deep impression upon the Israelites which they never forgot, and the wrath of David upon the messenger who brought him news of the death of Saul and Jonathan, declaring himself to be the slayer of Saul, was no doubt accentuated by his being an Amalekite (2 Samuel 1:1-16).

H. Porter

 

[sooda]

Do you know anything about the Amalekites? Here, read this and you will have a better understanding of why your above example was dealt with the way it was.
A tribe dwelling originally in the region south of Judah, the wilderness of et-Tih where the Israelites came into conflict with them. They were nomads as a people dwelling in that tract would naturally be. When they joined the Midianites to invade Israel they came "with their cattle and their tents" (Judges 6:3-5). They are not to be identified with the descendants of Esau (Genesis 36:12,16) because they are mentioned earlier, in the account of the invasion of Chedorlaomer (Genesis 14:7) and in Balaam's prophecy (Numbers 24:20) Amalek is called "the first of the nations," which seems to refer to an early existence. We are uncertain of their origin, for they do not appear in the list of nations found in Genesis 10. They do not seem to have had any relationship with the tribes of Israel, save as, we may surmise, some of the descendants of Esau were incorporated into the tribe. It is probable that they were of Semitic stock though we have no proof of it.

The first contact with Israel was at Rephidim, in the wilderness of Sinai, where they made an unprovoked attack and were defeated after a desperate conflict (Exodus 17:8-13; Deuteronomy 25:17,18). On account of this they were placed under the ban and Israel was commanded to exterminate them (Deuteronomy 25:19; 1 Samuel 15:2,3). The next encounter of the two peoples was when the Israelites attempted to enter Canaan from the west of the Dead Sea. The spies had reported that the Amalekites were to be found in the south, in connection with the Hittites, Jebusites and Amorites (Numbers 13:29). The Israelites at first refused to advance, but later determined to do so contrary to the will of God and the command of Moses. They were met by Amalek and the Canaanites and completely defeated (Numbers 14:39-45). Amalek is next found among the allies of Moab in their attack upon Israel in the days of Eglon (Judges 3:13). They were also associated with the Midianites in their raids upon Israel (Judges 6:3), and they seemed to have gained a foothold in Ephraim, or at least a branch of them, in the hill country (Judges 5:14; 12:15), but it is evident that the great body of them still remained in their old habitat, for when Saul made war upon them he drove them toward Shur in the wilderness toward Egypt (1 Samuel 15:1-9). David also found them in the same region (1 Samuel 27:8; 30:1). After this they seem to have declined, and we find, in the days of Hezekiah, only a remnant of them who were smitten by the Simeonites at Mount Seir (1 Chronicles 4:41-43). They are once mentioned in Psalms in connection with other inveterate enemies of Israel (Psalms 83:7). The hatred Inspired by the Amalekites is reflected in the passages already mentioned which required their utter destruction. Their attack upon them when they were just escaped from Egypt and while they were struggling through the wilderness made a deep impression upon the Israelites which they never forgot, and the wrath of David upon the messenger who brought him news of the death of Saul and Jonathan, declaring himself to be the slayer of Saul, was no doubt accentuated by his being an Amalekite (2 Samuel 1:1-16).

H. Porter

There is no evidence that there ever were any Amalekites.

However,

1 Kings 9:20
“All the people who were left of the Amorites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, who were not of the people of Israel - their descendants … - these Solomon made a forced levy of slaves, and so they are to this day.”

 

[ecco]

Two hundred thousand footsoldiers? LOLOL.. Not possible.

Are you suggesting the Bible lies?

All of Palestine never had a population of more than 700,000. Look at Jerusalem in David's time.. It was only 14 acres.

I'll ask again...

Are you suggesting the Bible lies?

 

[ecco]

Do you know anything about the Amalekites? Here, read this and you will have a better understanding...
<snip>
...declaring himself to be the slayer of Saul, was no doubt accentuated by his being an Amalekite (2 Samuel 1:1-16).

H. Porter

You stuck the name H. Porter at the end of your post. But it is not clear how much of your post is your own words and how much is Porter's.

Also, who is Porter? What are his/her qualifications?

Also, you did not show where you copied/pasted the quote from. This is important so that we can verify its authenticity.

 

[sooda]

I'll ask again...

They are story tellers.. Everything is exaggerated and embellished.. Joshua, the Exodus, the wealth of Solomon.

They didn't wipe out the Canaanites.. Noah's flood didn't kill all the Nephilim ..

In King David's time Jerusalem was only about 14 acres.

 

[Rapture Era]

Okay, I see that none of you really understand whats going on here. So, here is the conclusion of all we have talked about. The bottom line will be this, in the end, either the Word of God will be true, or the theory of evolution will be true. God will honor your decision if you choose to reject what he has done for you to save you from eternal damnation because of your sinful condition. But you really need to understand and contemplate the immense reality of refusing Gods free gift of eternal life. Forever means never ending, NEVER!
Now, you can choose to live in heaven forever in a constant euphoric state, or a state of suffering in massive proportions. Remember this, God never created Hell for humans. Only for the Devil and his angels. However, if you choose not to accept the sacrifice he made through Jesus Christ, you have made a conscious decision to accept the consequences of your decision. And that is separation from God for all of eternity.
I have heard people say, I'll be partying in hell with my friends. Well no you wont. You wont be having any relationship with anyone, you'll be all alone. Why? Because relationships are God given, and you choose to separate yourself from that. You will be all alone, never speaking to anyone, ever! Does this sound good to you? If you say yes, that is the height of, well, I'll let you fill that in. But this will be your reality for ever and ever and ever and ever! How does that sound? Something you are looking forward to? Most rational people would say Hell no! But you?

 

[Rapture Era]

You stuck the name H. Porter at the end of your post. But it is not clear how much of your post is your own words and how much is Porter's.
Also, who is Porter? What are his/her qualifications?
Also, you did not show where you copied/pasted the quote from. This is important so that we can verify its authenticity.

Oh you 'll verify it alright, just give it a little more time.