Truly Enlightened
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I'm afraid you can always lead 2 zealots to water, but you can't make them think.
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Rapture Era
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Sarcasm
Painfully obvious? Oh my
Seems like you have forgotten what I have been saying in the last 60 pages!Blind chance (evolution) is not a pathway to anything, much less the mind bending complexity of of all living organisms. Your beginning is false and therefore everything that follows is false. Like a math calculation.
Because a transcendent creator (Biblical God) is perfect, his original creation was perfect! These living organisms ARE the evidence of his creation on land, sea and in the air. With a proper theology, science makes total and complete sense. Without a proper theology, you end up trying to make the creation fit a false chronicle, which is exactly where the evolutionist remains today, just as they did from Darwin's time. Evolution will always be plagued to death with problems, why? Because it's a lie propogated by men who do not want to be under a moral law giver. They want to do what they want when they want, without any consequences for their actions.
That's because you don't understand the bible like you say we dont understand evolution
This should help:
While most modern Bible versions translate khûg as ‘circle’, a good case can be made that ‘sphere’ was the sense intended by the original Hebrew. Historically, scholars have often taken this view, preferring the Latin words sphaera, globus and orbis. The recent preference for ‘circle’ may have arisen from the belief that people living in Isaiah’s time were too primitive to realise the true nature of the earth. This would seem unlikely, however, as Job 26:7, probably written several centuries before, states that God “hangs the earth on nothing,” indicating that the ancient Hebrews had quite a sophisticated understanding of cosmology.
Everyone is in agreement that khûg carries the sense of roundness, and common usage makes clear that this can refer to either a two or three dimensional geometry. Hence, it cannot be argued that Isaiah 40:22 clearly teaches the earth to be a disc. Moreover, even if khûg does refer to a circle here, this doesn’t necessarily indicate flatness as a globe appears as a circle from whatever direction it is
Rapture Era
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Just to see if you would post the same thing you guys always seem to post when the question comes up, as if the mud-skipper is a real product of evolutionary processes.ecco said: ↑
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You asked a question.
I replied.
If my reply was predictable, why did you bother asking the question?
Rapture Era
Active Member
Oh brother
ecco
Veteran Member
ecco said: ↑
When you make comments like that, you make it painfully obvious that you have absolutely no understanding of evolution.
No, I have not forgotten what you have repeatedly asserted. Your comment about your understanding of the word "theory" was just the cherry on top of the icing.
You repeatedly prove that your understanding of science in general and evolution, in particular, is non-existent.
Instead of trying to argue science, you would garner much more respect if you just came out and factually stated:
God Said It
I Believe It
End Of Story
When you make comments like that, you make it painfully obvious that you have absolutely no understanding of evolution.
Painfully obvious? Oh my
No, I have not forgotten what you have repeatedly asserted. Your comment about your understanding of the word "theory" was just the cherry on top of the icing.
You repeatedly prove that your understanding of science in general and evolution, in particular, is non-existent.
Instead of trying to argue science, you would garner much more respect if you just came out and factually stated:
God Said It
I Believe It
End Of Story
ecco
Veteran Member
A Moral Lawgiver? Your god as specified in your bible?
Slavery is acceptable
Rape is acceptable
Murder is acceptable
Incest is acceptable
My morals are much higher than that.
ecco
Veteran Member
Yadda, yadda, yadda. Nice try at apologetics. Not convincing, but not too bad either. Actually, you should stick to that line of arguing. You seem to know more about the bible (some) than you do about science (nothing).
So, I'll just say again...
Instead of trying to argue science, you would garner much more respect if you just came out and factually stated:
God Said It
I Believe It
End Of Story
ecco
Veteran Member
Of course, the mudskipper is not the product of evolution. God made the mudskipper on the same day he made lions and tigers and elephants. Everyone knows that.Just to see if you would post the same thing you guys always seem to post when the question comes up, as if the mud-skipper is a real product of evolutionary processes.
Now let me ask, did all of god's mudskippers die in the Great Flood or did Noah find room for them on the ark or did they simply crawl back into the seas and wait it out?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
It's evidence for something you say is impossible. If you were being intellectually honest, you would address it rather than laughing it off.Just to see if you would post the same thing you guys always seem to post when the question comes up, as if the mud-skipper is a real product of evolutionary processes.
Rapture Era
Active Member
What does the word "Theory" mean to you?
How is my understanding of science and evolution non-existent?
Well, God did say it. And what he said it, it was! Whats so hard to understand about that? Again, science viewed through a proper theology fits perfectly!
Rapture Era
Active Member
I just love when you guys do this! I'm not sure I want to spend the time to educate you here because it wouldn't do any good because your ignorance in this area is not only predictable, but profound. Of course it is not acceptable! Read the "Ten Commandments"
Sinful men did these things, God does not condone any of it! But because God has given man free will to make his own decisions, this is the result. So don't reduce yourself by bringing up these ridiculous statements!
Rapture Era
Active Member
See what I mean? Viewing science through the lens of Genesis, everything fits quite nicely. It's when you try and extrapolate from the evidence of creation into the false belief that the laws of nature and the laws of physics came about in a naturalistic way all by itself is when everything becomes a big mess, the kind of mess evolutionists are in today and have been for over 150 years!
Rapture Era
Active Member
This is true, but not everyone knows this, take you for instance
"To start with, mudskippers have different ways to breathe depending on where they are. If underwater, they use their gills to absorb dissolved oxygen as most fishes do. But before they get ready to go ashore, they enlarge their gill chambers and fill them with water."
So, I dont know, you tell me.
Rapture Era
Active Member
Well, for one thing, it is humorous to me that every time this subject comes up, the evolutionist says see! This is proof of evolution!
What its proof of, is the massive intelligence and power of an omnipotent creator to create such a species as the Mud-skipper. This is complete intellectual honesty. Just because YOU cannot be intellectually honest about this fact is your problem not mine.
Again, and again, and again
the only true evidence of life on this planet and its vast diversification and abilities to reproduce, can only be attributed to a transcendent creator, who by the way, actually comes right out and tells us that he created everything in six literal 24 hours days. Just because You don't believe that, doesn't mean its not true. It just means that you don't want it to be true, for whatever reason, and are needing to reach and grasp at anything in the place of super natural creation. It's just the way it is!
Truly Enlightened
Well-Known Member
Painfully obvious? Oh my
Blind chance (evolution) is not a pathway to anything, much less the mind bending complexity of of all living organisms. Your beginning is false and therefore everything that follows is false. Like a math calculation.
Because a transcendent creator (Biblical God) is perfect, his original creation was perfect! These living organisms ARE the evidence of his creation on land, sea and in the air. With a proper theology, science makes total and complete sense. Without a proper theology, you end up trying to make the creation fit a false chronicle, which is exactly where the evolutionist remains today, just as they did from Darwin's time. Evolution will always be plagued to death with problems, why? Because it's a lie propogated by men who do not want to be under a moral law giver. They want to do what they want when they want, without any consequences for their actions.
What is painfully obvious is your level of closed-mindedness, science illiteracy, and willful ignorance. There seems to be a cognitive disconnect between what is real and what is imaginary. In the last 60 pages, you have only parroted that "God did it all". You provide no objective evidence, no models, no fallacy-free logic, no related examples, and not even one confirmed violation of any natural law(physics). Like most cult zealots, you don't understand the value of quiet introspection, or how to self analyze your own narrative objectively. It is just easier to believe that "God did it all", including creating a book that also says that "God did it all". It is much harder to spend most of your academic life, trying to understand just how "God did it all".
To skeptics and critical thinkers, you are at best a curiosity that represents what it means to have blind faith and a commitment to pious servitude. At worst, your belief represents an insidious encroachment of superstitious magic, that is designed to accelerate the "dumbing down" process, and to attack our individuality and will to excel. A return to the Dark Ages, if you will.
The scriptures are nothing more than a written smokescreen to accommodate and highlight our mortal insecurities, human weaknesses, and our crippling fear of death. We have suffered through 60 pages of hypocrisies, denials, and you clinging to your version of Pascal Wager. Without the fear of death, the promise of eternal pleasure, or the "my God is better than yours" mentality, all religious dogma would be exposed as the snake-oil-type idealism that they are. Why would anyone fear death, to become a stooge to their own imagination? We have all experienced non-life for 14.7 Billions years before our birth. There was no pain, no suffering, and no conscious awareness of self and spacetime. So why should we now believe that dying could cause us eternal pain and suffering? Unless anyone can demonstrate that the dead can suffer pain or be tormented, I can only except what has been clearly demonstrated to me before my conception. However, if there is any spiritual intervention after death, it will certainly be academic from my perspective. Death is a certainty not a choice. Maybe we will become part of a universal consciousness, have a new subjective perspective, or even be reincarnated as a toad. We have no control over what happens after life, so why are you so terrified?
By what divine signature can we use to determine if all living things are God's creation? Are all non-living things not part of God's creation? Shall we simply ignore, and dismiss the mountains of facts and data supporting the Theory of Evolution? Shall we simply conclude that "God did it all", just to placate the non-scientists, the willfully ignorant, and the biased views of all religious zealots? What is it about any living organism that says "God did it"? Is it in its complexity, or is it that you lack the understanding of its complexity? What may seem complex to you, may not be complex to a cell biologist, a neurophysiologists, a biochemist, or a geneticist.
How do you know God is perfect, or even exists? If God's original creations were perfect, where did we get sin from? Which commandment states that thou shalt not disobey God(not parents, neighbours, or other humans)? You are correct that if God doesn't exist, then everything that follows is false. So please demonstrate why God does exist? Your talking points about science are all irrelevant. Present your own belief-related evidence. Stop hiding behind any contrived weaknesses in science. Just cite one miracle, one ghost or spirit, one paranormal or supernatural event, one fallacy-free argument, or one example of any suspension or violation of the natural laws. Anything at all will do. Assume that all science is wrong, Now present your case. I didn't think so.
To skeptics and critical thinkers, you are at best a curiosity that represents what it means to have blind faith and a commitment to pious servitude. At worst, your belief represents an insidious encroachment of superstitious magic, that is designed to accelerate the "dumbing down" process, and to attack our individuality and will to excel. A return to the Dark Ages, if you will.
The scriptures are nothing more than a written smokescreen to accommodate and highlight our mortal insecurities, human weaknesses, and our crippling fear of death. We have suffered through 60 pages of hypocrisies, denials, and you clinging to your version of Pascal Wager. Without the fear of death, the promise of eternal pleasure, or the "my God is better than yours" mentality, all religious dogma would be exposed as the snake-oil-type idealism that they are. Why would anyone fear death, to become a stooge to their own imagination? We have all experienced non-life for 14.7 Billions years before our birth. There was no pain, no suffering, and no conscious awareness of self and spacetime. So why should we now believe that dying could cause us eternal pain and suffering? Unless anyone can demonstrate that the dead can suffer pain or be tormented, I can only except what has been clearly demonstrated to me before my conception. However, if there is any spiritual intervention after death, it will certainly be academic from my perspective. Death is a certainty not a choice. Maybe we will become part of a universal consciousness, have a new subjective perspective, or even be reincarnated as a toad. We have no control over what happens after life, so why are you so terrified?
By what divine signature can we use to determine if all living things are God's creation? Are all non-living things not part of God's creation? Shall we simply ignore, and dismiss the mountains of facts and data supporting the Theory of Evolution? Shall we simply conclude that "God did it all", just to placate the non-scientists, the willfully ignorant, and the biased views of all religious zealots? What is it about any living organism that says "God did it"? Is it in its complexity, or is it that you lack the understanding of its complexity? What may seem complex to you, may not be complex to a cell biologist, a neurophysiologists, a biochemist, or a geneticist.
How do you know God is perfect, or even exists? If God's original creations were perfect, where did we get sin from? Which commandment states that thou shalt not disobey God(not parents, neighbours, or other humans)? You are correct that if God doesn't exist, then everything that follows is false. So please demonstrate why God does exist? Your talking points about science are all irrelevant. Present your own belief-related evidence. Stop hiding behind any contrived weaknesses in science. Just cite one miracle, one ghost or spirit, one paranormal or supernatural event, one fallacy-free argument, or one example of any suspension or violation of the natural laws. Anything at all will do. Assume that all science is wrong, Now present your case. I didn't think so
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gnostic
The Lost One
Well, every time I read creationists’ replies, using “proof” instead of “evidence”, I laugh at the fact, that no matter how many times I have explained the differences to creationists, they cannot learn from their mistakes.
“Willful ignorance” is not a virtue, and yet creationists perfected such biased ignorance.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Which "Ten Commandment" says that incest is immoral, or that it's wrong to rape or enslave people?I just love when you guys do this! I'm not sure I want to spend the time to educate you here because it wouldn't do any good because your ignorance in this area is not only predictable, but profound. Of course it is not acceptable! Read the "Ten Commandments"
Sinful men did these things, God does not condone any of it! But because God has given man free will to make his own decisions, this is the result. So don't reduce yourself by bringing up these ridiculous statements!
On the other hand, there is stuff like this in Samuel 15:
"Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord. 2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
4 So Saul summoned the men and mustered them at Telaim—two hundred thousand foot soldiers and ten thousand from Judah. 5 Saul went to the city of Amalek and set an ambush in the ravine.
Then he said to the Kenites, “Go away, leave the Amalekites so that I do not destroy you along with them; for you showed kindness to all the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt.” So the Kenites moved away from the Amalekites. 7 Then Saul attacked the Amalekites all the way from Havilah to Shur, near the eastern border of Egypt."
sooda
Veteran Member
Two hundred thousand footsoldiers? LOLOL.. Not possible.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Except that Genesis does not "fit quite nicely" with the scientific evidence.
Evolution is the most robust, well-evidenced scientific theory in existence. No evidence has ever been presented that has falsified it, and every piece of evidence discovered over the last 150+ years has only solidified it even more. If it's so obviously wrong, why has nobody from your side of the aisle ever been able to present any evidence whatsoever that would falsify evolution?