the CRIME of the western world

[Islam Sword]

hi
in surat "Al baqara",sura number 2,verse 29:

29.he(God)created for you (people) everything in earth

here is the link to the sura:
http://www.holyquran.net/quran/chapters/2.html

the crime of the western world is that they took maybe more than 60% of the world's crude fortunes which are located in North America,Europe,Australia and New Zealand while western people represent only about 15% of the worlds population,this is not at all justice,I'm NOT saying that all westerns are bad,NO NO NO,westerns have so many nice people,so many good people,so many noble people,but they were only deceived by some of their leaders,those leaders may have wanted power,may have wanted women,may have wanted money,may have wanted glory,may have wanted fame,i don't know but in order to get those things they deceived their nations and left other people to suffer from poverty and some of them even die of starvation in places like Somalia

 

[michel]

hi
in surat "Al baqara",sura number 2,verse 29:

29.he(God)created for you (people) everything in earth

here is the link to the sura:
http://www.holyquran.net/quran/chapters/2.html

the crime of the western world is that they took maybe more than 60% of the world's crude fortunes which are located in North America,Europe,Australia and New Zealand while western people represent only about 15% of the worlds population,this is not at all justice,I'm NOT saying that all westerns are bad,NO NO NO,westerns have so many nice people,so many good people,so many noble people,but they were only deceived by some of their leaders,those leaders may have wanted power,may have wanted women,may have wanted money,may have wanted glory,may have wanted fame,i don't know but in order to get those things they deceived their nations and left other people to suffer from poverty and some of them even die of starvation in places like Somalia

I accept that some of what you say is true (and certainly historically it was true). But I hope you recognize that now (generally) the West is trying hard to help the poorer countries. You might also like to consider how much financial help the western Churches give the poorer poeople each and every year.

 

[Islam Sword]

this is not help michel,the west must declare the truth and give people back their rights,that is all crude fortunes in the whole world must be distributed by justice between everyone,ofcourse we wont be able to achieve ultimate justice because we are not Gods,but at least we can do the best as we can and in surat"Al baqara" verse no.286:
286.God doesn't charge anyone's self anything but what it can do
peace and blessings

 

[michel]

So you would want the world to 'go back' to as it was at which time in history ?
(So that everything the West has done that is bad is put right)

 

[Malus 12:9]

this is not help michel,the west must declare the truth and give people back their rights

I recall this issue with the Aussie Aboriginals. It's done more harm than good.

 

[Islam Sword]

it has been always like that,the pharoahs,the romans,the english,even islamic state did the same thing and they were punished,all of them were destroyed,the nearest example is the 1st and 2nd world wars which completely destroyed european states that took other people's rights,i'm afraid the same thing will happen to westerns if they don't take the right action,believe me michel,i really do care about you and i fear the anger of God on the inequitables,in surat "Al buruj",sura no.85,verses 12 to 16:
12.most surely the violent taking of your lord is vigorous
13.most surely he is the one who starts and puts back
14.and he is the one who is very forgiving very pally
15.owner of the glorious throne
16.doer alot of what he wants
link to the sura:
http://www.holyquran.net/quran/chapters/85.html
peace and blessings

 

[Bennettresearch]

it has been always like that,the pharoahs,the romans,the english,even islamic state did the same thing and they were punished,all of them were destroyed,the nearest example is the 1st and 2nd world wars which completely destroyed european states that took other people's rights,i'm afraid the same thing will happen to westerns if they don't take the right action,believe me michel,i really do care about you and i fear the anger of God on the inequitables,in surat "Al buruj",sura no.85,verses 12 to 16:
12.most surely the violent taking of your lord is vigorous
13.most surely he is the one who starts and puts back
14.and he is the one who is very forgiving very pally
15.owner of the glorious throne
16.doer alot of what he wants
link to the sura:
http://www.holyquran.net/quran/chapters/85.html
peace and blessings

Hi Sword,

I am glad you finally acknowledged Islam even though you opened with the western world. From ancient history it has always been power and wealth. The losers always complain, but experience teaches us that if given the chance they would do the same thing. The United States is unique in the history of the world and its biggest detractors do not have "clean hands" on the subject. I am not going to quote Jesus directly, but one thing that he says is that we should clean our own houses first. Therefore, I set a challenge to anyone else to set a better example.

 

[michel]

it has been always like that,the pharoahs,the romans,the english,even islamic state did the same thing and they were punished,all of them were destroyed,the nearest example is the 1st and 2nd world wars which completely destroyed european states that took other people's rights,i'm afraid the same thing will happen to westerns if they don't take the right action,believe me michel,i really do care about you and i fear the anger of God on the inequitables,in surat "Al buruj",sura no.85,verses 12 to 16:
12.most surely the violent taking of your lord is vigorous
13.most surely he is the one who starts and puts back
14.and he is the one who is very forgiving very pally
15.owner of the glorious throne
16.doer alot of what he wants
link to the sura:
http://www.holyquran.net/quran/chapters/85.html
peace and blessings

So how would you have 'The west' put things right ? what would we need to do ?

 

[Islam Sword]

to Bennetresearch,you are completely right at that if losers had the same chance they would have done the same thing,but i'm not talking about losers,i'm talking about the droit,the message of Muhammad aims to droit whenever wherever it is,i'm not a detractor of the United States,on the contrary,i wished for a long time to live there and to have the american nationality and i told you that westerns have so many nice people and i wasn't a real moslem before,but now i am,so i only aim to follow Muhammad's message and i want everyone to follow it because it carries the ultimate in peace,happiness,comfort and glory
peace and blessings

 

[Islam Sword]

like i told you Michel,God doesn't charge anyone's self more than it can do,so everyone on earth,not just westerns have to do only what they can to achieve justice,for westerns,i guess you won't be able to lead armies as individuals,but one individual can lead a protest that says:"we have no right to take other people's rights",you can donate a reasonable amount of money to poor people and those who die of hunger in different places of the world,but make sure that money will reach them,i think there are so many ways for us to do the right conduct and first of all we have to ask God to guide us and subvene us and everything will be "cool" as you americans say!
take care
peace and blessings

 

[TashaN]

I am not going to quote Jesus directly, but one thing that he says is that we should clean our own houses first. Therefore, I set a challenge to anyone else to set a better example.

I like this quote and i congratulate you for posting it and i'll add to it what God said in Quran:

[11] "For each (such person) there are (angels) in succession. Before and behind him: they guard him by command of Allah. Verily never will Allah change the condition of a people until they change it themselves (within themselves)......".
(13:11)

 

[Aqualung]

this is not help michel,the west must declare the truth and give people back their rights,that is all crude fortunes in the whole world must be distributed by justice between everyone,ofcourse we wont be able to achieve ultimate justice because we are not Gods,but at least we can do the best as we can and in surat"Al baqara" verse no.286:
286.God doesn't charge anyone's self anything but what it can do
peace and blessings

What rights? We got where we are today through hard work and determination. We don't owe anyboy anything (as a country) just because we're richer. Sure, we definitely should be helping the less fortuneate, but not because we owe them, but simply because we can.

 

[Scott1]

left other people to suffer from poverty and some of them even die of starvation in places like Somalia

Your staggering ignorance about Somalia is beyond words.

 

[Bennettresearch]

What rights? We got where we are today through hard work and determination. We don't owe anyboy anything (as a country) just because we're richer. Sure, we definitely should be helping the less fortuneate, but not because we owe them, but simply because we can.

Oh yes, Aqualung,

I have experienced that. Even when I was personally struggling there were those that expected something from me. Those with their hand out and being critical at the same time. Let's not forget that "every" other culture is better than ours, some even professing that we have no culture at all!!

 

[Islam Sword]

no Bennetresearch,i'm not saying that you don't have any culture,i'm only saying that we all must look up droit wherever,whenever it is

 

[Aqualung]

Oh yes, Aqualung,

I have experienced that. Even when I was personally struggling there were those that expected something from me. Those with their hand out and being critical at the same time. Let's not forget that "every" other culture is better than ours, some even professing that we have no culture at all!!

Oh yeah! I forgotten that we were actually the worst country with regards to culture!

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Islam Sword,

If you equally distributed all the wealth in the world, to every individual in the world on October 1, 2005. I guarantee you, by October 1, 2006, the money would me massively redistributed, and lo and behold, the people who are wealthier today, would by and large be the same ones who are wealthier then. Not to the same level in such a short time, of course, but the redistribution plan would only temporarily put everyone on an even footing. Good choices and natural ability would in very short order put the money back in the hands of those who are currently rich and powerful.

B.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Islam Sword-- I agree somewhat with what you're saying, but I think there are also other factors which cause poor nations to be poor. For example, in Saudi Arabia about 1% of the population is extremely wealthy, while the rest are relatively poor. Is that really the fault of the West? Somalia is another example. Much aid has been sent there, but unfortunately militant groups take this aid by force. Is that the West's fault, too? Is it the West's fault that North Koreans are starving as well? South Koreans are doing quite well for themselves....why do you think that is? Does South Korea have "crude resources" that North Korea doesn't have?

 

[Islam Sword]

i can't understand what you mean,this is no mock,if you are talking about gifts that God gave to us all,then this has nothing to do with it,i mean the CRUDE fortunes must be distributed by justice and then everyone has the complete right to do what he ever wants with his quota
peace and blessings

 

[Islam Sword]

yes,you are right Mr. Spinkles,there are really another factors,but the most important one of all is the all-just distribution of crude fortunes