The current 'transgender' community and 'movement'

[Left Coast]

Honestly, I don't really know much about this person. I don't really follow "YouTube personalities".

Her style is very over-the-top, but if you get past that she's pretty bright.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Very interesting and informative post.

Alas I am more familiar with the left leaning gender critical crowd.
Though I do certainly realise, like every demographic on the planet, transsexual people will have a wide variety of opinions and beliefs.

Could the schism you speak of also just be a generational divide?
By that I mean there are certainly older gay conservative (by Australian standards) folks who seem baffled by the lingo and activism present among the younger LGBTQ+ crowd.

Younger folk always explore in broader parameters than their elders.
Whether that’s identity, theory or even academically.
I feel like this is happening with the non binary crowd. No doubt future generations will explore identities outside of even gender fluidity.
Humans are on a very wide spectrum and I feel like we have barely scratched the surface.

I’m very much live and let live.
Whatever makes you happy, whichever identity makes you feel valid, go for your life. If you are a man, then you are a man and I am happy you’ve found happiness.

Some of it is generational, yes. Even I, who is only 31, is already old in terms of the community because I transitioned over a decade ago and even then, the social atmosphere was not the same. Many other trans people around my age feel the same. But it's not only that. I see some young detransitioners who make the same complaints, and what's worse is that they feel very damaged by it due to it encouraging them to make a bad decision.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Some of it is generational, yes. Even I, who is only 31, is already old in terms of the community because I transitioned over a decade ago and even then, the social atmosphere was not the same. Many other trans people around my age feel the same. But it's not only that. I see some young detransitioners who make the same complaints, and what's worse is that they feel very damaged by it due to it encouraging them to make a bad decision.

Video aside, serious question, wouldn't pressuring someone to only be included in the trans community if they medically transition lead to more rushed sex changes and thus more detransitioning?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

LOL. Okay. I still like you no matter what, Frank.

I hope you find some community that you can identify with, even if it's not the LGBTQ one. Most of us are pretty decent in my experience, although we have a few nuts in the jar as any group does.

Thank you. My preferred community is likely more religious in nature, honestly. I'm not exactly straight but have little interest in pursuing sex or relationships and I've made my feelings about the trans community clear, so there's not much interest in me for it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Video aside, serious question, wouldn't pressuring someone to only be included in the trans community if they medically transition lead to more rushed sex changes and thus more detransitioning?

People shouldn't be pressured to do anything. I think they should form their own communities, instead of following a model of trying to force such disparate groups into one. Transsexual people are actually very rare and our needs are mostly medical and practical. Non-binary people and other gender variant people are actually greater in number, so would have less of a problem in finding like-minded people. So it's not if I'm trying to disadvantage them. I don't know why they so badly want the label of 'transgender', anyway. It's not as if it confers some form of special dignity or privilege. I always liked the term 'androgyny', myself, for describing such people (I love Greek things). They can call themselves what they please. I just don't see myself in the same category as them because we are different.

 

[Left Coast]

Thank you. My preferred community is likely more religious in nature, honestly. I'm not exactly straight but have little interest in pursuing sex or relationships and I've made my feelings about the trans community clear, so there's not much interest in me for it.

I hope there is a Catholic community you feel close to. And that they do not exclude or guilt you on account of your being trans.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

People shouldn't be pressured to do anything. I think they should form their own communities, instead of following a model of trying to force such disparate groups into one. Transsexual people are actually very rare and our needs are mostly medical and practical. Non-binary people and other gender variant people are actually greater in number, so would have less of a problem in finding like-minded people. So it's not if I'm trying to disadvantage them. I don't know why they so badly want the label of 'transgender', anyway. It's not as if it confers some form of special dignity or privilege. I always liked the term 'androgyny', myself, for describing such people (I love Greek things). They can call themselves what they please. I just don't see myself in the same category as them because we are different.

I agree that people shouldn't be pressured and I think transitioning should be seriously weighted but I don't see how telling gender non-conformong people they shouldn't use the term 'trans' helps that. It's not like non-binary people sued for the term, it expanded to include them.

Can we agree that not all transgender people can or want to transition and that's fine? Can we also agree that some nonbinary people end up having more dysphoria and surgery (I know a enby person who had top surgery and another who had bottom surgery, facial surgery etc and all the practical things that come with hormones which plenty of enbys also take?)

 

[JustGeorge]

Thanks for writing this. I wish I could give you both a 'friendly' and 'informative' frubal, but I couldn't...

We're not a hive mind.

This is refreshing to hear. I feel the 'hive mind' is killing our society. Not just with sexuality issues, but...everything. Its like if you can't find a hive, you can't socialize.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

mine should be obvious)

I totally agree. My name is Sara. Isn't that enough? It's not even an "either/or" name.
Useless pandering from people who want to look like they are with it.
And then call every gg they know "dude," and then make it painfully obvious they don't really accept us and do put our otherness front and center when they ask if we are ok with that.

I had no idea this was going on. Thanks for taking the time to write from the heart and to post it and educate at least one person: me.

Yeah. There's a lot of the PC and cancel culture madness in trans groups. Such as, last time I was at a group meeting being a Trump supporter automatically meant someone is against us. Never mind that actually isn't true, and it's offensive when you have friends who support Trump and also accept and have no problems with trans people. But they get so whacky about it that critical thought is put aside to condemn something like Silence of the Lamb, a movie that features no one transgender person but gets condemned as a poor representation of trans people, never mind the fact it is explicitly stated in the movie and book Jame Gumm is not trans (apparently they want to be compared to serial killers like Ed Gein and Ted Bundy).
They also tend to not be much for hard facts, feeling they are mean and inappropriate even though necessary at times (like someone who is wasteful with electricity complaining about their bill, and getting upset at the steps that need to be taken to reduce that bill). But if you accidentally/don't actually misgender someone, they are going to go on and on and on and on, using the presumed correct pronouns way more than what would normally occur. In this case, Eddie Izzard coming out as trans in the 70s/80s whenever he did was misread as him transitioning to female, but I didn't realize that's what they were talking about and I said "oh, did he?" In the end it turns out I was right, they were wrong.
Even if you room with someone who claims to be trans but presents male threats, they do not want to hear you calling that person a male (and truly, when they act like that much of a toxic guy, such as having a very hard time with being told no and then proceeding anyways, I don't care. That's a guy and he's overstepping boundaries).

What I've seen so far doesn't make me want to watch all of it.

People keep suggesting that one to me. I've tried a few, but can't get anymore than a few minutes in. And I don't know why it's suggested. It's either stuff I pondered long ago, things I've already seen in research and books, and a bunch of blah that I suppose might help someone unfamiliar with the subject gain some insights and different perspectives, but when you've studied the subject and keep up with it I just don't see the appeal.

ww, you're using an old term, you're old and outdated

I hate that one too, especially because when I first did learn anything about the transcommunity I did learn terms like gg and tgirl, and things did seem more honest back then. Such as, there were no lies or pretending otherwise, we won't have a Cinderella transformation, there are definitely genetic differences and body differences between men and women, and we're going to have to expect to be **** on. When I was first learning, an article I was shown about how the lack of employment opportunities has many tgirls working as prostitutes, and it was a shocking thing to realize. But, it is the world and reality for many of us, and we be aware of that an accept it could be us the next prostitution article includes.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

It's either stuff I pondered long ago, things I've already seen in research and books, and a bunch of blah that I suppose might help someone unfamiliar with the subject gain some insights and different perspectives, but when you've studied the subject and keep up with it I just don't see the appeal.

Seems pretty up to date to me. Challenging the 'pink brain/blue brain' assumptions, talks about gender critical (aka terfs), talking about recent nonbinary inclusion and what that means for trans identity, deals with misinformation from the likes of Jordan Peterson and Shapiro.
Sure she talks about some classic feminism and some intro stuff too but I wouldn't call it shallow takes on the subject.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Seems pretty up to date to me. Challenging the 'pink brain/blue brain' assumptions, talks about gender critical (aka terfs), talking about recent nonbinary inclusion and what that means for trans identity, deals with misinformation from the likes of Jordan Peterson and Shapiro.
Sure she talks about some classic feminism and some intro stuff too but I wouldn't call it shallow takes on the subject.

And none of that is new to me.

 

[VoidCat]

. I don't know why they so badly want the label of 'transgender', anyway

I consider myself trans as transgender to me means someone who doesn't identify as the gender they were assigned at birth. I dont identify as the gender I was assigned. Therefore I am transgender.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

And none of that is new to me.

Define "new." Because like...Tumblr is multiple times older than the first dysphoria diagnosis. The lot of this is new.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Seems pretty up to date to me. Challenging the 'pink brain/blue brain' assumptions, talks about gender critical (aka terfs), talking about recent nonbinary inclusion and what that means for trans identity, deals with misinformation from the likes of Jordan Peterson and Shapiro.
Sure she talks about some classic feminism and some intro stuff too but I wouldn't call it shallow takes on the subject.

Just to clarify, I am pointing out that for me personally I don't get the appeal and why people keep telling me I need to watch. I've studied the subject for many years, psychology is my professional field, Jordan Peterson is even in my library. So, for me, it's like people are trying to get me to watch something I've seen in a 100 other ways before (kind of like a new horror movie that looks like the thousands of horror movies before it).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Tumblr is multiple times older than the first dysphoria diagnosis.

Huh? Christine Jorgensen medically transitioned in 1952. I don't know when Tumblr came about, but it definitely wasn't until decades later. And without modern surgeries and medicines we've basically been around as long as the rest of humanity.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Huh? Christine Jorgensen medically transitioned in 1952. I don't know when Tumblr came about, but it definitely wasn't until decades later. And without modern surgeries and medicines we've basically been around as long as the rest of humanity.

Transitioned, yes, but gender dysphoria as a diagnosis is very new. I'm talking about gender studies and philosophy type stuff. Let alone new terms from the last handful of years like transmedicalism.
(I checked. Gender dysphoria was first medically recognized in 2013)

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Just to clarify, I am pointing out that for me personally I don't get the appeal and why people keep telling me I need to watch. I've studied the subject for many years, psychology is my professional field, Jordan Peterson is even in my library. So, for me, it's like people are trying to get me to watch something I've seen in a 100 other ways before (kind of like a new horror movie that looks like the thousands of horror movies before it).

That's fair.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I hope there is a Catholic community you feel close to. And that they do not exclude or guilt you on account of your being trans.

I'm actually leaning more towards Orthodox Christianity in my studies and spiritual discernment. They're not as strident and rules-oriented in how they're setup, it seems (that certainly doesn't mean anything goes with them, though).

But I want to be clear that I don't feel like I'm not a part of the broader LGBT culture, really. I'll always be close to gay male culture as I've been so absorbed into it during my life, since I was a child. I was raised around gay men and lesbians and the closest I've had to a father figure was an older white gay man who treated me as his own child when he babysit me in San Francisco, when I was a child there in the '90s. Also, like I've said, I'm not a straight man. I'm bisexual. I'm no virgin, either. I've been with both men and women (as a man). So that's my culture, too. That means more to me than the trans stuff especially as it is now. Many of my favorite artists, musicians and philosophers are part of that community and obviously I love Greek stuff. Lol.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I agree that people shouldn't be pressured and I think transitioning should be seriously weighted but I don't see how telling gender non-conformong people they shouldn't use the term 'trans' helps that. It's not like non-binary people sued for the term, it expanded to include them.

Can we agree that not all transgender people can or want to transition and that's fine? Can we also agree that some nonbinary people end up having more dysphoria and surgery (I know a enby person who had top surgery and another who had bottom surgery, facial surgery etc and all the practical things that come with hormones which plenty of enbys also take?)

'Transgender' people can honestly do whatever they want because I don't have anything to do with that word. I don't like being called 'transgender'. That's not a new thing for me. I never did like it because the word itself never made sense to me. I am a transsexual man, a man with transsexualism or an FtM. Or what I just am - a man; the rest are just adjectives.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Define "new." Because like...Tumblr is multiple times older than the first dysphoria diagnosis. The lot of this is new.

It was called Gender Identity Disorder in the DSM for decades before they changed it to Gender Dysphoria in the DSM in 2013 or so.