The dark side of gender change for minors. Chloe Cole sues doctors and blames Biden.

[rational experiences]

Humans legal stance.

Ancient men maths fake woman changes womb science never allowed human women's equal rights. Their fault.

A human one species is two selves the teaching.

Science tried to theory one human without gender yet inferred a man was the God body. Lied.

Gender in all biology is exact in natural laws two.

So homosexuality emerged. Seen. Babies grew not genetalia aware. Consciously.

Some however were homosexual mind and via sudden changes. Proof an AI heavens conscious effect. Caused by science sun fallout. Transmitters increase...not natural visions...a mind state.

So humans legal stated as gender is born natural. Men should not be allowed to claim they were women.

They were changed men only in men behaviours.

As a legality.

As medical science is used to adapt the human body cosmetically it's just what it now does. As it can. No one used to be sex changed.

Once it was illegal for men to dress as women. Yet in the french revolution it proved men's pants clothes became very frock like. Like women.

Spiritual healers all wore dress robes to signify we don't abuse sexuality by our own body coverage. We don't judge what gods heaven owned caused. Even though men of science changed it. God still owned it.

Stating babies are innocent.

So discerning adults are meant to assess the legality of social support of family.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

There's a difference between a snip and mutilation.

Circumcision does not prevent becoming a parent but mutilation does.

Then a vasectomy?

 

[The Hammer]

I'm sure there are more than one out there.

Sure. But does it make a pattern? Prove to me the majority regret their decision.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Sure. But does it make a pattern? Prove to me the majority regret their decision.

I never said the majority. Not one time. So I'm just going to let people project and make up whatever they want.

It's what this thread is for aside from bringing this to people's attention.

 

[Quintessence]

I never said the majority. Not one time. So I'm just going to let people project and make up whatever they want.

It's what this thread is for aside from bringing this to people's attention.

I'm skeptical of this, but let's run with it. Humans sometimes do things they regret. This happens so routinely one has to ask an important question - why is this news? Given the utterly pedestrian normalcy of humans having regrets, why was this covered as if it is somehow newsworthy?

NEWSFLASH - HUMAN HAS REGRETS IN LIFE.

Okay? So? This human and every other human that's ever lived? What's the point of this story? What is it teaching?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'm skeptical of this, but let's run with it. Humans sometimes do things they regret. This happens so routinely one has to ask an important question - why is this news? Given the utterly pedestrian normalcy of humans having regrets, why was this covered as if it is somehow newsworthy?

NEWSFLASH - HUMAN HAS REGRETS IN LIFE.

Okay? So? This human and every other human that's ever lived? What's the point of this story? What is it teaching?

It's over the age of consent. A minor was involved.

 

[The Hammer]

I never said the majority. Not one time. So I'm just going to let people project and make up whatever they want.

It's what this thread is for aside from bringing this to people's attention.

You showed a "single" case like that changes the overall reality of the situation on transitions. Which it doesn't.

Transitioning helps more than hinders.

If you can't show otherwise, you're only doing your self and your opinion a disservice.

 

[The Hammer]

It's over the age of consent. A minor was involved.

And? Did they have parental permission? If so, so what?

Your pushing a nothing-burger as if it were somehow important.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You showed a "single" case like that changes the overall reality of the situation on transitions. Which it doesn't.

Transitioning helps more than hinders.

If you can't show otherwise, you're only doing your self and your opinion a disservice.

Doesn't negate one iota the fact there are people out there like Chole, and are in similar situations.

 

[The Hammer]

Doesn't negate one iota the fact there are people out there like Chole, and are in similar situations.

And there always will be, your point is what?

As was stated, humans often have varying regrets.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It's over the age of consent. A minor was involved.

Yes, and I think that people have admitted that in this case the doctors, if this happened, may have screwed up. We do not know all of the details. We have only heard from very biased and unreliable sources. Once again I have searched this more than once and only rather far right wing and Catholic sources report this story. That should raise a red flag. It does not refute it, but it should make one wonder.

This is a rare exception and if true shows why it is an exception. People do sometimes change their minds, especially when they are young. She may not have been trans, this is still a very new area of science. The sources that you used like to deny that being trans is not a real thing. And that is pretty much been shown to be wrong by experts in the field. They are desperately looking for anything that will support that claim of theirs, which is why this is a misleading debate to start with.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Doesn't negate one iota the fact there are people out there like Chole, and are in similar situations.

Except for the surgery part. Underaged surgery is a very rare procedure. There is are very good reasons that doctors that accept the concept of trans generally refuse to do this.

 

[Quintessence]

It's over the age of consent. A minor was involved.

That is a bit more concerning, yes.

I was raised by a librarian, so I'm a bit sensitive to how information gets presented and why in the media. All too often, superfluous information gets put into head lines to grab attention and serve as clickbait. Sometimes when this is done, it is to play to harmful stereotypes of marginalized groups. Other times, the proportion of coverage leads to skewed and biased perspectives. There's been studies done tracking this, and I can see about digging up one of the better ones some time.

Keeping these things in mind, what purpose does the headline - or your thread title - serve in how it frames this issue? It certainly isn't framing it as about the age of consent alone. It's adding something else in. What is that, and why?

 

[Twilight Hue]

That is a bit more concerning, yes.

I was raised by a librarian, so I'm a bit sensitive to how information gets presented and why in the media. All too often, superfluous information gets put into head lines to grab attention and serve as clickbait. Sometimes when this is done, it is to play to harmful stereotypes of marginalized groups. Other times, the proportion of coverage leads to skewed and biased perspectives. There's been studies done tracking this, and I can see about digging up one of the better ones some time.

Keeping these things in mind, what purpose does the headline - or your thread title - serve in how it frames this issue? It certainly isn't framing it as about the age of consent alone. It's adding something else in. What is that, and why?

It's a voice for people who happen to be in the minority that had garnered media attention.

Same reasoning when I created a thread involving abortion survivors.

 

[Twilight Hue]

And there always will be, your point is what?

As was stated, humans often have varying regrets.

Which is why I said it's worth considering.

Nothing past that, but you know how people project much further than simple considerations.

 

[Twilight Hue]

And there always will be, your point is what?

As was stated, humans often have varying regrets.

Hundreds of trans people regret changing their gender, says trans activist

Detransitioned teens explain why they regret changing genders

Regret after Gender-affirmation Surgery: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Prevalence

I think the reversion rate stands at about 4% based on past information I came across. Clearly not a majority.

Not all minors, but it's still there.

 

[The Hammer]

I think the reversion rate stands at about 4% based on past information I came across. Clearly not a majority.

Right, and that 4% will get the assistance they need/want. I'd rather the other 96% still have the opportunity to do what's best for them.

Outside of that is it really of your concern? Are you transitioning? Do you have a child transitioning?

 

[Twilight Hue]

And? Did they have parental permission? If so, so what?

Your pushing a nothing-burger as if it were somehow important.

It's not a nothingburger for Chole. Would you say that to Chole's face?

 

[The Hammer]

It's not a nothingburger for Chole. Would you say that to Chole's face?

Yes I would. Because as a whole, it's not a large enough concern to warrant changes in current public policy, against transitioning.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Right, and that 4% will get the assistance they need/want. I'd rather the other 96% still have the opportunity to do what's best for them.

Outside of that is it really of your concern? Are you transitioning? Do you have a child transitioning?

No. But I did feel enough compassion over this particular situation.