The Debate of God.

[Thief]

Yes, but not in the way your indoctrination has taught you.








I'm afraid you are projecting earthly history onto the future, contaminating the future with the past; in fact, it is Jewish history! On top of that, you're projecting your mental concept of heaven outward into some future, non-existent time and place. It's all in your head.



You cannot bring your baggage with you into the spiritual experience anyway. The 'person you have become' is fictional, a character that is the result of your social conditioning. All that must go before you can experience a spiritual transformation, which allows you to see ordinary existence in a new light.








There is no 'return' to God; you were never separated in the first place. That you are separate and in need of 'salvation' and deserving of entry into a heavenly realm is your delusion.

Reality is indivisible. Any 'division' occurs only in the mind.

When you create the concepts of 'deserving' and 'undeserving', you are setting up conflict, in which one group triumphs over the other.


"Reward the deserving man, and you plant envy in the hearts of the undeserving"

This post is denial of all that Man has learned.
Which may work for you as it seems your are indeed headed to the grave.
And there will be nothing left of you..... at all.

God has created the stage and the players.
You are you...because God wants it that way.

You say the character that you are is an illusion.
But then you say cause and effect.

There is cause and effect.
And there is cause and effect for you....as long as you remain you.

If you declare your person to be a lie.....
Then God will accommodate your declaration....and dismantle ....'you'.
If fact...all He need do is nothing.

You can't get out of your body. Your stuck n there.
You presence before God is an item allowed.
If you continue as you have, your declaration will be held to you.
You will fail to stand from your dust.

Eternal darkness is physically real.
No light follows anyone into the grave.

Your denial is acceptable.

 

[godnotgod]

This post is denial of all that Man has learned.

Most of which is just so much highly embellished and glittering crap that keeps him asleep and ignorant of his true nature and at war with himself and his neighbor!

Which may work for you as it seems your are indeed headed to the grave.

Everyone must submit to death. It is one of the gifts of the Incarnation, and is cause for celebration. Why are you such a ninny about it? Accept it and get over it, already!

And there will be nothing left of you..... at all.

That is a good thing. I would'nt want to contaminate the present with the past by bringing forth residues of my past experiences. Why is it that you are so willing to do so? Be a good camper: leave your place nice and clean as you found it. When you leave, just burn yourself completely, like a good bonfire. Leave no trace. We don't need your baggage laying around for us to deal with. OK? Thank you!

Now go to your room!

God has created the stage and the players.
You are you...because God wants it that way.

It's just one of God's shape-shifting tricks: now you see me; now you don't. nyah nyah nyah...

You say the character that you are is an illusion.
But then you say cause and effect.

There is cause and effect.
And there is cause and effect for you....as long as you remain you.

There is only cause and effect when you take the illusion to be real. Then you act upon the illusion to create waves in the world, which cause more suffering. That is why, grasshopper, you must learn to walk on rice paper without tearing it.

If you declare your person to be a lie.....
Then God will accommodate your declaration....and dismantle ....'you'.
If fact...all He need do is nothing.

You're not paying attention....again!...the lie is the character that society has created that you only think is real; the real self is not that character. I am not my history. I am beyond birth and death, but to know that, you must first awaken. But you don't want to awaken; you want to cling to your thumb-sucking security blanket fantasy of some distant candy cotton heaven in the sky, instead of courageously facing the reality that is right under your nose. Instead, you want to perpetuate your ego by 'standing up from your dust', instead of just letting dust lie as it is. Be done with it, already!

You can't get out of your body. Your stuck n there.
You presence before God is an item allowed.
If you continue as you have, your declaration will be held to you.
You will fail to stand from your dust.

I have no attachment to dust as you do. When will you cease to cling to it?

Belief clings;
Faith lets go.

Let go and live.

Eternal darkness is physically real.
No light follows anyone into the grave.

You are still conflicting reality with itself, light against dark, good against evil, death against life. When will you learn, or rather, unlearn: these dualities are complimentary and work together, not in opposition with one another! All you are doing with your silly scenario of 'standing up from the dust' and walking with angels is to perpetuate the vicious cycle of suffering by pitting the opposites against one another. You are like a bug on the equator of a billiard ball going round and round, always repeating your journey and thinking you are getting someplace.

JUST STOP! THAT IS ALL!

Your denial is acceptable.

It is not denial; it is negation, but your ignorance is not acceptable.

Now go to your room!

 

[waitasec]

You will fail to stand from your dust.

Eternal darkness is physically real.
No light follows anyone into the grave.

Your denial is acceptable.

 

[Thief]

Most of which is just so much highly embellished and glittering crap that keeps him asleep and ignorant of his true nature and at war with himself and his neighbor!



Everyone must submit to death. It is one of the gifts of the Incarnation, and is cause for celebration. Why are you such a ninny about it? Accept it and get over it, already!



That is a good thing. I would'nt want to contaminate the present with the past by bringing forth residues of my past experiences. Why is it that you are so willing to do so? Be a good camper: leave your place nice and clean as you found it. When you leave, just burn yourself completely, like a good bonfire. Leave no trace. We don't need your baggage laying around for us to deal with. OK? Thank you!

Now go to your room!



It's just one of God's shape-shifting tricks: now you see me; now you don't. nyah nyah nyah...



There is only cause and effect when you take the illusion to be real. Then you act upon the illusion to create waves in the world, which cause more suffering. That is why, grasshopper, you must learn to walk on rice paper without tearing it.



You're not paying attention....again!...the lie is the character that society has created that you only think is real; the real self is not that character. I am not my history. I am beyond birth and death, but to know that, you must first awaken. But you don't want to awaken; you want to cling to your thumb-sucking security blanket fantasy of some distant candy cotton heaven in the sky, instead of courageously facing the reality that is right under your nose. Instead, you want to perpetuate your ego by 'standing up from your dust', instead of just letting dust lie as it is. Be done with it, already!



I have no attachment to dust as you do. When will you cease to cling to it?

Belief clings;
Faith lets go.

Let go and live.



You are still conflicting reality with itself, light against dark, good against evil, death against life. When will you learn, or rather, unlearn: these dualities are complimentary and work together, not in opposition with one another! All you are doing with your silly scenario of 'standing up from the dust' and walking with angels is to perpetuate the vicious cycle of suffering by pitting the opposites against one another. You are like a bug on the equator of a billiard ball going round and round, always repeating your journey and thinking you are getting someplace.

JUST STOP! THAT IS ALL!



It is not denial; it is negation, but your ignorance is not acceptable.

Now go to your room!

Did you actually proof read any of this before you posted?

 

[godnotgod]

Did you actually proof read any of this before you posted?

Go, play with your rice paper for awhile.

 

[Thief]

Go, play with your rice paper for awhile.

Not factual.

Did you have something to aim at my beliefs?
Or am I now your target?

 

[confused453]

While asleep and dreaming, the dream is real. Once we awaken, we see that the dream is not real.

While asleep somebody like a family member, friend, or even noise could wake us up any time. If this reality were a dream like you say, there would be somebody or something in your wakeup world which could wake us up too. So far I haven's see any evidence for that.

 

[godnotgod]

Did you have something to aim at my beliefs?

Yes, my repeated request that you provide the premises upon which they are based.

 

[godnotgod]

While asleep somebody like a family member, friend, or even noise could wake us up any time. If this reality were a dream like you say, there would be somebody or something in your wakeup world which could wake us up too. So far I haven's see any evidence for that.

Maybe you don't want to see it. Your rational mind is doing everything possible NOT to see it; NOT to awaken; and most of what you call 'reality' is keeping you asleep through the clever manipulation of your mind in order to give you the illusion that you are awake and in control of your life. But in spite of the odds against your waking up, t's your choice to awaken or stay asleep. Here:

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Alan Watts - The Way of Waking Up

 

[Thief]

Yes, my repeated request that you provide the premises upon which they are based.

This thread is over two thousand responses deep.

What you ask has already been done...repeatedly.

 

[godnotgod]

This thread is over two thousand responses deep.

What you ask has already been done...repeatedly.

No, it has not been done. All you have said is that you believe in a 'next life' because it is a 'reasonable' assumption in light of the fact that everyone dies. That is not an argument, nor is it evidence, which, as I have pointed out, I am not requesting, as I know that none exists. I just want to know your rationale as it applies to the question:

"I believe in the reality of a 'next life' based upon the following premise: _____________________."

All waves on the surface of the sea are subject to dissolution as a rule. Does this mean they have a 'next life'? Of course not.

 

[Thief]

No, it has not been done. All you have said is that you believe in a 'next life' because it is a 'reasonable' assumption in light of the fact that everyone dies. That is not an argument, nor is it evidence, which, as I have pointed out, I am not requesting, as I know that none exists. I just want to know your rationale as it applies to the question:

"I believe in the reality of a 'next life' based upon the following premise: _____________________."

All waves on the surface of the sea are subject to dissolution as a rule. Does this mean they have a 'next life'? Of course not.

So somehow this following idea did not come up?
Should have.
I suppose I'm working too many threads.....here you go....
From another thread moments ago...I quote myself...

Someone had to be first..in mind and spirit.

So place yourself as the Creator....yes you can.
Having made all things you then realize....you are alone.
Your creation responds to your touch...but does not really respond.

Casting your own image is easy...but that would be talking to yourself.
As if listening to your own echo.

So all you then have to work with is substance, and the chemistry you have made has rules.

Now you need a planet with specific qualities.....Earth.
Then a form that suits your need for unique spirit.
Many forms are made.....
Then comes Man, and then the garden event.

All of this to make a unique spirit.....and many of them.

 

[godnotgod]

So somehow this following idea did not come up?
Should have.
I suppose I'm working too many threads.....here you go....
From another thread moments ago...I quote myself...

Someone had to be first..in mind and spirit.

So place yourself as the Creator....yes you can.
Having made all things you then realize....you are alone.
Your creation responds to your touch...but does not really respond.

Casting your own image is easy...but that would be talking to yourself.
As if listening to your own echo.

So all you then have to work with is substance, and the chemistry you have made has rules.

Now you need a planet with specific qualities.....Earth.
Then a form that suits your need for unique spirit.
Many forms are made.....
Then comes Man, and then the garden event.

All of this to make a unique spirit.....and many of them.

....and they all lived happily ever after in sugar plum fairyland waaaaaaaaaaaaay out yonder, and a good time was had by all....yawn....:beach:

nightie night

 

[godnotgod]

HERE....HAVE A NICE, BIG PIECE OF CELESTIAL 'SKY CAKE', WHY DON'CHA?.....

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Patton Oswalt - Sky Cake - YouTube

 

[godnotgod]

ISLAM VS. CHRISTIANITY

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Colbert, Stewart, and Carell - On Religion - YouTube

 

[Thief]

....and they all lived happily ever after in sugar plum fairyland waaaaaaaaaaaaay out yonder, and a good time was had by all....yawn....:beach:

nightie night

Shallow retort is hardly a debate about God.

 

[godnotgod]

Shallow retort is hardly a debate about God.

There is no debate. It's a celebration. But you don't get to celebrate until you walk on rice paper without a single tear, grasshoppa. Just think 'smooth as silk; silent as the falling snow' and you'll be alright.:super:

 

[Thief]

There is no debate. It's a celebration. But you don't get to celebrate until you walk on rice paper without a single tear, grasshoppa. Just think 'smooth as silk; silent as the falling snow' and you'll be alright.:super:

Next step up....walk with grace, among angels.

 

[godnotgod]

Next step up....walk with grace, among angels.

...and the Angel said:

"dragons don't walk with me 'til they walk on rice paper like silent, gently falling snow, grasshoppa. now go back to your drawing board.":angel2::slap:

 

[Absolute Zero]

Rice paper ? godnotgod Did such a thing even exsist in the middle east during that time ? Thought it was only around in Asian cultures ?