the definition of cuckod between the Westerns and Muslims

[Godobeyer]

Do you realize that you have been making an excellent argument for opposing islam, for stamping it out?

If it demands barbarities, away with it!

even the Bible ask the wives to submit to their husbands , you had very much barbariens around here

 

[Looncall]

even the Bible ask the wives to submit to their husbands , you had very much barbariens around here

As it happens, I feel much the same about all the Abrahamic religions, and most others too.

 

[Meow Mix]

Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other

What about women that do some things better than men? Do you think it's impossible for women to excel over men?

 

[Meow Mix]

me too i do the same , i furbaled you , because she furbaling him for furbaling her .

Well now I fruballed you for frubaling him for frubaling... uh... what? *head explodes*

 

[Kerr]

Well now I fruballed you for frubaling him for frubaling... uh... what? *head explodes*

I would furbal you if I could for furbaling him for furbaling me for furbaling you for furbaling Badran for furbaling ssainhu, but the forum says I must furbal someone else first :sad4:.

We must raise more furbals for Meow Mix so we can grow back her head in a lab and attach it to her body, so she can continue to furbal in this long furbaling chain of furbals!

 

[Godobeyer]

What about women that do some things better than men? Do you think it's impossible for women to excel over men?

of course there is women excel over men ,
and that verse of Quran is talking about the "responsiblity and duty of man "

 

[beenie]

I just frubaled you for frubaling her for being so nice

Frubaled for frubaling his frubals...errr, I've lost track...I just frubaled you. I need no excuse!

I just furbaled you for furbaling him for furbaling her for being so nice .

You got some too; I have no idea where all these frubals are going...

accuatly i just fast read it , it's my bad , that mean that you are agree with me in this submission of the wife , and agree with soft beating the insubordinate wife

I don't think Badran agrees with any of this, but I suppose he can answer himself.


btw i was pleased you to reply to me a short , that's was your short in that link :run:

I would furbal you if I could for furbaling him for furbaling me for furbaling you for furbaling Badran for furbaling ssainhu, but the forum says I must furbal someone else first :sad4:.

We must raise more furbals for Meow Mix so we can grow back her head in a lab and attach it to her body, so she can continue to furbal in this long furbaling chain of furbals!

 

[Godobeyer]

I would furbal you if I could for furbaling him for furbaling me for furbaling you for furbaling Badran for furbaling ssainhu, but the forum says I must furbal someone else first :sad4:.

We must raise more furbals for Meow Mix so we can grow back her head in a lab and attach it to her body, so she can continue to furbal in this long furbaling chain of furbals!

hey what mean furbals ?

 

[Meow Mix]

of course there is women excel over men ,
and that verse of Quran is talking about the "responsiblity and duty of man "

Ok, well... I don't have as much of a problem with that idea as long as you don't have some weird mistaken notion that women are inherently inferior to men. If it's just about religious duty, that's still very strange to me -- but as long as you regard women to be your peers and not below you then I'm far more comfortable with this conversation.

 

[Draka]

I'm wondering Godobeyer, if in your opinion it is the man's duty to take care of the wife financially, what of wives who make more money than their husbands? If the wife is of higher intelligence and/or skill and can succeed at a job that makes far more money than the husband is the husband considered somehow "less" or should he be ashamed? Is he failing in his duties if his wife happens to do better financially than him?

Along those lines, what if he becomes disabled in some way and the wife becomes the sole breadwinner, quite successfully mind you, is he failing in his duties? Will he be looked down upon by god and others?

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm wondering Godobeyer, if in your opinion it is the man's duty to take care of the wife financially, what of wives who make more money than their husbands? If the wife is of higher intelligence and/or skill and can succeed at a job that makes far more money than the husband is the husband considered somehow "less" or should he be ashamed? Is he failing in his duties if his wife happens to do better financially than him?

Along those lines, what if he becomes disabled in some way and the wife becomes the sole breadwinner, quite successfully mind you, is he failing in his duties? Will he be looked down upon by god and others?

Draka , it's not my opinion or personal , it's God and His Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said .
i knew it in arabic (it's my language ) and even the tranlation is exaclty the meaning in arabic .

 

[Draka]

Draka , it's not my opinion or personal , it's God and His Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said .
i knew it in arabic (it's my language ) and even the tranlation is exaclty the meaning in arabic .

Okay, you believe it is not your opinion and that it is god's. Whatever. that wasn't my question. Can you address what I asked?

 

[Godobeyer]

Okay, you believe it is not your opinion and that it is god's. Whatever. that wasn't my question. Can you address what I asked?

you mean this question ?

what of wives who make more money than their husbands?

where is the problem ? if the wife make more money , many poor husbands married rich women , that's give her the right to be the leader ? no ,only if he decent to her ,that's refer to him .
for my opinion the man should married woman which in his level, " fortune".

If the wife is of higher intelligence and/or skill and can succeed at a job that makes far more money than the husband is the husband considered somehow "less" or should he be ashamed?

the same thing , if she had intelligence and skill (she was not pious) she will arrogant to him , and feel shame with him .
for this i required the mariage of the same level of knowglege

Is he failing in his duties if his wife happens to do better financially than him?

if he failing in his duties , and she had better money , for my opinion she should help him ,if for my opinion she had the right to divorce him or stay with him

and even she the sole breadwinner , she should respect and obey him because God ordre her , the muslim wife obey her husband because God ordre (her duty ) not because the man deserve or not , you (saw ) know the verse of Quran and Hadiths there were no exceptions .

 

[Draka]

you mean this question ?
where is the problem ? if the wife make more money , many poor husbands married rich women , that's give her the right to be the leader ? no ,only if he decent to her ,that's refer to him .

I didn't ask about anyone being "leader". I don't believe there is such a need for a "leader" in a relationship. I simply wanted to know, if a husband's responsibility is to provide for his wife, then how is he viewed if his wife provides for him?

for my opinion the man should married woman which in his level, " fortune".
the same thing , if she had intelligence and skill (she was not pious) she will arrogant to him , and feel shame with him .
for this i required the mariage of the same level of knowglege

Firstly, having intelligence and skill doesn't mean someone will be arrogant about it. Nor does it mean they will look down on others not quite as smart or talented. And what if you fall in love with someone and marry them and THEN find out that are actually much better than you at certain things? Or at some point after the marriage they get a job offer or a promotion that puts their income far above yours? Do you divorce such a woman?

if he failing in his duties , and she had better money , for my opinion she should help him ,if for my opinion she had the right to divorce him or stay with him

Wouldn't this be easier to look at in a way where both of them share the duties to maintain their home and take care of each other?

and even she the sole breadwinner , she should respect and obey him because God ordre her , the muslim wife obey her husband because God ordre (her duty ) not because the man deserve or not , you (saw ) know the verse of Quran and Hadiths there were no exceptions .

If she is the sole breadwinner then wouldn't it make sense for the husband to take on the role of homemaker? Not even talking about "obeying" here. If a woman had the sole income in a family would the husband be looked down upon for taking on the role of homemaker and was responsible for cooking and cleaning and laundry and being the main caretaker of any children?

I'm asking how, in your opinion, men in these situations are viewed? Are they somehow failing god or Islam? Are they "less" than what men "should be" because their wives have a more prominent role financially than they do? Or because they take on the role of primary homemaker?

 

[beenie]

you mean this question ?
where is the problem ? if the wife make more money , many poor husbands married rich women , that's give her the right to be the leader ? no ,only if he decent to her ,that's refer to him .
for my opinion the man should married woman which in his level, " fortune".
the same thing , if she had intelligence and skill (she was not pious) she will arrogant to him , and feel shame with him .
for this i required the mariage of the same level of knowglege

if he failing in his duties , and she had better money , for my opinion she should help him ,if for my opinion she had the right to divorce him or stay with him

and even she the sole breadwinner , she should respect and obey him because God ordre her , the muslim wife obey her husband because God ordre (her duty ) not because the man deserve or not , you (saw ) know the verse of Quran and Hadiths there were no exceptions .

I have no words...

Caste system is strictly forbidden in Islam; the only think that man and woman should be "equal" in according to Allah is their faith. Women are in no way OBLIGATED to share her wealth with her husband (religiously), but if she feels respected, loved, and nurtured by him, I'm quite certain she would do so willingly.

 

[Draka]

she should respect and obey him because God ordre her , the muslim wife obey her husband because God ordre (her duty ) not because the man deserve or not , you (saw ) know the verse of Quran and Hadiths there were no exceptions .

That part itself is very disturbing. So, by this, if a man is a cretin who talks down to and belittles his wife, slaps her, treats her like an idiot and slave, demands sex from her whenever he wants, she should obey him no matter what? It doesn't matter if he is a complete ***, she should obey him because god says she should?

 

[Godobeyer]

That part itself is very disturbing. So, by this, if a man is a cretin who talks down to and belittles his wife, slaps her, treats her like an idiot and slave, demands sex from her whenever he wants, she should obey him no matter what? It doesn't matter if he is a complete ***, she should obey him because god says she should?

yes , she should obey him , even she is feel that he is not deserve , because she obey God by obey her husband .
and if she could not , she ask the divorce .

 

[Draka]

yes , she should obey him , even she is feel that he is not deserve , because she obey God by obey her husband .
and if she could not , she ask the divorce .

That's sick.

Anywho, any response to my above post?

 

[Kerr]

hey what mean furbals ?

Think its just a way to say that you like a specific post, but it has kind of gotten out of hand. Like the furbal chain -

 

[beenie]

yes , she should obey him , even she is feel that he is not deserve , because she obey God by obey her husband .
and if she could not , she ask the divorce .

Oh, please. It's becoming harder and harder to take anything you say seriously.