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the definition of cuckod between the Westerns and Muslims

Godobeyer

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
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9-10ths_Penguin said:
And any man who beats a woman to get her to have sex with him is a rapist... just as I said.
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she is wife , not forgien woman .

anyway it's our religion and even the christainity ,ask the wife to subordinate to his husband .
 
Badran

Badran

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Godobeyer said:
I miss understand her , when in first time she said "she worked at 12 " ,then she now ,said "she helped her father ", there is different between help and work .
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Godobeyer said:
and from the same link

boycotting products manufactured through child labour may force these children to turn to more dangerous or strenuous professions, such as prostitution or agriculture. For example, a UNICEF study found that after the Child Labor Deterrence Act was introduced in the US, an estimated 50,000 children were dismissed from their garment industry jobs in Bangladesh

Child labour - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Godobeyer, could you please put more effort into reading what i post for you? :)

I'm trying to point out that what Draka said, in whichever way that is (work or help or whatever), is not in fact meeting the definition of child labor. When your father/mother let you help them in their shop thats not child labor. When your mother/father let you help them in the house with certain tasks thats not child labor. Its normal activities between parents and children, that both help build a healthy relationship and teach the child certain skills that in some cases are also very beneficial for him/her in the future.

That said, what do you think the part you quoted is actually saying? I don't see what is it supposed to reveal.
 
Badran

Badran

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Godobeyer said:
:D

i will softly beat her, as the my religion said .
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Sorry for getting a bit personal, but consider the following more of an assessment of what i perceive to be a certain mentality, rather than addressing you personally (i don't know you). But based on what you said, and assuming thats what the religion teaches, thats not why you're actually going to do it. What you said makes me think that you already have your own preferences and ideas about how women should act and should be treated. You don't like them independent, you don't like them strong (physically or mentally), you don't like them to get crazy ideas such as them being your equals, and you don't like them to be exposed to anything or anyone that might make you feel like less of a man (which is pretty much anything that doesn't involve you).

What i'm saying is, you're not doing it simply because your religion tells you so and you have to, its because thats what you like, prefer and think is best. You personally are totally okay with beating a woman until she's "convinced" to have sex with you, because thats how much you respect women, and how much you respect yourself.
 
K

Kerr

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Godobeyer said:
if she just refusing with no reason , this is the result .

Bukhari and Muslim report from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said:
“If a man calls his wife to his bed and she does not come, and he goes to sleep angry with her, the angels will curse her until the morning.”17
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Since when does people need a reason to not have sex :areyoucra? I though they needed a reason to have sex.
 
Godobeyer

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
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Badran said:
Sorry for getting a bit personal, but consider the following more of an assessment of what i perceive to be a certain mentality, rather than addressing you personally (i don't know you). But based on what you said, and assuming thats what the religion teaches, thats not why you're actually going to do it. What you said makes me think that you already have your own preferences and ideas about how women should act and should be treated. You don't like them independent, you don't like them strong (physically or mentally), you don't like them to get crazy ideas such as them being your equals, and you don't like them to be exposed to anything or anyone that might make you feel like less of a man (which is pretty much anything that doesn't involve you).

What i'm saying is, you're not doing it simply because your religion tells you so and you have to, its because thats what you like, prefer and think is best. You personally are totally okay with beating a woman until she's "convinced" to have sex with you, because thats how much you respect women, and how much you respect yourself.
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it's depend about what you mean " independent and equal and crazy ideas ...."
that personal , if you want your let you wife independent and crazy ideas , that your problem .

for Hadith ,when my wife refuse to sex with me (without ) reason , i will softly beat her , because she disobey me . and she already cursed by GOD by HADITH SAHIH
انت الان تحاول ان تكون ضد الحديث النبوي ..... وهذا حرام

عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ رَضِيَ الله عَنْهُ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ: "إِذَا بَاتَتِ الْمَرْأَةُ هَاجِرَةً فِرَاشَ زَوْجِهَا بَاتَتْ تَلْعَنُهَا الْمَلَائِكَةُ حَتَّى تُصْبِحْ". أخرجه أحمد (2/386 ، رقم 9001) ، والبخاري (5/1994 ، رقم 4898) ، ومسلم (2/1059 ، رقم 1436) . وأخرجه أيضًا : الدارمي (2/201 ، رقم 2228) ، والنسائي فى الكبرى (5/313 ، رقم 8970) ، وأبو عوانة (3/86 ، رقم 4295) ، وابن حبان (9/481 ، رقم 4174). قال الإمام النووي في "شرح صحيح مسلم": وَفِي رِوَايَة (حَتَّى تَرْجِع) هَذَا دَلِيل عَلَى تَحْرِيم اِمْتِنَاعهَا مِنْ فِرَاشه لِغَيْرِ عُذْر شَرْعِيّ وَلَيْسَ الْحَيْض بِعُذْرٍ فِي الِامْتِنَاع لِأَنَّ لَهُ حَقًّا فِي الِاسْتِمْتَاع بِهَا فَوْق الْإِزَار. وَمَعْنَى الْحَدِيث أَنَّ اللَّعْنَة تَسْتَمِرّ عَلَيْهَا حَتَّى تَزُول الْمَعْصِيَة بِطُلُوعِ الْفَجْر وَالِاسْتِغْنَاء عَنْهَا أَوْ بِتَوْبَتِهَا وَرُجُوعهَا إِلَى الْفِرَاش.

from
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Also from Abu Hurairah (radiyallaahu ‘anhu), Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said:
“When a man calls his wife to bed and she does not come to him, and he spends the night angry with her, the angels curse her until the morning arrives.” [Reported by Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim]



from

http://www.pinkislam.com/marriage/the-obligation-of-a-woman-obeying-her-husband.html



let refer to our main subject :
ok plz let me post the verse that you don't agree with, because you never said that you agree (all of you Badran and ssainu and Debater Slayer ) !!!, and it's seem now that Hadith also you disgree with it also !!!!


الرجال قوامون على النساء بما فضل الله بعضهم على بعض وبما انفقوا من اموالهم فالصالحات قانتات حافظات للغيب بما حفظ الله واللاتي تخافون نشوزهن فعظوهن واهجروهن في المضاجع واضربوهن فان اطعنكم فلا تبغوا عليهن سبيلا ان الله كان عليا كبيرا

Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

look ,as i told in other thread ,ah you mean, we pick what we appropriate and leave what it's not !! NO !!! and never !!!
because almost of the rules of Islam is coming/extrat from Quran .
because if I tell that "no i would never soft beat my insubordinate wife " that mean i am accuse the Quran that contain default , and God suggest/require a something could not be acceptible !!!, this is a solution from God to a problem (insubordinate wife), and we should follow it and make all the step, because some others ignore it and misuse it, jump directly to divorce or jump directly to "soft beat " , God suggest steps we need to respect them .

انت الان تحاول ان تكون ضد الاية القرانية هذا قطعا حرام

the furbals make you happy , you would get it .
 
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Looncall

Looncall

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Godobeyer said:
it's depend about what you mean " independent and equal and crazy ideas ...."
that personal , if you want your let you wife independent and crazy ideas , that your problem .

for Hadith ,when my wife refuse to sex with me (without ) reason , i will softly beat her , because she disobey me . and she already cursed by GOD by HADITH SAHIH
انت الان تحاول ان تكون ضد الحديث النبوي ..... وهذا حرام

عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ رَضِيَ الله عَنْهُ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ: "إِذَا بَاتَتِ الْمَرْأَةُ هَاجِرَةً فِرَاشَ زَوْجِهَا بَاتَتْ تَلْعَنُهَا الْمَلَائِكَةُ حَتَّى تُصْبِحْ". أخرجه أحمد (2/386 ، رقم 9001) ، والبخاري (5/1994 ، رقم 4898) ، ومسلم (2/1059 ، رقم 1436) . وأخرجه أيضًا : الدارمي (2/201 ، رقم 2228) ، والنسائي فى الكبرى (5/313 ، رقم 8970) ، وأبو عوانة (3/86 ، رقم 4295) ، وابن حبان (9/481 ، رقم 4174). قال الإمام النووي في "شرح صحيح مسلم": وَفِي رِوَايَة (حَتَّى تَرْجِع) هَذَا دَلِيل عَلَى تَحْرِيم اِمْتِنَاعهَا مِنْ فِرَاشه لِغَيْرِ عُذْر شَرْعِيّ وَلَيْسَ الْحَيْض بِعُذْرٍ فِي الِامْتِنَاع لِأَنَّ لَهُ حَقًّا فِي الِاسْتِمْتَاع بِهَا فَوْق الْإِزَار. وَمَعْنَى الْحَدِيث أَنَّ اللَّعْنَة تَسْتَمِرّ عَلَيْهَا حَتَّى تَزُول الْمَعْصِيَة بِطُلُوعِ الْفَجْر وَالِاسْتِغْنَاء عَنْهَا أَوْ بِتَوْبَتِهَا وَرُجُوعهَا إِلَى الْفِرَاش.

from
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Also from Abu Hurairah (radiyallaahu ‘anhu), Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said:
“When a man calls his wife to bed and she does not come to him, and he spends the night angry with her, the angels curse her until the morning arrives.” [Reported by Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim]



from

Pink Islam | Muslimah - The obligation of a woman obeying her husband



let refer to our main subject :
ok plz let me post the verse that you don't agree with, because you never said that you agree (all of you Badran and ssainu and Debater Slayer ) !!!, and it's seem now that Hadith also you disgree with it also !!!!


الرجال قوامون على النساء بما فضل الله بعضهم على بعض وبما انفقوا من اموالهم فالصالحات قانتات حافظات للغيب بما حفظ الله واللاتي تخافون نشوزهن فعظوهن واهجروهن في المضاجع واضربوهن فان اطعنكم فلا تبغوا عليهن سبيلا ان الله كان عليا كبيرا

Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

look ,as i told in other thread ,ah you mean, we pick what we appropriate and leave what it's not !! NO !!! and never !!!
because almost of the rules of Islam is coming/extrat from Quran .
because if I tell that "no i would never soft beat my insubordinate wife " that mean i am accuse the Quran that contain default , and God suggest/require a something could not be acceptible !!!, this is a solution from God to a problem (insubordinate wife), and we should follow it and make all the step, because some others ignore it and misuse it, jump directly to divorce or jump directly to "soft beat " , God suggest steps we need to respect them .

انت الان تحاول ان تكون ضد الاية القرانية هذا قطعا حرام

the furbals make you happy , you would get it .
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Do you realize that you have been making an excellent argument for opposing islam, for stamping it out?

If it demands barbarities, away with it!
 
Badran

Badran

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Godobeyer said:
it's depend about what you mean " independent and equal and crazy ideas ...."
that personal , if you want your let you wife independent and crazy ideas , that your problem .

for Hadith ,when my wife refuse to sex with me (without ) reason , i will softly beat her , because she disobey me . and she already cursed by GOD by HADITH SAHIH
انت الان تحاول ان تكون ضد الحديث النبوي ..... وهذا حرام

عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ رَضِيَ الله عَنْهُ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ: "إِذَا بَاتَتِ الْمَرْأَةُ هَاجِرَةً فِرَاشَ زَوْجِهَا بَاتَتْ تَلْعَنُهَا الْمَلَائِكَةُ حَتَّى تُصْبِحْ". أخرجه أحمد (2/386 ، رقم 9001) ، والبخاري (5/1994 ، رقم 4898) ، ومسلم (2/1059 ، رقم 1436) . وأخرجه أيضًا : الدارمي (2/201 ، رقم 2228) ، والنسائي فى الكبرى (5/313 ، رقم 8970) ، وأبو عوانة (3/86 ، رقم 4295) ، وابن حبان (9/481 ، رقم 4174). قال الإمام النووي في "شرح صحيح مسلم": وَفِي رِوَايَة (حَتَّى تَرْجِع) هَذَا دَلِيل عَلَى تَحْرِيم اِمْتِنَاعهَا مِنْ فِرَاشه لِغَيْرِ عُذْر شَرْعِيّ وَلَيْسَ الْحَيْض بِعُذْرٍ فِي الِامْتِنَاع لِأَنَّ لَهُ حَقًّا فِي الِاسْتِمْتَاع بِهَا فَوْق الْإِزَار. وَمَعْنَى الْحَدِيث أَنَّ اللَّعْنَة تَسْتَمِرّ عَلَيْهَا حَتَّى تَزُول الْمَعْصِيَة بِطُلُوعِ الْفَجْر وَالِاسْتِغْنَاء عَنْهَا أَوْ بِتَوْبَتِهَا وَرُجُوعهَا إِلَى الْفِرَاش.

from
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Also from Abu Hurairah (radiyallaahu ‘anhu), Allaah’s Messenger (sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said:
“When a man calls his wife to bed and she does not come to him, and he spends the night angry with her, the angels curse her until the morning arrives.” [Reported by Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim]



from

Pink Islam | Muslimah - The obligation of a woman obeying her husband



let refer to our main subject :
ok plz let me post the verse that you don't agree with, because you never said that you agree (all of you Badran and ssainu and Debater Slayer ) !!!, and it's seem now that Hadith also you disgree with it also !!!!


الرجال قوامون على النساء بما فضل الله بعضهم على بعض وبما انفقوا من اموالهم فالصالحات قانتات حافظات للغيب بما حفظ الله واللاتي تخافون نشوزهن فعظوهن واهجروهن في المضاجع واضربوهن فان اطعنكم فلا تبغوا عليهن سبيلا ان الله كان عليا كبيرا

Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

look ,as i told in other thread ,ah you mean, we pick what we appropriate and leave what it's not !! NO !!! and never !!!
because almost of the rules of Islam is coming/extrat from Quran .
because if I tell that "no i would never soft beat my insubordinate wife " that mean i am accuse the Quran that contain default , and God suggest/require a something could not be acceptible !!!, this is a solution from God to a problem (insubordinate wife), and we should follow it and make all the step, because some others ignore it and misuse it, jump directly to divorce or jump directly to "soft beat " , God suggest steps we need to respect them .

انت الان تحاول ان تكون ضد الاية القرانية هذا قطعا حرام
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http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2742394-post136.html

هل قرأت هذا؟

أنا أسأل لأن ما تقوله هنا يعنى أنك لم تقرأه، لقد قلت لك مسبقا أنا لا أرفض أى شىء فى القرآن, أنا أرى الموضوع و الأحاديث المتعلقة به بشكل آخر, كما قلت لك فى المشاركة التى أعطيتك لها رابط

:) أعد قرائته مرة أخرى لكى تفهم موقفى من هذا الموضوع

أيضا أنت لم ترد على النقطة التى كنت أريد أن أوصلها لك من هذه المشاركة السابقة


Godobeyer said:
the furbals make you happy , you would get it .
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I'll be happy enough if you read the post i linked you to and post something indicating that you understood my point this time.
 
Godobeyer

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Badran said:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2742394-post136.html

هل قرأت هذا؟

أنا أسأل لأن ما تقوله هنا يعنى أنك لم تقرأه، لقد قلت لك مسبقا أنا لا أرفض أى شىء فى القرآن, أنا أرى الموضوع و الأحاديث المتعلقة به بشكل آخر, كما قلت لك فى المشاركة التى أعطيتك لها رابط

:) أعد قرائته مرة أخرى لكى تفهم موقفى من هذا الموضوع

أيضا أنت لم ترد على النقطة التى كنت أريد أن أوصلها لك من هذه المشاركة السابقة
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accuatly i just fast read it , it's my bad , that mean that you are agree with me in this submission of the wife , and agree with soft beating the insubordinate wife :)

Here is my short answer: you're completely wrong about this. I don't disagree with Islam on the issue, i just think it teaches something different. You're wondering how is that when you quoted supposed clear texts? I'll explain how in the next part.
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btw i was pleased you to reply to me a short , that's was your short in that link :D :run:
 
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