the definition of cuckod between the Westerns and Muslims

[Godobeyer]

I think you're confusing between child labour and simple activities between parents and their children, such as your father/mother teaching you how to fix something (and doing so regularly).

From the Wiki article i just linked you to:

In many developed countries, it is considered inappropriate or exploitative if a child below a certain age works (excluding household chores, in a family shop, or school-related work).

and from the same link

boycotting products manufactured through child labour may force these children to turn to more dangerous or strenuous professions, such as prostitution or agriculture. For example, a UNICEF study found that after the Child Labor Deterrence Act was introduced in the US, an estimated 50,000 children were dismissed from their garment industry jobs in Bangladesh

Child labour - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[beenie]

I was driving with a permit by the age of 14 and had my driving license by 16. Getting a head start on knowing how to care for a vehicle before actually driving one is a plus. If something happened, like a tire blow out or a break-down, I would at least have means to take care of the problem and get back on the road myself. Rather than wait and rely on a man to come to my "rescue". Knowing basic car mechanics is something everyone should learn before getting on the road.

God knows if you had to wait of some "man" to come help you, and he raped you instead or attacked you otherwise, it would be YOUR fault for being out in the first place.

Waiting for that type of reply in 3...2...1...

I'm glad I know basic car mechanics.

 

[beenie]

and from the same link

boycotting products manufactured through child labour may force these children to turn to more dangerous or strenuous professions, such as prostitution or agriculture. For example, a UNICEF study found that after the Child Labor Deterrence Act was introduced in the US, an estimated 50,000 children were dismissed from their garment industry jobs in Bangladesh

Child labour - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How is this relevant?

 

[Enlighten]

i did not accusations him , you tell that he let you work with him in 12 years !!!
i am done here in this subject (of your father ).
i am sorry if my opinion ,hurt your feeling .

You did actually in a post to me, see:

this is my catalogue ?
are you serieus ?
for using kids tell that to the father of draka

I posted an aid, an abuse wheel to help you determine what abuse actually is and you responded with the quote above, clearly showing me that you did not read the wheel. Then I asked posted:

Yes this is your catalogue! And yes I am serious, did you read it? Now if so and only IF you have read it, tell me is a "love slap" abuse or not?

Regarding Draka's father, she was helping him, not working for him against her will but that is beside the point. Where did Draka mention that her father made her feel guilty about the children, where did he use her to relay messages, where did he use visitation to harass her, where did he threaten to take her away? My guess is, you did not read a single thing on that abuse wheel like you have overlooked many responses to you which prove that a "love slap" is abuse and is clearly against your religion.

You did not respond to this but still went down the route saying that Draka's father abused her, retracting it and reinstating it as your opinion. The abuse wheel is a guide to help you determine what abuse actually is and if you read it, you would probably find it helpful.

 

[Godobeyer]

I was driving with a permit by the age of 14 and had my driving license by 16. Getting a head start on knowing how to care for a vehicle before actually driving one is a plus. If something happened, like a tire blow out or a break-down, I would at least have means to take care of the problem and get back on the road myself. Rather than wait and rely on a man to come to my "rescue". Knowing basic car mechanics is something everyone should learn before getting on the road.

if was made accident in age of 14 i guess your parent were the responsible .and if was happened to you an accident in the garage , your father was the responsible , because mechanic is not all time safty .

 

[Draka]

I don't think she considered it "work". Draka is free to correct me, but I bet it was more of a hobby for her.

I think he's stuck on the word "work" not understanding that when one says they were "working on" a car it doesn't necessarily mean paid labor or the like. Just that they were maintaining a vehicle.

I loved doing it. I looked forward to the times I knew my father had to do some work on a vehicle. I'd always ask if I could help and absolutely beamed when my father came to me to ask me for help. I liked getting dirty and greasy and learning how everything worked. I have always liked taking things apart and learning how they work and fixing things. And it was great one-on-one time with my father. We talked more with each other over an engine of a car than any other time. I hardly see how any of that would come near to qualifying as "abuse".

 

[Godobeyer]

You did actually in a post to me, see:



I posted an aid, an abuse wheel to help you determine what abuse actually is and you responded with the quote above, clearly showing me that you did not read the wheel. Then I asked posted:



You did not respond to this but still went down the route saying that Draka's father abused her, retracting it and reinstating it as your opinion. The abuse wheel is a guide to help you determine what abuse actually is and if you read it, you would probably find it helpful.

why not abuse wheel , even the wheel is come from cars
edited : with out wheel the cars could not run

 

[Godobeyer]

I think he's stuck on the word "work" not understanding that when one says they were "working on" a car it doesn't necessarily mean paid labor or the like. Just that they were maintaining a vehicle.

I loved doing it. I looked forward to the times I knew my father had to do some work on a vehicle. I'd always ask if I could help and absolutely beamed when my father came to me to ask me for help. I liked getting dirty and greasy and learning how everything worked. I have always liked taking things apart and learning how they work and fixing things. And it was great one-on-one time with my father. We talked more with each other over an engine of a car than any other time. I hardly see how any of that would come near to qualifying as "abuse".

you first cliam is "work " then you change it to "help", the you insist it's "work" fix and maintence , please tell me you was working or helping ?

 

[Enlighten]

why not abuse wheel , even the wheel is come from cars
edited : with out wheel the cars could not run

I think by answering the questions I and others have posted you will have to finally tell us the truth that you are playing a very good troll game on here, I struggle to believe that you are serious now after viewing responses on all your threads

 

[Draka]

you first cliam is "work " then you change it to "help", the you insist it's "work" fix and maintence , please tell me you was working or helping ?

For crying out loud! I was, and try to follow me here, "working on cars with my father". This is the same thing as "helping my father work on cars". I was 12,13,14,15 and so on. It wasn't my job, it was a shared activity with my father.

Try to sort this out. "Working on" or "work on" means to physically fix or maintain. It does NOT mean I went to a job somewhere. It means I walked downstairs, turned right, opened the door to the garage where the family cars are parked, and proceeded to assist my father in the repairing of them. All the while learning more and more about their care and maintenance.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

There's no way this guy is for real.

 

[Draka]

I think by answering the questions I and others have posted you will have to finally tell us the truth that you are playing a very good troll game on here, I struggle to believe that you are serious now after viewing responses on all your threads

Does become very hard to take one seriously who says a pre-teen and teenage girl working on cars with her father is abusive while slapping a wife for leaving the house without permission is not abusive.

 

[Draka]

There's no way this guy is for real.

I'd rather believe he's some random jerkwad pulling our chains and laughing his butt off at us for actually buying all this than consider he's serious.

 

[Enlighten]

Does become very hard to take one seriously who says a pre-teen and teenage girl working on cars with her father is abusive while slapping a wife for leaving the house without permission is not abusive.

Yep this thread needs to be moved to it's appropriate place: Games/Jokes - he's been good at getting us all going though, accusing perfectly normal people as abusers while justifying abuse toward his wife because he says so, doesn't read evidence put to him, a woman is basically a whore for dancing etc (I could go on) so in conclusion, this cannot be a serious thread.

 

[Godobeyer]

I think by answering the questions I and others have posted you will have to finally tell us the truth that you are playing a very good troll game on here, I struggle to believe that you are serious now after viewing responses on all your threads

ah because the abuse wheel , the abuse is abuse, it's my opinion that the work of kids at 12 age is abuse , i am convinced . to make some "break " and calm the situation, i prefer to make some joke in the attention air ,if you don't like that's your opinion .
and i hate to chat with some one in strict and attention all the time .

 

[Draka]

Good thing I was never put to work at 12 years old then huh?

 

[Godobeyer]

There's no way this guy is for real.

as you said i am fake ? not real ?

 

[Songbird]

There's no way this guy is for real.

I'm surprised and entertained by the sheer number of responses he's generated.

 

[Godobeyer]

Yep this thread needs to be moved to it's appropriate place: Games/Jokes - he's been good at getting us all going though, accusing perfectly normal people as abusers while justifying abuse toward his wife because he says so, doesn't read evidence put to him, a woman is basically a whore for dancing etc (I could go on) so in conclusion, this cannot be a serious thread.

I was serious , but my serious did not prefered by you .
if i would be serious all the time and honest 100%, you will not accept my pure opinion ,which that hurts your feels , for stop my serious (to get attention ) i changed the methode.
as you see errors in my culture and habit and way of living, i see errors in yours .

 

[Enlighten]

I was serious , but my serious did not prefered by you .
if i would be serious all the time and honest 100%, you will not accept my pure opinion ,which that hurts your feels , for stop my serious (to get attention ) i changed the methode.
as you see errors in my culture and habit and way of living, i see errors in yours .

It has nothing to do with what I prefer and what I don't, fellow Muslams have also told you several times you are wrong. I don't mind a joke but you can't accuse someones father of abuse then crack a joke about it.

I do see errors in your treatment of women, you may see errors in the way I live but I am not saying that my religion tells me that it is ok to justify it, that is where the difference is.