the definition of cuckod between the Westerns and Muslims

[Godobeyer]

Abuse is abuse....

this is my catalogue ?
are you serieus ?
for using kids tell that to the father of draka

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

again you said something i never said !!!!!!!!
you accuse me that "i have to sex even when my wife doesn't want it " ? where i said this ? in which thread and which page (RAPE and have to sex even when my wife doesn't want it"

Right here:

If I truly loved her I would. And as far as I am concerned... sex is not a right, its a privilege.

with "if" we can make any thing , even it's virtual and imaginaire and rare happened , the mariage without sex , is like food without salt,

Of course, whether or not you'd actually rape your wife is only a matter of degree of abuse; you've already argued (very strongly, too) that you have the right to beat her, so rape would just be one more item for the pile. A significant and serious item, but you certainly wouldn't be a kind, respectful husband if we took it away.

accuatly now , you misrespect me , when you claim things i never said before .

I don't care if you feel disrespected by me.

In fact, I'd be very worried if you thought I respected your views.

 

[Draka]

accuatly now , you misrespect me , when you claim things i never said before .

You mean like when you said that Kerr would cheat on his wife?

this is my catalogue ?
are you serieus ?
for using kids tell that to the father of draka

How IN THE HELL did my father use me to abuse my mother???? Or abuse me for that matter???

As for the wheel of abuse...yes that IS serious. There is also a Cycle of Abuse wheel that shows how abusive behavior happens time and time again.

Perhaps you should take a moment and really understand the sections on "Using Male Privilege", "Minimizing, Denying, and Blame", and "Using Isolation". "Using Economic Abuse" might be one to think about as well.

 

[Enlighten]

this is my catalogue ?
are you serieus ?
for using kids tell that to the father of draka

Yes this is your catalogue! And yes I am serious, did you read it? Now if so and only IF you have read it, tell me is a "love slap" abuse or not?

Regarding Draka's father, she was helping him, not working for him against her will but that is beside the point. Where did Draka mention that her father made her feel guilty about the children, where did he use her to relay messages, where did he use visitation to harass her, where did he threaten to take her away? My guess is, you did not read a single thing on that abuse wheel like you have overlooked many responses to you which prove that a "love slap" is abuse and is clearly against your religion.

 

[Kerr]

with "if" we can make any thing , even it's virtual and imaginaire and rare happened , the mariage without sex , is like food without salt,

I dont mind food without salt .

And I am not saying it would be easy or ideal in any way. Quite frankly it would be hard. But, at least for me, true love matters more then sex. If it doesnt for you then I can only hope that you one day realize how wrong you are.

ah , I caught you , you will not just masterbate , you will cheat on her also :run: because it's these only two things to satisfy the sex desire .

Yeah, I would probably cheat with first best woman walking down the street .

For the record, though, I would never cheat, because I am not a slave to my urges. No man is.

 

[Kerr]

You mean like when you said that Kerr would cheat on his wife?

He joked with me .

To be fair, though, I didnt realize that until I read his later post explaining that he was joking... then I may have edited my response a little .

 

[Godobeyer]

Originally Posted by Kerr
If I truly loved her I would. And as far as I am concerned... sex is not a right, its a privilege.

what i mean , he said the sex is not his concernet

I reply to him , no , he just

Originally Posted by Godobeyer
with "if" we can make any thing , even it's virtual and imaginaire and rare happened , the mariage without sex , is like food without salt,

how you understood it like this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, i though we are speaking in english .and how you understand the it's rape !!!!!!!!

Of course, whether or not you'd actually rape your wife is only a matter of degree of abuse; you've already argued (very strongly, too) that you have the right to beat her, so rape would just be one more item for the pile. A significant and serious item, but you certainly wouldn't be a kind, respectful husband if we took it away.

i don't know how you , understand my discuss with Kerr like this

 

[Godobeyer]

You mean like when you said that Kerr would cheat on his wife?

no, even i said , we were joking all the time "me and kerr "

How IN THE HELL did my father use me to abuse my mother???? Or abuse me for that matter???

As for the wheel of abuse...yes that IS serious. There is also a Cycle of Abuse wheel that shows how abusive behavior happens time and time again.

Perhaps you should take a moment and really understand the sections on "Using Male Privilege", "Minimizing, Denying, and Blame", and "Using Isolation". "Using Economic Abuse" might be one to think about as well.

yes , you said that your father let you work with him in 12 years old . and for me it's abuse .:yes:
you were need protection from UN

UNICEF - Child protection from violence, exploitation and abuse

 

[Draka]

He joked with me .

To be fair, though, I didnt realize that until I read his later post explaining that he was joking... then I may have edited my response a little .

His "jokes" aren't funny.

 

[Godobeyer]

He joked with me .

To be fair, though, I didnt realize that until I read his later post explaining that he was joking... then I may have edited my response a little .

and if you remember , we were talking about the virtual mariage , when the wife hate sex (don't want sex ) mariage without sex

 

[Draka]

no, even i said , we were joking all the time "me and kerr "

I'll repeat, your "jokes" aren't funny.

yes , you said that your father let you work with him in 12 years old . and for me it's abuse .:yes:
you were need protection from UN

UNICEF - Child protection from violence, exploitation and abuse

First off, you obviously did not read the wheel. Secondly, my father did not abuse me or my mother by allowing me to help him when I wanted to. By teaching me the basics of car upkeep and mechanics he did me a favor, not an abuse. It was cherished time with my father. And again, no different than learning alongside my mother in the kitchen (a more dangerous place than a garage) while helping her cook and bake.

 

[Godobeyer]

His "jokes" aren't funny.

thanks any way

 

[Kerr]

His "jokes" aren't funny.

He was joking with me and I dont mind. Have a pretty high roof for such things.

 

[Godobeyer]

I'll repeat, your "jokes" aren't funny.



First off, you obviously did not read the wheel. Secondly, my father did not abuse me or my mother by allowing me to help him when I wanted to. By teaching me the basics of car upkeep and mechanics he did me a favor, not an abuse. It was cherished time with my father. And again, no different than learning alongside my mother in the kitchen (a more dangerous place than a garage) while helping her cook and bake.

I am only one who tell that , all the world against the work of kids .
if don't believe me ,read that link of UNICEF

 

[Draka]

He was joking with me and I dont mind. Have a pretty high roof for such things.

Well, if he's "joking" with me about my father abusing me by letting me help in with the cars as a kid then I simply don't find it funny. And if he's not joking then he's an idiot. There's nothing funny about accusing my father of abuse for teaching me how to change oil and tires and the like. That's just stupid.

 

[Kerr]

Well, if he's "joking" with me about my father abusing me by letting me help in with the cars as a kid then I simply don't find it funny. And if he's not joking then he's an idiot. There's nothing funny about accusing my father of abuse for teaching me how to change oil and tires and the like. That's just stupid.

I know its stupid. My answer for stupid jokes tend to be to throw stupid jokes back.

EDIT:

Dont take this as me saying you should let him joke with you. Its all about who you are joking with. If I know you wont find jokes like that funny I shouldnt joke with you about it. But in my case, I have a high roof, so in my case that is not something to worry about.

 

[Draka]

I am only one who tell that , all the world against the work of kids .
if don't believe me ,read that link of UNICEF

I was NOT abused, exploited, or a victim of violence by learning how to twist a wrench. This is getting beyond stupidity now.

 

[Godobeyer]

Well, if he's "joking" with me about my father abusing me by letting me help in with the cars as a kid then I simply don't find it funny. And if he's not joking then he's an idiot. There's nothing funny about accusing my father of abuse for teaching me how to change oil and tires and the like. That's just stupid.

no with you in this case (12 years old ) working , i am serieus ,with all my respect to your father .
i considerate it's abuse.

 

[Draka]

no with you in this case (12 years old ) working , i am serieus ,with all my respect to your father .
i considerate it's abuse.

It was no different then helping my mother in the kitchen except that helping my father was probably safer for me.

Get off of calling my father abusive for being a good father. You want to say something about me then say something about me, but stop the false accusations against my father.

 

[Godobeyer]

I am sure if you did the same thing to your kids , you or your husband "let his kids (12 years old ) work in mechanic " , your neighbores would call the police .