the definition of cuckod between the Westerns and Muslims

[Draka]

I am sure if you did the same thing to your kids , you or your husband "let his kids (12 years old ) work in mechanic " , your neighbores would call the police .

No they wouldn't. As kids learn how to work on cars all the time here. They like to. They want to. It's fine. It's not abuse to learn how to work on a car as a kid. It's proper parenting if they expect their kid to ever drive or own a car of their own. It's preparing them to know how to take care of it.

 

[Godobeyer]

It was no different then helping my mother in the kitchen except that helping my father was probably safer for me.

Get off of calling my father abusive for being a good father. You want to say something about me then say something about me, but stop the false accusations against my father.

i did not accusations him , you tell that he let you work with him in 12 years !!!
i am done here in this subject (of your father ).
i am sorry if my opinion ,hurt your feeling .

 

[Draka]

i did not accusations him , you tell that he let you work with him in 12 years !!!
i am done here in this subject (of your father ).
i am sorry if my opinion ,hurt your feeling .

You did accuse him of abuse. I simply talked about helping my father work on the cars as a kid and YOU are the one who started in with saying my father abused me.

One would hope you are done with any talk of abuse, as you obviously have no clue what it is. You consider a father teaching his kid how to change a tire abuse, yet you think it is hunky-dory fine to slap your wife for going outside without your permission. You don't have a clue.

 

[Godobeyer]

You did accuse him of abuse. I simply talked about helping my father work on the cars as a kid and YOU are the one who started in with saying my father abused me.

One would hope you are done with any talk of abuse, as you obviously have no clue what it is. You consider a father teaching his kid how to change a tire abuse, yet you think it is hunky-dory fine to slap your wife for going outside without your permission. You don't have a clue.

check your last claim at this link
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...ition-cuckod-between-westerns-muslims-16.html

Actually, females make very good mechanics. I've worked on cars with my father since I was about 12 years old. Still, as a woman, my smaller framed hands and limbs allow me to get into places on a car that make things easier for me to fix. Jobs that would otherwise require dismantling of different parts just to get to them by most men. I also was an electrician in the Navy, and worked maintenance (both electrical and mechanical) for a factory. Now, these jobs certainly weren't too much for me physically, so I'm wondering how they had anything to do with my dignity.

which one of your claims ,i should believe , the worked one or the helper ?

 

[beenie]

I am sure if you did the same thing to your kids , you or your husband "let his kids (12 years old ) work in mechanic " , your neighbores would call the police .

Godobeyer, Draka or anyone else helping work on cars is not the same as child labor laws. Is that what you're thinking? She has a choice to help him out; he wasn't selling her service. I'm thoroughly confused how you are getting from her helping her dad fix cars to child abuse/child labor laws.

 

[Badran]

yes , you said that your father let you work with him in 12 years old . and for me it's abuse .:yes:
you were need protection from UN

UNICEF - Child protection from violence, exploitation and abuse

I think you're confusing between child labour and simple activities between parents and their children, such as your father/mother teaching you how to fix something (and doing so regularly).

From the Wiki article i just linked you to:

In many developed countries, it is considered inappropriate or exploitative if a child below a certain age works (excluding household chores, in a family shop, or school-related work).

 

[Godobeyer]

I think you're confusing between child labour and simple activities between parents and their children, such as your father/mother teaching you how to fix something (and doing so regularly).

From the Wiki article i just linked you to:

In many developed countries, it is considered inappropriate or exploitative if a child below a certain age works (excluding household chores, in a family shop, or school-related work).

I miss understand her , when in first time she said "she worked at 12 " ,then she now ,said "she helped her father ", there is different between help and work .

 

[Draka]

check your last claim at this link
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...ition-cuckod-between-westerns-muslims-16.html
which one of your claims ,i should believe , the worked one or the helper ?

What do you think is the difference? I was using tools, alongside my father, helping him to fix and upkeep the cars. It's not like he sat around and sent me out to repair an exhaust manifold by myself. We had both our hands and tools in the workings of the car. Him explaining to me what did what and how to fix certain things as I helped to hold, or twist, or even just hand him tools. He let me do things by myself when I asked and he thought I was capable enough to do them.

Just like in a kitchen. My mother didn't just have me cook something by myself, but my involvement was more than just handing her spoons and watching her. I got in there and mixed and stirred and cut right along with her. It's how a child learns. It's not abuse.

 

[Draka]

I miss understand her , when in first time she said "she worked at 12 " ,then she now ,said "she helped her father ", there is different between help and work .

No, I said I worked on (fixed, maintained) cars with my father. Not that I went to work as a mechanic.

 

[Godobeyer]

I dont mind food without salt .

And I am not saying it would be easy or ideal in any way. Quite frankly it would be hard. But, at least for me, true love matters more then sex. If it doesnt for you then I can only hope that you one day realize how wrong you are.

of course there is different between love and sex , love let the heart beat ,and sex let the penis get up , the best mariage when you mariage some one let your heart beat and your penis ready .

Yeah, I would probably cheat with first best woman walking down the street .

this is the result of mariage without sex (woman hate the sex )

For the record, though, I would never cheat, because I am not a slave to my urges. No man is.

of course , that why the women chasing us in the roads and everyplace

 

[Godobeyer]

What do you think is the difference? I was using tools, alongside my father, helping him to fix and upkeep the cars. It's not like he sat around and sent me out to repair an exhaust manifold by myself. We had both our hands and tools in the workings of the car. Him explaining to me what did what and how to fix certain things as I helped to hold, or twist, or even just hand him tools. He let me do things by myself when I asked and he thought I was capable enough to do them.

Just like in a kitchen. My mother didn't just have me cook something by myself, but my involvement was more than just handing her spoons and watching her. I got in there and mixed and stirred and cut right along with her. It's how a child learns. It's not abuse.

work is hard thing , help is not hard

 

[Draka]

work is hard thing , help is not hard

 

[Godobeyer]

No, I said I worked on (fixed, maintained) cars with my father. Not that I went to work as a mechanic.

omg ,you tell me fixed and maintained cars in 12 years old , and you told that was not abuse ? and it's not as a mechanic !!!!what it's as a doctor of cars ?
me man , I was playing until 16 , and i start helping at that age my father in farm .

 

[Godobeyer]

what i told you if you don't know the different between "the work and the help"

 

[Godobeyer]

Godobeyer, Draka or anyone else helping work on cars is not the same as child labor laws. Is that what you're thinking? She has a choice to help him out; he wasn't selling her service. I'm thoroughly confused how you are getting from her helping her dad fix cars to child abuse/child labor laws.

she was so young for working in garage , innocent ,12 years old fix and maintence the cars of her father,:sad4:

 

[Debater Slayer]

she was so young for working in garage , innocent ,12 years old fix and maintence the cars of her father,:sad4:

As long as it's not obligatory, it's legal. Why is that a problem at all?

 

[Draka]

she was so young for working in garage , innocent ,12 years old fix and maintence the cars of her father,:sad4:

Oh stop acting all fake boo-hoo about it. Your whole point had nothing to do with my age or the like at first. It was all about how it was wrong for me AS A FEMALE to do such dirty, disgusting and dangerous things. You said it would be perfectly fine for me to do kitchen work with my mother, just not mechanic work with my father. All the while saying that working on cars was dangerous. After many here pointed out the dangers of the kitchen and they may quite outnumber those in a garage you completely switched tracks. Stop pretending to be concerned for my "innocence", no one is buying it.

 

[Godobeyer]

Oh stop acting all fake boo-hoo about it. Your whole point had nothing to do with my age or the like at first. It was all about how it was wrong for me AS A FEMALE to do such dirty, disgusting and dangerous things. You said it would be perfectly fine for me to do kitchen work with my mother, just not mechanic work with my father. All the while saying that working on cars was dangerous. After many here pointed out the dangers of the kitchen and they may quite outnumber those in a garage you completely switched tracks. Stop pretending to be concerned for my "innocence", no one is buying it.

I am not pretending , i am against the work of any kid at age 12

 

[beenie]

I am not pretending , i am against the work of any kid at age 12

I don't think she considered it "work". Draka is free to correct me, but I bet it was more of a hobby for her.

 

[Draka]

omg ,you tell me fixed and maintained cars in 12 years old , and you told that was not abuse ? and it's not as a mechanic !!!!what it's as a doctor of cars ?
me man , I was playing until 16 , and i start helping at that age my father in farm .

I was driving with a permit by the age of 14 and had my driving license by 16. Getting a head start on knowing how to care for a vehicle before actually driving one is a plus. If something happened, like a tire blow out or a break-down, I would at least have means to take care of the problem and get back on the road myself. Rather than wait and rely on a man to come to my "rescue". Knowing basic car mechanics is something everyone should learn before getting on the road.