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The Democrats Created The KKK

Prometheus85

Active Member
The video is unbiased. It is not a report of the debate. It is just the debate.



From the article.

"It sought to overthrow the Republicanstate governments in the South"

I suppose you think Republicans wanted to overthrow the Republican govt eh? No, as stated most KKK members were Democrats in the first 2 incarnations of the klan.

Its fact, you can try to deny it but you can't change history. Sure the Democratic party didn't all get together and establish the klan, but most members of the klan were Democrats especially when it was first formed.

Deal with it.


And you still continue to cherry pick even tho I pointed out for the very same article who created the KKK. You know, it’s under the overview: Three Klans and the history of the klan. The parts u keep skipping for some reason

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Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
And you still continue to cherry pick

It isn't cherry picking. It's just pointing out facts. You haven't answered my question though.

Do you think it was Republicans within the KKK that was trying to destroy the Republican lead Republican govts of the time? If so where is your evidence?
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
There was this guy on Fox News saying
The KKK was founded by a Democrat, had only Democrat followers, was endorsed by Democrats, and sent their members to congress as Democrats.
First, it's important to note that, yes, the Democrats were indeed the party of slavery and, in the early 20th century, the party of segregation, too. But correct me if I’m wrong, didn’t the parties switch and the republicans of today resemble the democrats of the past and the democrats today resemble the republicans of past?

The fact that people who also identified as democrat were in the KKK does not mean the Democratic party either formed or endorsed the KKK.
No, the Democratic Party didn’t create the Ku Klux Klan
 
You say a party don’t create anything, yet also say the Democratic Party created the kkk. Go away @Jollybear

Man, arguing with you is a nightmare.

I NEVER SAID the "PARTY" as in the platform created the kkk. Nor did i say ALL democrats created the kkk. I said that these confederate vets who DID create the kkk, they WER DEMOCRATS!
 

Prometheus85

Active Member
Man, arguing with you is a nightmare.

I NEVER SAID the "PARTY" as in the platform created the kkk. Nor did i say ALL democrats created the kkk. I said that these confederate vets who DID create the kkk, they WER DEMOCRATS!

That is completely and utterly wrong.


The Klan was created by men who were almost certainly voted Democrat, but they were on the far right — dedicated to fighting against racial and religious equality and for a white Christian America.

Many southern whites during the 1860s and 1870s were, in fact, Democrats, and some joined the Ku Klux Klan. But there’s no evidence that the group was founded by the Democratic Party. To tie a few individuals to an entire party is an association fallacy. If that’s the case the the Republican Party is the racist party today since most of the racists and far right groups supports republican.
 
Did you know? The vast majority of abortions-- regardless of race-- are Genuine Christians?

Even more irony-- the largest and loudest anti-choice group? Is also Genuine Christians?

And the irony gets more ironic? Among Christians who get abortions? If you divide up by Brand? Evangelical Christians get the most abortions of any other group.

It's not difficult to figure out why, either: Evangelicals are against Education, especially sex education.

So, it automatically follows, the are the ones having unwanted babies-- by a giant fraction more than anyone else. And if they have the money, they get abortions for their pregnant daughters.

Other, more theologically liberal Christian groups? Have the intelligence to teach their offspring how to not get pregnant. Largely by providing quality sex education to their kids.

Hint: "Just Say No" is a failed idea. You are not going to switch off millions of years of evolutionary drive* to Make More Babies.



* Or of you are a creationist: you are not going to switch of God's Certain Command To Go Forth And Make More Babies.

So black woman christians have more abortions then, lol.

Also it dont take much education or take half a brain to know if you shoot the bullet in the pit, out will come a baby.
 
That is completely and utterly wrong.


The Klan was created by men who were almost certainly voted Democrat, but they were on the far right — dedicated to fighting against racial and religious equality and for a white Christian America.

I disagree, they wer on the far left. The fare right is more liberty.

Many southern whites during the 1860s and 1870s were, in fact, Democrats, and some joined the Ku Klux Klan. But there’s no evidence that the group was founded by the Democratic Party.

Dam man! You keep saying "PARTY". A party does not create anything! How many times do i got to repeat myself before it jams into your thick skull!?

To tie a few individuals to an entire party is an association fallacy.

For the love of god! I just after telling you i was not saying every democrat created the kkk. But, democrats created it.

If that’s the case the the Republican Party is the racist party today since most of the racists and far right groups supports republican.

You got proof most racists support republicans? Direct proof, not some bs assumptions!
 

Prometheus85

Active Member
I disagree, they wer on the far left. The fare right is more liberty.



Dam man! You keep saying "PARTY". A party does not create anything! How many times do i got to repeat myself before it jams into your thick skull!?



For the love of god! I just after telling you i was not saying every democrat created the kkk. But, democrats created it.



You got proof most racists support republicans? Direct proof, not some bs assumptions!

The Dixiecrats were on the far left? Sure that’s makes sense if your completely ignorant in American history and ignore that the vast majority of southern dems were conservatives. Dixiecrat - Wikipedia

It’s not about a party? This thread is the about the democrats creating the kkk which you hold heartedly claim. And if you’re saying the Democratic Party did not create the kkk, why are you calling the democrats a racist party and saying they haven’t change?

Quick question. Did the democrats create the kkk?

Proof racist today support republicans and in return the republicans embrace it. The Republican Party Was Founded to Fight White Supremacy. Here’s How It’s Embraced It Now.

I don’t make assumptions like you.
 
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The Dixiecrats were on the far left? Sure that’s makes sense if your completely ignorant in American history and ignore that the vast majority of southern dems were conservatives. Dixiecrat - Wikipedia

We need to define terms and words otherwise we are going to be talking over eachothers head and thats.....well.....very annoying.

So, define conservative?

It’s not about a party? This thread is the about the democrats creating the kkk which you hold heartedly claim. And if you’re saying the Democratic Party did not create the kkk, why are you calling the democrats a racist party and saying they haven’t change?

The bigger question here is why do you keep misrepresenting what im telling you after i say it over and over and over again?

For the LAST TIME, a party dont create, niether the democrat nor republican or any other party creats something. People create. People can be democrats, republicans or other.

In the case of the kkk, democrats created it. Let me break that down more. People who happen to be democrats, they created the kkk.

Quick question. Did the democrats create the kkk?

Yes.

Proof racist today support republicans and in return the republicans embrace it. The Republican Party Was Founded to Fight White Supremacy. Here’s How It’s Embraced It Now.

I don’t make assumptions like you.

I read that whole article and i wanted to puke all over it due to the REAK of intense bias and outright lies in it.

Look here to see the bias rating from the daily beast > Daily Beast - Media Bias/Fact Check

Its rated as extreme left. And just reading your article i could clearly see that quite a bit. They wer so slanted its like they fell over backwards.
 

Prometheus85

Active Member
We need to define terms and words otherwise we are going to be talking over eachothers head and thats.....well.....very annoying.

So, define conservative?



The bigger question here is why do you keep misrepresenting what im telling you after i say it over and over and over again?

For the LAST TIME, a party dont create, niether the democrat nor republican or any other party creats something. People create. People can be democrats, republicans or other.

In the case of the kkk, democrats created it. Let me break that down more. People who happen to be democrats, they created the kkk.



Yes.



I read that whole article and i wanted to puke all over it due to the REAK of intense bias and outright lies in it.

Look here to see the bias rating from the daily beast > Daily Beast - Media Bias/Fact Check

Its rated as extreme left. And just reading your article i could clearly see that quite a bit. They wer so slanted its like they fell over backwards.

Define conservative? That tells me even with proof you still refuse to believe the southern democrats were conservatives. It’s not you care about facts Anyway.

So if a few individuals who most likely were democrats created the kkk, how does that translate to “THE DEMOCRATS" creating the Kkk? Unless those few individuals were the only democrats that existed.

And if so How did they do that exactly? Did they establish it at a national convention? Or did the state parties fund chapters? How exactly did that happen?

The Democratic Party was absolutely committed to white supremacy in the 1860s. What party is committed to white supremacy now? the current KKK votes red not blue.


Lol you ask for proof, I give it to you and you dismiss it. Can you please point out the bias and outright lies from the article I sent you. It’s easy to just dismiss something as lies and bias without explaining yourself.

Regardless if the far right is liberty as you put it.

which party supported for equal rights for the LGBTQ community? Which party wanted to provide healthcare for all? A minimum wage for people to be able to live on? I don’t think it was Lincoln’s party
 
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Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
So black woman christians have more abortions then, lol..

Your Racism is showing. And your claim? Above? Isn't accurate.

I see you must belong to Genuine Christian™, White Supremacy Division.

Also it dont take much education or take half a brain to know if you shoot the bullet in the pit, out will come a baby.

Yes... but "just don't have sex" never works. Ever. However, quality sex education-- which also includes education on contraceptive methodologies? Do work.

Proven time and again: you teach kids about contraceptives? They know how to protect themselves.

What do you call Evangelical Christian Teenagers who never have accurate sex education?

PARENTS
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Why not answer the question?

Because I don't have weeks and weeks of basic economic theory to train you in.

Because you haven't paid me the thousands of $$$ that it would cost, at a university, to just bring you up to page one, so you have a chance of a clue of beginning to understand.

And mostly? Because you demonstrate time and again, willful ignorance -- I cannot overcome willful refusal to learn.
 

Prometheus85

Active Member

lol they made a movie about this called the
BlacKkKlansman

And the black cop obviously couldn’t just walk up into a klan meeting.

From the article.

Of course, this represented a dilemma for Stallworth. When O’Dell asked how he’d be able to recognize him at their rendezvous point, he described a white undercover narcotics detective in his department with a similar build to him, a man Stallworth refers to as Chuck.

The fake, white Ron Stallworth would go out to meetings to collect intelligence while wearing a wire, while the actual Ron Stallworth would handle all calls and fill in his partner. And although Chuck and Stallworth had very dissimilar voices, the Klan never caught wind of the investigation.

And forget the fact it was an investigation to bring down the klan. I’m assuming you didn’t even read the article lol
 

MikeDwight

Well-Known Member
I was just thinking of approaching this with perhaps a thread like "The Evolution of Southern Presbyterianism". I think when the Slave-States were invited by Alabama, with very little I saw said about the Northern States (a very unique secession for sure), that Montgomery Alabama would become the first Capitol, if "Capitol" is fitting, definitely not a London, or a Rome, as far as being a City-Capitol, where they wrote the Bonnie Blue Flag, and the Confederate Constitution together, which would specifically out line the Calvinist, Presbyterian/Puritan God of the Fathers of the Nation that Colonized America. The Constitution, We The People, Under Almighty God, in the Sovereign Character of the States. The Scots came to the aid of the English Civil War Puritan Parliament in the first stage of the war they take over Catle-upon-Tyre region of England, which goes a Long way to spell out exactly how a scotsman would go about singing "bonnie Blue Flag" anyway. Many remember the Puritans fled as Pilgrims the Church of England's persecutions giving up on reforms, and the Puritan/Presbyterians shared the Westminster Confession for the few years the Church of England was Reformed by the Westminster Confession during the English Civil War.

So I was thinking of a thread about the Very Specific topic "The Evolution of Southern Presbyterianism", since some Presbyterian could live in Maine ignoring events certainly, especially since its all been so heavily stamped down already. I'm looking at its evolution From the time of the Southern Provisional Government until Woodrow Wilson. There's an Evolution in Southern Presbyterianism. It seemed like that the Confederate Government was actually rather boisterous. Woodrow Wilson was more the product of the Occupation or "Reconstruction" in which the voters of the South between 1865 to 1900 were stuck with Republican candidates and African American representation (right or wrong). The Evolution of Southern Presbyterian follows how Woodrow Wilson was quoted in Griffith's KKK film "Birth Of A Nation". Woodrow Wilson in turn screens the film and endorses it as "true" at the White House. A Lot of handshaking going on here with the KKK.

So it seems like then,the Southern Presbyterian compromise position is making the United States as One Nation an Indivisible Nation, thus "Birth of a Nation". That's why the KKK is as prevalent as the South but had equally large chapters in every state equally, wherever this film was displayed, a White National unity symbol even. Now, is that accurate whatsoever, no. The South didn't say that. The KKK was a tiny section of history. Would we have ever noted General Nathan Forrest except for historical revisionism. He's never in a major communication for the Confederates.

In Conclusion, the Presbyterianism from a Southern perspective springs from the Unity period of the Reformed Puritan Calvinists and Reformed Presbyterian Calvinists, of the Church of Scotland and the Church of England, who participate in the Covenants of the Covenanters, who signed the Reformed Confession of the Westminster Confession. It Comes from Woodrow Wilson proclaiming Presbyterianism as the new safeguard of any such peoples. It evolves from a claim to overthrow tyrannical government heretics or Tyrants, or Romanists, to a Peace organization under Woodrow Wilson about the self-determination of all regions of all peoples in the World with the League of Nations. Southern Presbyterianism itself evolves and the larger International issue is the League of Nations, the nations "reconstruction" period, the re-establishment the Southern States enjoyed to defeat Populism, write State Constitutions, mottos, and flags, re-celebrate the Confederates and self-determination, and the southern Democrat period. This is nearly as large an international issue of study than the English Civil War itself, due to the League of Nations Woodrow Wilson created.

This post ending up so comprehensive, might I put a small conclusion on the matter, President Eisenhower appears to have pushed this geographical difference into obscurity when going into office proclaiming no religion in the United States could go against "All Me are Created Equal". Which, Jefferson Davis, in fact does, he says there's no way the Declaration of Independence was a universal declaration of the quality of all men, when the Declaration of Independence attacks England for freeing the slaves. This was a declaration against the Divine Birth of the line of Kings such as the Puritan motto "God is King" and "access to the professions" Davis said, and I think All peoples are owed truth to an almost lousy mimicry of Abraham Lincoln. Anyway, Eisenhower does lead to the full unification against the geographical churches pointedly, from his election in 1953 to the end of these churches in 1958 or again in 1983 with the new PCUSA. I see the 1958 in regards to the USA statehood of Hawaii that year, what could we possibly say about a Single Nation of endless "races" of evolving boundaries, and looking all the way back to Scotland. No wonder this whole issue is adrift.
 
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MikeDwight

Well-Known Member
I think its so sad where the whole thing has ended up. I think the Confederate position is so urgent and clear. How did so many good things get so buried? We see what Woodrow Wilson's last hope in saving a Christian Europe is in a Christian Peace. Aren't al the World War I powers a Christian? And they all turned on each other with mustard gas poisoning and horrible things. He never wanted the US to go to any side of the war. The whole war started with the Austrians. The Austrian Empire had 12 nationalities. It is the craziest example of European imperialism anyone has ever heard of. Especially Hungarians. There's 12 languages. They were trying to expand into one country, that's how the Archduke Ferdinand of the Austrian Empire was assassinated there on parade or on a tour route. Woodrow Wilson visiting every country in Europe, I think his biggest accomplishments won't be in the United States. His accomplishments will be the total breakup of Austria. The States in the Balkans. He considered treaties for a Greek Pontus, Crimea, or further self-determination in Turkey. Think of the horrible Armenian Genocide.

 
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