The demon possessed...

[blackout]

You are such a beautiful and unique girl kimberlee.
I would hate so very much to see you lose yourself.

You have a lovely dark edge.
One day, your church, or some church
is gunna tell you that your lovely lip pierce is ungodly.
And that it invites certain kinds of demons into your life.
They're going to tell you, you look too dark,
and that you may have a demon already.

It's a slippery slope.

I suggest you forge your own mountain NOW.
While you are still young.
And let people keep their own demons to themselves.

in Love and concern,
~Violet~

 

[darkendless]

The only demons in this world are those that prevent people from being themselves with dogma and social exclusion.

 

[Erebus]

Hey man last time i listened to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFn26ntmSsg i was so possessed i went a killed the neighbours cats to drink their blood as a sacrifice to the dark lord

Well Gorgoroth are an exception obviously

 

[Kimberlee]

You are such a beautiful and unique girl kimberlee.
I would hate so very much to see you lose yourself.

You have a lovely dark edge.
One day, your church, or some church
is gunna tell you that your lovely lip pierce is ungodly.
And that it invites certain kinds of demons into your life.
They're going to tell you, you look too dark,
and that you may have a demon already.

It's a slippery slope.

I suggest you forge your own mountain NOW.
While you are still young.
And let people keep their own demons to themselves.

in Love and concern,
~Violet~

thank you so much for your concern it means a lot. yes i am at tug o war with this.... it is such a hard transition i'm trying to be "a better person" my boyfriend mark and i have been struggling with this! he plays in a death metal band... he is an amazing drummer. they are about to release their first album. and i have promoted concerts for death metal for years! and what happened was i went to church and the pastor said we would be studying the demon possessed so i thought that would be really interesting anyways after church we went and seen the movie paranormal activity ironically because i didn't even know it was going to be about a demon so after the movie i went home and started researching it and that's were it started. the music thing isn't easy at all. i have been involved in it for a long time and i know im going to loose friends over this. i mean i was crying over it like a baby because i love my music sooooo much. i know i sound crazy and all. it's just a weird time for me.

 

[Caladan]

thank you so much for your concern it means a lot. yes i am at tug o war with this.... it is such a hard transition i'm trying to be "a better person" my boyfriend mark and i have been struggling with this! he plays in a death metal band... he is an amazing drummer. they are about to release their first album. and i have promoted concerts for death metal for years! and what happened was i went to church and the pastor said we would be studying the demon possessed so i thought that would be really interesting anyways after church we went and seen the movie paranormal activity ironically because i didn't even know it was going to be about a demon so after the movie i went home and started researching it and that's were it started. the music thing isn't easy at all. i have been involved in it for a long time and i know im going to loose friends over this. i mean i was crying over it like a baby because i love my music sooooo much. i know i sound crazy and all. it's just a weird time for me.

I really feel you should examine the reasons for considering and adopting your new beliefs. each day you will have to conform a little piece of yourself, while at the same time adopting the dogmas of other people.. examine these people, are they what you consider to be your ideals? do they inspire you as they should, are they really like you? what mutual basis do you have with them? do you see yourself one day as they are?
perhaps you should turn to studying about the religious phenomena you chose to adhere to before adhering completely.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Kimberlee,

I don't think that you should worry about demons all that much. Just live your life focused on the good, and you need not worry about the evil.

 

[MSizer]

...i know im going to loose friends over this...

Remember that slippery slope UV was talking about? You're really getting close to the edge my friend. Very close. Think please.

 

[Wandered Off]

i'm trying to be "a better person" my boyfriend mark and i have been struggling with this!

Hi Kimberlee. It's always noble to try to be better. Just don't let someone (like a pastor, for example) tell you that must get better because you aren't a good person already.

I grew up in a religious environment that sounds like yours, so I know well the immense guilt that can be wielded like a hammer used in the name of God. It can wear on you.

UV is exactly right... If you hang around this environment, people there will try to convince you there's some external entity controlling your thoughts - one they will say you allowed in through your musical and lifestyle choices. See how that works? On the one hand, there's the evil entity influencing you, but on the other, it's your own fault. It's a lose-lose designed to break you down. Sadly, they probably mean well and have no idea how harmful their actions can be.

Being a better person is a great goal! Please don't give up who you are in the process. Be a better you, not a better someone else that others want you to be.

Just my 2 cents. Keep us posted how you are doing.

 

[TheKnight]

Kimberlee, all you need to do is remain ethical and obey the Biblical laws that apply to you.

 

[blackout]

Honey, I put a hold on my whole music career years back,
doing church and family.

All that's left of that now is a lost business,
a career i have to start all over again at the age of 40
and a swampload of regret I had to pull myself out of.
(in leiu of dying)

Yes I have four kids I adore.
But the church... and marriage I gave mySelf up for,
that I gave the BEST years of my life up for,
are both dead to me now.
I took on an ideal,
listened to other people,
did what I was "supposed to"
and LOST mySelf entirely.

You are OBVIOUSLY not demon posessed.
These people are full of crap.
PLEASE do not influence your boyfriend to give up his career now!
He may never get the chance again, that he has now.
You will lose ALL your connections.
And one day he will connect you with this VERY BAD decision.

I say this all only from personal experience.

Instead of giving up your friends and your music and yourSelf,
I suggest giving up these other people's demons and dogmas.
If I can help save any young people from my own loss,
it makes it hurt just a little less.

 

[Kerr]

Honey, I put a hold on my whole music career years back,
doing church and family.

All that's left of that now is a lost business,
a career i have to start all over again at the age of 40
and a swamload of regret I had to pull myself out of.
(in leiu of dying)

Yes I have four kids I adore.
But church and marriage are dead to me.
I took on an ideal,
listened to other people,
did what I was "supposed to"
and LOST mySelf entirely.

You are OBVIOUSLY not demon posessed.
These people are full of crap.
PLEASE do not influence your boyfriend to give up his career now!
He may never get the chance again, that he has now.
You will lose ALL your connections.
And one day he will connect you with this VERY BAD decision.

I say this all only from personal experience.

Instead of giving up your friends and your music and yourSelf,
I suggest giving up these other people's demons and dogmas.
If I can help save any young people from my own loss,
it makes it hurt just a little less.

Listen to UV, there is much wisdom in what she say here.

 

[ayani]

i've defiantely encountered a couple weird situations, especially since becoming a Christian. i never quote used to believe in demons or evil, but i do now.

i've had a couple of incidents where i'll be talking to someone, especially about Christian topics or the Gospel, and weird things will come out of their mouth, wholly unrelated to the topic at hand. it's not as thought they're just side tracking, it's almost like something else is speaking through them. it's truly odd, and discomforting.

i remember one incident where a customer at work began talking to me about the Bible, and his beliefs as a New Thought adherent. i don't usually talk religion with customers, but this guy was a neighbor and we'd haggled about this topic before. i suggested to him, earnestly, that he simply sit down with the Bible, and if confused, just as God what is true about Jesus (this was a very Christian conversation). and as he was walking away (conversation was done) he turned back to me and said in this sqeaky, mocking voice "oh, i walk with Jesus every day!", in a very sarcastic and nasty tone. this from a man who is very nice and who claims to truly love Jesus. it was weird. i wondered what on earth had sparked him to say that, and mentioned it to my husband later, who suggested that perhaps it wasn't him talking.

any other Christians or non-Christians experience this?

 

[blackout]

Halloween, and your favorite movies will be next.

And then one day... you.

will be gone.

 

[Nepenthe]

i've defiantely encountered a couple weird situations, especially since becoming a Christian. i never quote used to believe in demons or evil, but i do now.

i've had a couple of incidents where i'll be talking to someone, especially about Christian topics or the Gospel, and weird things will come out of their mouth, wholly unrelated to the topic at hand. it's not as thought they're just side tracking, it's almost like something else is speaking through them. it's truly odd, and discomforting.

i remember one incident where a customer at work began talking to me about the Bible, and his beliefs as a New Thought adherent. i don't usually talk religion with customers, but this guy was a neighbor and we'd haggled about this topic before. i suggested to him, earnestly, that he simply sit down with the Bible, and if confused, just as God what is true about Jesus (this was a very Christian conversation). and as he was walking away (conversation was done) he turned back to me and said in this sqeaky, mocking voice "oh, i walk with Jesus every day!", in a very sarcastic and nasty tone. this from a man who is very nice and who claims to truly love Jesus. it was weird. i wondered what on earth had sparked him to say that, and mentioned it to my husband later, who suggested that perhaps it wasn't him talking.

any other Christians or non-Christians experience this?

If trivial incidents like these are examples of demons then anything can be construed as demonic by the believer. What wouldn't be evidence of demons if the scenarios in your post are positive examples?

 

[blackout]

Fear of demons kept me from the deeper meditation and healing energy of my youth.
I never wanted to do anything to bring them out,
I was afraid of the astral experience,
because the stories of physical assault by the demonic
even by people I knew,
scared the **** out of me.

When i finally threw wide open the doors of pandora's box
(as it was that or death)
I faced my fears and demons,
which manifested a variety of ways
... though I walked without fear.
And they soon disappeared.

I knew I was dying anyway.
I was headed for death.
So if the demons manifested and killed me,
assaulted me,
at that point i would not have cared.
This was how fear laid itself to rest.
It was a last ditch effort to live.
But I was ready to die.
I had nothing left to lose.
I knew my religion had been crap.
And I was already dying physically, spiritually, and mentally.

I truly believe mind and experience of reality
are so interconnected as to be indistinguisable.
We see what we believe. (we see)
And usually we believe what we think. (we see)

No one sees our "demons" but us.
Because they are our own...
if we see, and believe them into being.

 

[ayani]

Nepenthe ~

that's a good question. if you look in the NT, many times conditions we would today call epilepsy, schizophrenia, etc. are understood to be demonic in origin, and according to those same Gospel narratives, the origin of the affliction does turn out to be spiritual, and Jesus heals that person by casting out the evil spirits within them.

this is not something many people believe today, and i've heard pastors dismiss these stories as "oh, well, back then people didn't know what a seizure was, and now our medicine is more advanced". so.....according to your own Bible which you claim to be the true Word of God Jesus was casting out bad brain chemistry, which he also talked to and cast into swine? from a purely materialistic point of view that may make more sense, but reading the whole text you can't deny that Jesus did talk to these things, did address them as demons, and that the family members of these sick people also understood these conditions to be caused by evil spirits.

you could also ask "ok, assuming there something to this, how do you tell the difference between, say, an insane person who really does just have a medical problem, and a demoniac?" that's a difficult one. my husband has been present at a couple of exorcisms, where the person came in troubled, crazed, spouting obscene nonsense, violent, hurting themselves, and sneering at everyone, and left fine, thankful, calm, and restored. now, how that happened can be explained a number of ways. the Christians perspective would be that evil had been driven out of that person by the power of Jesus' Name, as per the NT. where numerous other tactics of approach, including anti-psychotics, traditional spiritual cures, rest, psychological treatment, and tranquilizers had failed.

 

[blackout]

Riverwolf already said it better than I will be able to.

Demons are entirely mental and inward; there are no external demons unless they are projected with our minds. What is their purpose? What is the purpose of Fear? Find out, and you will know the motive for the "demon" called Fear.

The motive is to keep us alive. Not so demonic, after all, eh? Yet it can turn into a demon if Fear becomes Paranoia. Trust me: if you Fear demons, demons will come after you. If you Hate demons, demons will come after you. If you accept demons, demons will come after you.

If you are "possessed," it means you've gone crazy. You believe yourself to be possessed: you are possessed. Unfortunately, for many people, it is not enough to simply repeat: "I am not possessed, I am not possessed..." in fact, it can sometimes make things worse, especially if you expect a quick fix, which doesn't exist. Remember, Jesus had to spend 40 days and nights in the desert before he could conquer Satan, and even then, what the devil tempted Jesus with, I'm sure he wanted as well. He had to deny himself to gain the wisdom that he had. The Buddha went through the same thing: denying himself the temptations of demons before finally realizing the final truth: there were never any real demons in the first place beyond what his mind had created.

In other words: demons are illusions.


Those are my thoughts.

They are illusions of your own creation.

 

[MSizer]

Nepenthe ~

...but reading the whole text you can't deny that Jesus did talk to these things, did address them as demons, and that the family members of these sick people also understood these conditions to be caused by evil spirits...

Actually it's pretty easy. Watch.

Jesus did not talk to those things. Believing that he did is no different that believing in goblins.

There. Despite the slightly sarcastic tone, I am absolutely serious.

 

[ayani]

M ~

i said "reading the text..." meaning reading the contents of the narrative and assuming that they record true events, as i presume an ordained pastor would. now if you come into the text denying the existence or relevance of anything unseen and spiritual, well, a lot gets automatically discounted and thrown out the window. this is why Christians read the Gospel narratives as describing true events in a linear sequence, both the material (places, people, times of day) and the spiritual (demons, miracles, and Christ's resurrection from the dead) as eually true and indivisible parts of the same story.

 

[ragordon168]

i've defiantely encountered a couple weird situations, especially since becoming a Christian. i never quote used to believe in demons or evil, but i do now.

i've had a couple of incidents where i'll be talking to someone, especially about Christian topics or the Gospel, and weird things will come out of their mouth, wholly unrelated to the topic at hand. it's not as thought they're just side tracking, it's almost like something else is speaking through them. it's truly odd, and discomforting.

i remember one incident where a customer at work began talking to me about the Bible, and his beliefs as a New Thought adherent. i don't usually talk religion with customers, but this guy was a neighbor and we'd haggled about this topic before. i suggested to him, earnestly, that he simply sit down with the Bible, and if confused, just as God what is true about Jesus (this was a very Christian conversation). and as he was walking away (conversation was done) he turned back to me and said in this sqeaky, mocking voice "oh, i walk with Jesus every day!", in a very sarcastic and nasty tone. this from a man who is very nice and who claims to truly love Jesus. it was weird. i wondered what on earth had sparked him to say that, and mentioned it to my husband later, who suggested that perhaps it wasn't him talking.

any other Christians or non-Christians experience this?

have you ever had and angelic experience? because from another persons POV that could be described as demonic.

"Only difference between angels and demons is the side they are on" think about it lucifer and the demons are all angels, they are just batting for the other side.