The denial of the pecking order is folly

[Hevenly Heathen]

The world would definately be a better place if we would all chose to respect one another and help eachother. But that would be unnatural and take work, and humans as a species have demonstrated that the least difficult path is preferred.

We humans do have all of the faculties to erradicate many inhuman and unjust practices, and though many see and experience them, there is no real shift to shed these...

 

[blackout]

The world would definately be a better place if we would all chose to respect one another and help eachother. But that would be unnatural and take work, and humans as a species have demonstrated that the least difficult path is preferred.

We humans do have all of the faculties to erradicate many inhuman and unjust practices, and though many see and experience them, there is no real shift to shed these...

Funny though that the 'least' difficult path today,
often turns out to be the most difficult path tomorrow.

 

[Hevenly Heathen]

In all seriousness, I do understand why it is such a difficult task. Changing habits are very difficult, and becoming more so with how much we are bombarded by information these days and distractions. I sometimes find it difficult just to take some breathing time for myself to keep my own sanity, haha.

 

[nnmartin]

What we look for, and see, in others,
is usually indicative of the kinds of things we look for and see
in our own Selves.

ie: ego gratification and enhancement

[I expect my children only to be as respectful to me,
as I am to them.
They will reflect my own actions and attitudes,
as I am their primary role model.

ie: ego gratification and enhancement.

You are saying that we judge people on how we see ourselves in them just like our friend Narcissus did.

 

[Hevenly Heathen]

You are saying that we judge people on how we see ourselves in them just like our friend Narcissus did.

How can you find and accurately identify any behavior type or begin to presume to understand others if you have not found those in yourself?

 

[nnmartin]

Instead of 'charity', I would much rather see a move towards smart teamwork.

yes, charity is another one of those great artifices of man.

It works in a very similar way to the begging scenario I mentioned earlier.

Charity is about the ego, and making oneself feel grand.

If you are a charity worker you gain status as a supposedly good person, the same as if you are a donor. But this is mere ego enhancement because most people only donate to rid themselves of a feeling of guilt about world poverty whilst continuing to sip on their lattes and take the usual 3 week skiing trip to Aspen or Switzerland.

Some people even think that charity should replace Welfare so that they can of course have the power to say who gets what and who doesn't.

This is because they enjoy the feeling of grandeur that comes with playing the pseudo-God game.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I rather have not a secular system and certainly not a global one.. Just look at the counts of rapes, deaths, murders, violence, thief's in the west.. the list goes on off-course but you see my point.

I want to have a society that is: just, fair and has a golen-rule applied without ''Capitalism or Socialism'' but rather with contribution. I also do not see Islam being not a part of Economics it influences Economies like it did in the Golden-Age of Islam. And this will happen if Real Islamic law is intended in the society. For example if Saudi-Arabia as government would ''Contribute'' the money it gets from Oil among there people (As islam teaches) then nobody would have even to work in Saudi-Arabia.

Just look at the counts of rapes, deaths, murders, violence, thief's in the west.. the list goes on off-course but you see my point.

Look at a City like Bradford in the UK ... Muslims have an equally high proportion of offenders in all these categories as other religions and amongst atheists. And have many more forced marriages and honour killings.

if Saudi-Arabia as government would ''Contribute'' the money it gets from Oil among there people (As Islam teaches) then nobody would have even to work in Saudi-Arabia.

You have not thought about what you are saying. Free money is meaningless. some one has to do the work. Restaurants, hairdressers, builders, shop assistants, cleaners, bankers, accountants, doctors and the plethora of services any civilisation needs for its day to day survival, all have to be done by "People Working" This was as true in the Golden age of Islam as it is now, However "then" slavery was the norm.

Did you know Muslim slave raiders even attacked as far as the southern coastal towns of England and Ireland, taking off entire communities in that "Golden Age"

 

[nnmartin]

I don't think the 'not having to work' in Saudi Arabia was meant to be taken literally.

Yes, work would still have to be performed but if the oil revenue were to be distributed more evenly then the common man could have a better standard of living.

 

[Hevenly Heathen]

yes, charity is another one of those great artifices of man.

It works in a very similar way to the begging scenario I mentioned earlier.

Charity is about the ego, and making oneself feel grand.

If you are a charity worker you gain status as a supposedly good person, the same as if you are a donor. But this is the mere ego enhancement because most people only donate to rid themselves of a feeling of guilt about world poverty whilst continuing to sip on their lattes and take the usual 3 week skiing trip to Aspen or Switzerland.

Some people even think that charity should replace Welfare so that they can of course have the power to say who gets what and who doesn't.

This is because they enjoy the feeling of grandeur that comes with playing the pseudo-God game.

What if you felt compassion towards the person? Yes fulfilling that emotion makes one feel better, but it lacks the grandeur. And what if someone is detached from the world so much as there is no emotion, simply the giving of something someone else needs more?

 

[blackout]

Originally Posted by UltraViolet
What we look for, and see, in others,
is usually indicative of the kinds of things we look for and see
in our own Selves.

ie: ego gratification and enhancement
ie: ego gratification and enhancement.

You are saying that we judge people on how we see ourselves in them just like our friend Narcissus did.

You certainly make the case for yourself anyway.

 

[blackout]

[I expect my children only to be as respectful to me,
as I am to them.
They will reflect my own actions and attitudes,
as I am their primary role model.

ie: ego gratification and enhancement.

ummm... no... Mutual Respect...
stemming most importantly
from love,
and genuine appreciation of the other.

Besides which it's highly hypocritical
to expect one behavior from your children
while you hold your own behavior to a lower standard.
It's a good way to teach your children how to be hypocrits.
Thankfully a great many parents have more integrity than this.

But you feel free to keep measuring yourSelf and everyone else
by measures of ego gratification.
It is what you see,
as it is obviously the standard you live by.
That, and judgement of worth by 'status'
(or money earned).

 

[nnmartin]

You certainly make the case for yourself anyway.

That's because I'm the only special one out there trying to genuinely help the World.

 

[Hevenly Heathen]

Revolving the world around oneself isn't genuinely trying to help the world, it's narcissistic

 

[nnmartin]

yes, I was being ironic - ie: joking:cover:

 

[Hevenly Heathen]

Yes, and I was being sarcastic - ie. joking

 

[cablescavenger]

We are all only truly happy when we can elevate ourselves over others.

You might be right because it makes me happy to know that your way of thinking is beneath me

 

[nnmartin]

so why we so quick to judge others and condemn them at the slightest percieved wrong - it's because it makes us feel superior to them.

Most of us need this ridiculous ego boost just to feel part of humanity.

What we must do is elevate ourselves above the need to actually care about others whatsoever - we must wallow in our own holy power.

The holy power that is given to us.

 

[nnmartin]

Revolving the world around oneself isn't genuinely trying to help the world, it's narcissistic

It's not quite revolving the world around us but more a case of moving through the word with the holy power of The Essence within us.

We are The Essence bearers.

Those who try to entrap, scorn or dismiss the Essence bearers must be eradicated.

Those who attempt to be disdainful off or disinterested in the Essence bearers must also be eradicated.

And especially, those of the perverted self-glorifying righteous kind that seek to exploit an Essence bearer for financial gain must be well and truly squashed like the proverbial slugs they are.

 

[Hevenly Heathen]

Powertrip much?

Human nature will only be eradicated by the self, not by outside influences. Those outside the self can only inspire, and only if the self allows it. You cannot force people to change, and eradication will not drive people to see your way, that type of force will push them away and only attract those who wish for power over others.

Perhaps you could start a thread, if you haven't already, about these Essence bearers.

 

[nnmartin]

Yes, perhaps I shall.

More about the Essence later.