The Design of Torture

[Wotan]

It's not difficult. you seem to think that in a kinder gentler world that people would be able to make a choice. god dis agrees. He feels, and seems to know about the degradation of sin and wants people to understand it as well.

"God" doesn't know a thing. It does not exist.

PEOPLE make up this crap, including the idea of "sin" and use it as a weapon to force compliance with the tenets of a hateful medieval myth.

 

[PolyHedral]

It's not difficult. you seem to think that in a kinder gentler world that people would be able to make a choice. god dis agrees. He feels, and seems to know about the degradation of sin and wants people to understand it as well.

"Sin" is a consequence of living in a world with finite resources. If you remove that limit on resources, almost all motivation for sin vanishes. Why hasn't God done that?

 

[Meow Mix]

It's not difficult. you seem to think that in a kinder gentler world that people would be able to make a choice. god dis agrees. He feels, and seems to know about the degradation of sin and wants people to understand it as well.

This sort of avoids my whole proposition of God removing the capacity for sin.

If sin couldn't exist, why would God want to create it just to show people what it's like unless He's a malevolent demon?

 

[Starsoul]

This sort of avoids my whole proposition of God removing the capacity for sin.

If sin couldn't exist, why would God want to create it just to show people what it's like unless He's a malevolent demon?

lol do you call the doctor a malevolent demon when he injects you a vaccine or some bitter medicine you had to take to cure your illness? How come a doctor is a messiah and God isn't?

 

[PolyHedral]

Because the doctor can't remove the illness instantaneously, painlessly, and at no cost.

 

[Starsoul]

And God actually does tell you that the pain , illness and suffering isnt 'real', wont last long, its just there to make humans strong, but that obviously isn't a concept you would want to buy. Ever tried it? I suppose no, because for a large number of people it really works like a miracle.

 

[PolyHedral]

When you are all-powerful (or some reasonable approximation of), pain is unnecessary and can be done away with.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

lol do you call the doctor a malevolent demon when he injects you a vaccine or some bitter medicine you had to take to cure your illness? How come a doctor is a messiah and God isn't?

If a doctor has a medicine that tastes pleasant and a medicine that tastes bitter and both do an equally good job, then his choice to give you the bitter medicine has nothing to do with curing your illness.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

All is answered in my silly diagram, that no one wants to talk about
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I am only kidding BTW...

 

[Wotan]

Ouch, somebody is hurt!

Was that supposed to be an answer or just more self effacing drivel?

 

[Wotan]

lol do you call the doctor a malevolent demon when he injects you a vaccine or some bitter medicine you had to take to cure your illness? How come a doctor is a messiah and God isn't?

Because the doctor is real and often what he does works.

Your favorite invisible fairy god-father is a figment of your imagination. And the placebo effect.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

"God" doesn't know a thing. It does not exist.

PEOPLE make up this crap, including the idea of "sin" and use it as a weapon to force compliance with the tenets of a hateful medieval myth.

Thank you for calling and sharing.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

"Sin" is a consequence of living in a world with finite resources.

Huh?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

This sort of avoids my whole proposition of God removing the capacity for sin.

If sin couldn't exist, why would God want to create it just to show people what it's like unless He's a malevolent demon?

Ummm, this sort of brings up my whole argument. God wants you to choose Him. In order to choose Him their has to be something to choose from.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

lol do you call the doctor a malevolent demon when he injects you a vaccine or some bitter medicine you had to take to cure your illness? How come a doctor is a messiah and God isn't?

:bunny:Bunny trail.

 

[PolyHedral]

Huh?

What possible reason do you have to sin if you have instant access to anything you want?

Ummm, this sort of brings up my whole argument. God wants you to choose Him. In order to choose Him their has to be something to choose from.

Yes; A lack of Him. That doesn't mean that anything else has to change. The choice could be between paradise with God, and paradise without God.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

What possible reason do you have to sin if you have instant access to anything you want?

Yes; A lack of Him. That doesn't mean that anything else has to change. The choice could be between paradise with God, and paradise without God.

What's the difference?

 

[PolyHedral]

God. Whatever that is.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

God. Whatever that is.

And why would I choose Him?

 

[PolyHedral]

That's up to you.