So who, in your estimation, who is the coffee, who is the coffee maker, and which...Jesus or the Father...made the whole thing ALONE, without the need of a coffee maker if he was the brew, or with the brew if He was the coffee maker?
But I have never known baby clothes, cribs or an educational plan to create anything, much less die for us.
When God said "Let there be Light" there was light, not a plan about Jesus Christ.
Also, you keep saying "nothing was created without him" when we have scripture telling us God created everything ALONE. You really need to reconcile those two thoughts.
If I build a house but employ my brother to build it, I have not built the house alone. If I build a house but build it through my construction company, I have not built the house alone. If I have created the universe but do it through someone else, then I have not created the universe alone.
And if all I have is a
plan or
idea about the house or universe then I haven't built anything at all.
Isaiah 45:18 tells us God create the heavens alone, by Himself. If He used another human or God to do it then that's simply not true.
John tells us Jesus created "all things" and there is nothing made that hasn't been made by Jesus.
You really need to reconcile these two verses and I don't think making Jesus into a plan or idea quite does that.
BTW, I love the effort and commentary you've exhibited in your posts but for the reasons above can't quite reconcile them with scripture.
Again, great verses MJFlores, and they look great in isolation, but I'd really like to know how you reconcile them with John 1:3 and the Isaiah passages regarding creation.
Another point to consider: You asked and stated the following:
Do you think everything were created for man? I do not think so, everything was created for him (my Lord Jesus Christ).
If Jesus Christ is just a man, then everything created was for man. If Jesus Christ is "a god" (like the JW's preach) then everything was created for some other god.
IN BOTH INSTANCES the glory thus belongs to another distinct entity in direct violation of scripture (Isaiah 42:8, Isaiah 48:11).
On the other hand, since Trinitarians believe Jesus is God, the glory remains right where it belongs...with God. There is no "handing over" of His glory to a separate entity and insertion of conflict into scripture.
This is what I mean by reconciling scripture as a whole, rather than looking at various verses as separate islands.
I think its this inability to reconcile scripture that leads many Arians to the same conclusion as Adrian:
Or to brazenly insert words like "other" into scripture (Col 1:16) in order to suit doctrine even though "other" is
completely missing from any and all Greek manuscripts.