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The Donald Trump Rape Trial is underway.

metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
pearl said:
If I am correct, this is a civil trial for defamation not the actual rape as that charge may no longer apply due to the statute of limitations which are
different according to the particular state.
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That's my understanding as well, as the issue of rape is part of the background.
 
exchemist

exchemist

Veteran Member
Callisto said:
If there was insufficient evidence to bring a case, the prosecution wouldn't attempt a trial. I don't know where you live but in the US prosecutors, both on federal and state levels, weigh the viability of trying a case as one's conviction rate is considered important. And on such a high-profile case, it's career suicide to bring a frivolous case.

How much time has passed is irrelevant as this case centers on defamation by Trump against Carroll as it pertains to the rape and which occurred during his presidency.

As for evidence, her lawyers wanted Trump to submit a DNA sample to compare against the clothing Carroll claims she was wearing at the time of the rape and that has not been laundered. He refused to comply.
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Prosecution? This is not a criminal trial. It’s a civil case. All it takes is for the plaintiff’s counsel to advise them there is a prospect of success.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Father Heathen said:
Stop presuming to speak for others, especially in ways that portray them as shallow buffoons.
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With all due respect, I believe that American culture is very patriarchal, since it's men who determine what women need to say, or what they need to think, to be considered worth-respecting.
And this is incredibly patriarchal.

Because if a woman says: "I would love to pass a night with Di Caprio", she is considered not serious? Shallow?
Women have sex drives too.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Estro Felino said:
With all due respect, I believe that American culture is very patriarchal, since it's men who determine what women need to say, or what they need to think, to be considered worth-respecting.
And this is incredibly patriarchal.

Because if a woman says: "I would love to pass a night with Di Caprio", she is considered not serious? Shallow?
Women have sex drives too.
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Italian culture seems to be significantly more misogynist, by your descriptions.
That aside, my comment had nothing to do with sex drives, but rather with how you implied women act upon them, as if they lacked any depth or substance.
Women aren't two dimensional cartoon characters.
 
Callisto

Callisto

Hellenismos, BTW
pearl said:
If I am correct, this is a civil trial for defamation not the actual rape as that charge may no longer apply due to the statute of limitations which are
different according to the particular state.
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Correct, the crime occurred in the 1990s, a time when women were far less likely to report (only one-third, according to Nat'l Inst. of Justice) and the statute of limitations in NY at the time was 5 years.

In 2019, Gov. Cuomo increased the statute of limitations for some forms of rape, however, the change was not retroactive.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
pearl said:
If I am correct, this is a civil trial for defamation not the actual rape as that charge may no longer apply due to the statute of limitations which are
different according to the particular state.
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Yes, I pointed that out on the first page. It is a civil trial. Which is worse for Trump. In New York State a unanimous decision is not needed for a civil trial. only five sixths of the jury need to vote against him for him to lose. And jury sizes can vary in New York. If there were only six jurors the plaintiff would only have to convince five. If there were a dozen then ten, eleven, or twelve voting against him would make him lose.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
pearl said:
If I am correct, this is a civil trial for defamation not the actual rape as that charge may no longer apply due to the statute of limitations which are
different according to the particular state.
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I think she is suing for battery and defamation.
Trump can't be found guilty but can be found liable.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
We Never Know said:

Trial begins in E. Jean Carroll's lawsuit against Trump for defamation, battery​


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Trial begins in E. Jean Carroll's lawsuit against Trump for defamation, battery

Carroll came forward with her story in 2019, alleging that Trump sexually assaulted her in the 1990s.
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Even without clicking on it I can see that she is suing for sexual assault, aka "rape".

EDIT: From the article:

"Nine New Yorkers have been assigned the task of deciding if former President Donald Trump attacked and raped advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in a department store bathroom in the 1990s, and if he committed defamation against her after she went public with the allegation in 2019."

As I said earlier, New York has varying jury sizes. In this case eight of the nine would have to vote against Trump for him to lose.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

No Slack
Subduction Zone said:
Even without clicking on it I can see that she is suing for sexual assault, aka "rape".

EDIT: From the article:

"Nine New Yorkers have been assigned the task of deciding if former President Donald Trump attacked and raped advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in a department store bathroom in the 1990s, and if he committed defamation against her after she went public with the allegation in 2019."

As I said earlier, New York has varying jury sizes. In this case eight of the nine would have to vote against Trump for him to lose.
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Yes she claims he raped her. The lawsuit is for battery and defamation
 
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