The earth is 13,000 years old and it is soon to be renewed when Christ comes

[FFH]

calm down children, let's get back on topic please?

We are on topic, we need to find out if Hugh is a legitimate source of info/interpretation of scripture or not..

 

[Bishka]

We are on topic, we need to find out if Hugh is a legitimate source of info/interpretation of scripture or not..

You would think the Brethren would have said something if he wasn't. :yes:

 

[SoyLeche]

You would think the Brethren would have said something if he wasn't. :yes:

Instead of quoting him all the time and printing articles he wrote in the Ensign.

 

[Bishka]

Instead of quoting him all the time and printing articles he wrote in the Ensign.

I know, I guess the Ensign isn't approved by the Church either.

 

[madhatter85]

I know, I guess the Ensign isn't approved by the Church either.

neither is this forum or thread,

I just want christ to come so that we can get on with this whole thing. *sigh*

 

[FFH]

neither is this forum or thread,

I just want christ to come so that we can get on with this whole thing. *sigh*

This is in reference to what you posted earlier.

Matthew 24: 22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Mark 13: 20
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Revelation 22: 7, 12
Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

 

[FFH]

Another amazing time piece we have is the Dead Sea...

According to Genesis, the waters were divided on the second day, which would have been 12,000 years ago.

The rivers would have started flowing at that time...between 12,000 and 11,000 years ago, during the second day of creation. 13,000 to 12,000 being the first day of creation...

Same time period Niagra Falls started eroding...

The Dead Sea
The Dead Sea in Israel receives fresh water from the Sea of Galilee via the Jordan River. The Dead Sea has a very high salt content and it continues to become saltier, because it has no outlet, other than evaporation.

Scientists have measured the amount of salt added each year by the Jordan River; and they have also calculated the amount of salt in the Dead Sea. From these numbers, scientists can calculate how long this process has been going on.

Assuming a constant rate of salt/water flow, and a zero salt level, at the beginning, the age of the Dead Sea has been estimated to be 12,000 years old.

Yaacov K. Benter arrived at this figure of 12,000 years.
See Scientific American Oct. 1983, p. 103

 

[FFH]

Genesis 1: 6-8, 14-15, 17, 20 (second day of creation)

Second 1,000 year period/day of creation starts 10,000 BC/12,000 years ago
1) Firmament/heavens/skies created
2) Waters divided between earth and the firmament/heavens/skies

 

[madhatter85]

This is in reference to what you posted earlier.

Matthew 24: 22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Mark 13: 20
And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

Revelation 22: 7, 12
Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Thanks FFH, i didn't have time to look it up right now cause i'm at work. So i appreciate the research on my behalf.

the dead sea thing is very very interesting. i'm going to have to read those articles.

 

[FFH]

2 Peter 3: 8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The reason "as" is used in this scripture, is because "time only is measured unto man," but because we do measure time, the Lord is gibing us a time frame of which the earth was created, with the ratio of 1day/1000 years, in respect to the planet on which God lives..

If we were to measure time, as man does, this would be the ratio.

"All is as one day with God"

Alma 40: 8
Now whether there is more than one time appointed for men to rise it mattereth not; for all do not die at once, and this mattereth not; all is as one day with God, and time only is measured unto men.

 

[wizanda]

1 Stone = 6.35029318 kg :angel2:

 

[FFH]

Thanks FFH, i didn't have time to look it up right now cause i'm at work. So i appreciate the research on my behalf.

the dead sea thing is very very interesting. i'm going to have to read those articles.

Old earth theorists/evolutionists will put the earth in several "ice boxes" over the last gazillion years, in order to discredit my theories...

Edit: There is no scripture to back up this claim...

The earth has never been completely frozen over at any time, according to scripture, and there is no archeological or geological evidence for any Ice Age whatsoever...

 

[madhatter85]

Ahhh yes, Science, I love the term Exact Science, because it's almost an Oxymoron. Science can never be exact because it's based off mathematics, and mathematics can never be exact because every number, whole or otherwise is infinitely divisible and multipliable. if the universe was infinite then there woudl be infinite enertia, nothing could ever have moved.

 

[FFH]

Old earth theorists/evolutionists will put the earth in several "ice boxes" over the last gazillion years, in order to discredit my theories...

Natural History Magazine | Feature

[SIZE=-1]"With the waning of the Ice Age some 12000 years ago, hunter-gatherers living in the Dead Sea rift zone made some crucial innovations in the collecting of ..."[/SIZE]

Interesting they put the last "ice box" thaw out at "some 12,000 years ago". They just freeze the earth so theories like mine can be supposedly discredited.

There is no evidence of the earth freezing in the Biblical historical account, since the time of creation...

They just plain and simple do not believe in God or the Bible as an historical document or the earth's history and many other LDS and other Christians as well, doubt the authenticity of the Bible as an accurate historical record...

Bottom line...

NO ICE AGE IN THE BIBLE and no evidence for any ice age whatsoever, only a world wide flood, which made it appear to have gone through many different stages/ages...

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Here is another theory, I call it the "Old Shed" theory.

say you have an old shed, 150 years old or so.

you dismantle it, save the wood and nails and such and they should still be in fairly usable conditon.

then using those same materials you build another shed, or a dog house and it works just fine.

then years later a scientist comes along ans makes a statement that this new shed (or dog house) is over 150 years old because of carbon dating ect....

but what he doesn't know is that the materials are that old indeed, but the shed was actually build only a few years ago.

Now with that in mind, could it not be possible that the materials (nitrogen, silicon, carbon, ect...) are Millions and Billions of years old, but that they were used to construct the earth as we have now?

FFH, I totally agree with you on this matter, and i'll definitely stand as a witness to that. (you still get a little creepy and "out there" when it comes to antichrist matters and such, but we still love ya)

I see where you're coming from. Think of this. We now have telescopes in space charting the movements of the continents. They're not moving by much each year but they are moving. Multiply their movement rate now and count backwards. It will be more than 13,000 years.

I'm stumped as to why this basic imformation is lost on people who continue to believe in the young earth theory. Forget carbon dating or radioactive dating. Forget all of that. We now have the ability to tract the movements of the continents and we have been doing it for years and the continents are STILL moving. If the continents were connected together as we can can clearly see because they fit together like a jigsaw puzzle then their seperation happened over millions of years. The only conclusion you can draw at this point is that the "planet earth"........ the land mass itself is older, millions of years older, than the young earth theory that is given.

 

[madhatter85]

I see where you're coming from. Think of this. We now have telescopes in space charting the movements of the continents. They're not moving by much each year but they are moving. Multiply their movement rate now and count backwards. It will be more than 13,000 years.

I'm stumped as to why this basic imformation is lost on people who continue to believe in the young earth theory. Forget carbon dating or radioactive dating. Forget all of that. We now have the ability to tract the movements of the continents and we have been doing it for years and the continents are STILL moving. If the continents were connected together as we can can clearly see because they fit together like a jigsaw puzzle then their seperation happened over millions of years. The only conclusion you can draw at this point is that the "planet earth"........ the land mass itself is older, millions of years older, than the young earth theory that is given.

Everythign we are seeing from telescopes, is delayed by thousands of years because of how slow light travels. what you are seeign already happened thousands of years ago, everything is moving in one way or another of course it is, who is to say that other worlds aren't being created, or in the process of creation where life is? why would we need a whole universe just for one planet to have life?

As for the continets to move, it woudln't take much time at all for the land masses to split apart, especially while under a tremendous amount of water during a complete flooding of the earth....

There are reports of earthquakes that move masses of land at an incredible rate of speed. Hell if there was a big enough earthquake which is not impossible it could have happened underwater all at one time. Who knows?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Everythign we are seeing from telescopes, is delayed by thousands of years because of how slow light travels. what you are seeign already happened thousands of years ago,

We may not be getting our information from the same sources. I am only talking about the movement that is documented with telescopes and lasers and this is done continously throughout the year. So the data is not from a thousand or thousands of years ago. The data is litterlay a year old. Since we have been able to study this situation the earth has changed very little.

Now what I haven't seen was an answer to a question I asked earlier today. Can I get a list of scientist that support Continental Drift happening over the course os 13,000 years? I need some of the scientist you all are using that say different than mainstream scientific data.

http://environment.newscientist.com/article/mg19225780.041

Moving Continents: Images of Continental Drift

Magnetic Reversals and Moving Continents

NOVA Online/Cracking the Ice Age/Hot Science: Continents on the Move/Answer 2

Hell if there was a big enough earthquake which is not impossible it could have happened underwater all at one time. Who knows?

But that's the problem. I need data that has shown that something like this has occured. Especially something so drastic as to move all of the earth apart over the short span of 13,000 years. The bible is no good in this area because it is vague at best and open to man, many interpertations.

 

[rojse]

I have a question. How come we can see the light of stars from more than 13,000 light years away? Wouldn't this be impossible because the speed of light is a fixed number?

 

[madhatter85]

I have a question. How come we can see the light of stars from more than 13,000 light years away? Wouldn't this be impossible because the speed of light is a fixed number?

no because we are talking about this planet having humans on it. Who knows when the other planets were created? time did not stop for this planet. we are not talking about the creation of the universe, just this planet

The other planets are irrelevant to us because we are not on them,

i don;t remember the exactl scriptural refrence, but i remembe rit following the lines of God saying

"Worlds without number have i created... somethign something..." it might be relevant here

 

[madhatter85]

We may not be getting our information from the same sources. I am only talking about the movement that is documented with telescopes and lasers and this is done continously throughout the year. So the data is not from a thousand or thousands of years ago. The data is litterlay a year old. Since we have been able to study this situation the earth has changed very little.

Now what I haven't seen was an answer to a question I asked earlier today. Can I get a list of scientist that support Continental Drift happening over the course os 13,000 years? I need some of the scientist you all are using that say different than mainstream scientific data.

http://environment.newscientist.com/article/mg19225780.041

Moving Continents: Images of Continental Drift

Magnetic Reversals and Moving Continents

NOVA Online/Cracking the Ice Age/Hot Science: Continents on the Move/Answer 2




But that's the problem. I need data that has shown that something like this has occured. Especially something so drastic as to move all of the earth apart over the short span of 13,000 years. The bible is no good in this area because it is vague at best and open to man, many interpertations.

I wonder if they have looked for evidence of a huge cataclysmic shift in the crust of the earth,

as for the light and telescope thing, look at my above post for a rebuke