The earth is 13,000 years old and it is soon to be renewed when Christ comes

[Tiberius]

Aw, not this rubbish again.

Is this the "Let the thread rest until everyone's forgotten your old arguments and then post the same old crap again" style of debate?

besides, if the oldest living thing is in California, was the garden of Eden there as well?

The Location of the Garden of Eden

Biased sorce, wanna try again?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

as for the light and telescope thing, look at my above post for a rebuke

That really wasn't an answer to my question. You gave me "your" opinion. I was looking for a list of scientist that support Continental Drift happening over the course os 13,000 years? I need some of the scientist you all are using that say different than mainstream scientific data.

So, once again, is there any testable data from a qualified scientist to show that the telescopes and the lasers being used are in accurate?

 

[madhatter85]

That really wasn't an answer to my question. You gave me "your" opinion. I was looking for a list of scientist that support Continental Drift happening over the course os 13,000 years? I need some of the scientist you all are using that say different than mainstream scientific data.

So, once again, is there any testable data from a qualified scientist to show that the telescopes and the lasers being used are in accurate?

Again how will that prove or disprove how old the earth actually is, nomatter what we are going to see the same "movement in space" over the last 13000 years, I fail to see the relevance as to how the earth was formed.

 

[astarath]

That really wasn't an answer to my question. You gave me "your" opinion. I was looking for a list of scientist that support Continental Drift happening over the course os 13,000 years? I need some of the scientist you all are using that say different than mainstream scientific data.

So, once again, is there any testable data from a qualified scientist to show that the telescopes and the lasers being used are in accurate?

this thread of thinking regardless of how the plates and cotninents move is pointless as nobody knows the orginal placement of the continents,

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Again how will that prove or disprove how old the earth actually is, nomatter what we are going to see the same "movement in space" over the last 13000 years, I fail to see the relevance as to how the earth was formed.

We are talking about two fixed telescopes in earths orbit shooting lasers at a fixed point on the earth. At the end of the year the calcualtions are complete. The continent had moved x amount of centermeters.

I can understand the other person's question as well regarding the speed of ligt. Light trveling from a distant star to earth can be measured in the hundreds of thousands of years or billions, not just a mere 13,000 years.

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1997/25

We are not talking "creation" of the earth...only that the earth is extremely older than 13,000 years. This, so far, has been shown by the speed of light from distant stars. And so far you have not, nor has FFH given me some scientist that has taken this data and shown that the math is wrong and it is all in actuallity 13,000 years. So far I have only heard the vague interpertations from the bible and guesses by you and FFH.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

this thread of thinking regardless of how the plates and cotninents move is pointless as nobody knows the orginal placement of the continents,

Thank you. This is why I was asking the questions. I was hoping some one would say they knew the orginal placements of the continents. We can speculate because the land masses appear to fit together like a jigsaw puzzel but I have yet to be presented with a scientist that says that they were close together or connected 13,000 years ago. Scientist calcualte it much longer than that. I'm still waiting on that scientist that told them it was 13,000 years ago.

Here's a (speed of light question), if you know it.....If the light of a distant star takes hundreds of thousands of years to get to us then would it not stand to reason that light from our sun would take hundreds of thousands of years to make it there to that distant star? I've often wondered about that......If you know of an online source can you give me the link?

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Everyday someone probably claims that christ willcome, guess what? It doesent happen. Why would godwant tocome down here anyway? He controls every fomr his big intergalactic cruiser up there.(with an argonlaser)

 

[DeepShadow]

Thank you. This is why I was asking the questions. I was hoping some one would say they knew the orginal placements of the continents. We can speculate because the land masses appear to fit together like a jigsaw puzzel but I have yet to be presented with a scientist that says that they were close together or connected 13,000 years ago.

Okay, let's take stock:
We have evidence of how fast the continents are now drifting.

We have fossil evidence that (among others) South America and Africa were joined at some point in the past.

Applying mathematics, we can conclude that South America and Africa were not joined together within the last 13,000 years, unless the continents have slowed their movement rates drastically.

So the question is, do we have evidence of the continents changing their rate of movement during the time in question?

 

[rojse]

If the Garden of Eden was located in America, how did everyone manage to get to Africa without continential drift, the boats were far too small to negotiate ten thousand miles of sea, and we definitely had no planes?

 

[rojse]

Where was the apple tree?!?!?!?!?

 

[SoyLeche]

Where was the apple tree?!?!?!?!?

Why does everyone think it was an apple tree?

 

[FFH]

If the Garden of Eden was located in America, how did everyone manage to get to Africa without continential drift, the boats were far too small to negotiate ten thousand miles of sea, and we definitely had no planes?

Since we know Adam and Eve inhabited North America, we can assume Noah and his family also lived on the American continent and boarded the Ark from there, then drifted to the "Mountains of Ararat"...as it states in the Bible, where the Ark has been seen in the past...

Where was the apple tree?!?!?!?!?

In Missouri...

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Okay, let's take stock:
We have evidence of how fast the continents are now drifting.

We have fossil evidence that (among others) South America and Africa were joined at some point in the past.

Applying mathematics, we can conclude that South America and Africa were not joined together within the last 13,000 years, unless the continents have slowed their movement rates drastically.

So the question is, do we have evidence of the continents changing their rate of movement during the time in question?

This information does lead me to believe that the planet is much older than 13,000 years.

I don't we have evidence of them changing their rate of movement at least I haven't come across a study yet.

 

[FFH]

The earth is approximately 13,000 years old and during the 7th millenium we will rest with Christ on this earth when it will receive it's paradisaical glory.

Just stumbled upon this article, not many have this kind of understanding of scripture. This article describes what I've tried to point out in this thread.

6,000 years of creation, 1,000 years of rest
6,000 years since the fall of Adam and Eve, 1,000 years of rest

There is a definite pattern in scripture.

We don't know the "day or the hour" of Christ's coming, but we do know the approximate time, given the pattern we see clearly laid out in scripture.

Don't comment on this unless you've read it thoroughly and understand the principle behind it.

No one, including me, is putting a date, only a general time frame, according to the pattern clearly laid out in scripture.

When is Jesus Coming?

 

[Tiberius]

Um, you've tried to point it out, but every single piece of evidence you've used to support your claims has been shot down in flames.

And that article states that it will happen when the Earth is 6000 years old. Given that you've never been able to show that the earth is this old (you've merely claimed it and given no substantial evidence to back up your claims), this new claim means nothing. Any claim based on false premises is a false claim.

And is it just me, or is that whole thing based on a big "IF"? It's an assumption, as well as based off a false premise.

And what's all this about some of these things being 7, others being 70, others being 700 and others being 7000? I mean, sure, it's only out by an order of magnitude, but only if you are using the base 10 counting system. isn't it lucky that we chose the counting system that would tie in with God's plan? Imagine the confusion if we used the base 9 or base 11 system instead!

Oh, and within a couple of years of 2000, the article says? Hate to break it to you, but we're rapidly approaching a DECADE since that happened, so I doubt that "give or take a few years" still applies.

And what's this nonsense about "Many astronomers and other scientists using sophisticated computer programs have calculated that the earth will be 6000 years old sometime around the year 2000"? Give me the name of ONE reputable scientist who has come to this conclusion? Site a single piece of verifiable evidence to back this up?

Care to give us something to go on that's actually concrete instead of this nonsense?

 

[Azakel]

Why does everyone think it was an apple tree?

I don't know, I was watching a Show on History channel that was talking about it my likely that it was a fig tree if we look where it take place. There was more too it also but I can't remember what off the top of my head.

Since we know Adam and Eve inhabited North America, we can assume Noah and his family also lived on the American continent and boarded the Ark from there, then drifted to the "Mountains of Ararat"...as it states in the Bible, where the Ark has been seen in the past...

Sure, that way all the evidence for a Garden of Eden have been found ether over in the Middle East close to where Egypt is, or even in Africa itself. Africa make more sense to me.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

FFH, your joking, right? Every tom jehovah and joseph has said he is coming to pop on earth i na coupla thousand years, it has never happend.

 

[Somkid]

The Babylonians invented witting 1,000 before "the Earth was created" by Biblical accounts I'm sure they would have held off on this invention had they know the Earth would be created in another 1,000 years.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

I think the Bible is a little confusing for the simple-minded.

 

[kai]

I think the Bible is a little confusing for the simple-minded.

about as confusing as babylonian writing