The earth is 13,000 years old and it is soon to be renewed when Christ comes

[FFH]

Originally Posted by fantôme profane
I am really sorry to tell you this, but it is you that needs to check your math. If the tree is 9550 years old then it had its birth around 7550 BC, not 9550 BC. Am I the only one living in the 21st century?

Not that any of this is relevant to the ridiculous notion that the earth is only 13000 years old.

Trees were created by God between 9,000 B.C and 8,000 B.C. (11,000 and 10,000 years ago), which was the third day of creation.

The tree Painted Wolf posted was dated 7,550 B.C., which is older than the 6,000 year old (4,000 B.C.) creation (or beginning of time) theory, which many Christians adhere to, WHICH I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH.

The tree doesn't need to be from the third day of creation period, (9,000 B.C. to 8,000 B.C or 11,000 to 10,000 years ago) to prove my theory, it only needs to be older than 6,000 years old, which it is.

Proving plants existed before 4,000 B.C. (6,000 years ago) and after the creation period (9,000 B.C. to 8,000 B.C. or 11,000 to 10,000 years ago), is what I'm concerned with.

The tree fits within the 6,000 year (fall of Adam) and the 11,000 year (beginning of the third day of creation, when plants were created) period, the tree being 9,550 years old.

First day of creation 13,000 to 12,000 years ago
Vegetation created (third day of creation) 11,000 to 10,000 years ago
Oldest living tree ~ 9,550 years old
Adam and Eve Fell (cast out of the Garden of Eden) ~ 6,000 years ago
Christ atones for the sins of the world ~ 2,000 years ago

Christ will rule and reign on earth for the next 1,000 years

 

[Azakel]

I am really sorry to tell you this, but it is you that needs to check your math. If the tree is 9550 years old then it had its birth around 7550 BC, not 9550 BC. Am I the only one living in the 21st century?

Not that any of this is relevant to the ridiculous notion that the earth is only 13000 years old.

Okay, my bad I'm sorry that my math was off. Ypu must be the only one living in the 21st century

 

[silvermoon383]

What I want to know FFH, is where you get the idea that the Earth is 13,000 years old. If you say that you get it because you consider the creation to have taken 7000 years (1000 years for each day), I'm afraid I'm going to have to insist that you reread the Book of Abraham.

 

[camanintx]

Proving plants existed before 4,000 B.C. (6,000 years ago) and after the creation period (9,000 B.C. to 8,000 B.C. or 11,000 to 10,000 years ago), is what I'm concerned with.

Except that plants have existed for much longer than 10,000 or even 10,000,000 years.

Petrified Wood -DesertUSA

Fossil Record of the Plantae

 

[fantome profane]

Trees were created by God between 9,000 B.C and 8,000 B.C. (11,000 and 10,000 years ago), which was the third day of creation.

The tree Painted Wolf posted was dated 7,550 B.C., which is older than the 6,000 year old (4,000 B.C.) creation (or beginning of time) theory, which many Christians adhere to, WHICH I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH.

The tree doesn't need to be from the third day of creation period, (9,000 B.C. to 8,000 B.C or 11,000 to 10,000 years ago) to prove my theory, it only needs to be older than 6,000 years old, which it is.

Proving plants existed before 4,000 B.C. (6,000 years ago) and after the creation period (9,000 B.C. to 8,000 B.C. or 11,000 to 10,000 years ago), is what I'm concerned with.

The tree fits within the 6,000 year (fall of Adam) and the 11,000 year (beginning of the third day of creation, when plants were created) period, the tree being 9,550 years old.

First day of creation 13,000 to 12,000 years ago
Vegetation created (third day of creation) 11,000 to 10,000 years ago
Oldest living tree ~ 9,550 years old
Adam and Eve Fell (cast out of the Garden of Eden) ~ 6,000 years ago
Christ atones for the sins of the world ~ 2,000 years ago

Christ will rule and reign on earth for the next 1,000 years

Yes but what you are doing is ridiculous. When evidence shows up that seems to jive with your imaginary time line you go “aha, see I told you so”. But when you are confronted with the vast amounts of evidence that conflict with your time line then up come the blinders. Yes I understand that there are many things on this earth that are less than 13000 years old (and many trees and plants that are less than 9000 years old), but there are many things that are much much older. The earth itself is around 4.5 billion years old.

 

[FFH]

What I want to know FFH, is where you get the idea that the Earth is 13,000 years old. If you say that you get it because you consider the creation to have taken 7000 years (1000 years for each day), I'm afraid I'm going to have to insist that you reread the Book of Abraham.

Abraham 3: 4
And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to its times and seasons in the revolutions thereof; that one revolution was a day unto the Lord, after his manner of reckoning, it being one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that (EARTH) whereon thou (ABRAHAM) standest. This is the reckoning of the Lord’s time, according to the reckoning of Kolob.

I inserted (EARTH) and (ABRAHAM) for better clarification as to what this scripture is referring to.

Kolob is nearest to the planet where God dwells, and the time is the same, which is a ratio of 1 day (God's planet/time) to 1000 years (our planet/time).

This scripture reinforces this teaching.

2 Peter 3: 8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[Tiberius]

I find it interesting that you remain with this position despite so many of your claims being thoroughly refuted by me.

Or is this a thread for you to just preach what you have already decided is true?

 

[Don Penguinoini]

I just dont understand how you believe this FFH. Because you are intelligent. But i just don't get it. There are children who know that if someone told them that the earth is 13,000 years old they would laugh. You have got to seriously stop that. Believeing that earth is 13,000 years old is stupid. I would rather believe that earth is much older and not believe in god. I really am stunned here.

 

[FFH]

I just dont understand how you believe this FFH. Because you are intelligent. But i just don't get it. There are children who know that if someone told them that the earth is 13,000 years old they would laugh. You have got to seriously stop that. Believeing that earth is 13,000 years old is stupid. I would rather believe that earth is much older and not believe in god. I really am stunned here.

Our mortal brains are tools in which our spirits use to discern and discover all truths

Our brains and spirits work together to discover the mysteries of God.

Think with your heart and mind and spirit.

 

[fantome profane]

But to truly do justice to the creationist position you must not only think with your heart, but also listen with your elbows, and of course speak out of your rectum.

 

[FFH]

Niagra Falls has been eroding the canyon wall (flowing) for about 12,000 years, according to geologists.

To say that the earth has been through several ice ages would still not explain the short 12,000 year erosion time span of the Niagra river canyon wall. The earth is proposed to be millions or billions of years old by evolutionists, if that were the case, then for millions or billions of years the earth had to have been frozen for all of that time, minus a total of 12,000 years.

The Niagara River is a connecting channel between two Great Lakes, Erie and Ontario.

According to park geologists, Niagara Falls has moved back 7 miles in 12,500 years from the canyon rim where it started eroding

Source

There is a rim from which the river began eroding from, in which many believe is an indication of the starting point of creation, when the river began eroding the rim until the present day...

Could this be an accurate way to date the earth? Many will say no way, it's just the result of a 40 million year old glacier which started to melt 12,500 years ago....

First 1,000 year period of creation (starts 11,000 BC) 13,000 years ago
Earth was without form and void
Water was upon the whole face of the earth
Light created

Second 1,000 year period starts 10,000 BC (12,000 years ago)
Firmament/heavens/skies created
Waters divided between earth and the firmament/heavens/skies
Rains start falling and Rivers start flowing

Third 1,000 year period starts 9,000 BC (11,000 years ago)
Land and waters divided
Dry land appears and seas form
Plants and trees of all kinds created

Fourth 1,000 year period starts 8,000 BC (10,000 years ago)
Sun, moon and stars created
Day and night begins

Fifth 1,000 year period starts 7,000 BC
All creatures of the sea and skies created

Sixth 1,000 year period starts 6,000 BC
All creatures of the land created
Adam and Eve created

Seventh 1,000 year period starts 5,000 BC
God rested from all his labors
Adam and Eve commanded not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil

4,000 B.C. (6,000 years ago)
Adam and Eve fell

33 B.C. (2,000 years ago)
Christ dies for the world's sins

2,000 A.D.
Christ begins to prepare the earth and it's inhabitants for his 1,000 year reign

First day of creation (waters upon the face of the earth) 13,000 to 12,000 years ago
Niagra Falls 12,500 years old
Water starts flowing 12,000 years ago
Vegetation created (third day of creation) 11,000 to 10,000 years ago
Oldest living tree ~ 9,550 years old
Adam and Eve Fell (cast out of the Garden of Eden) ~ 6,000 years ago
Christ atones for the sins of the world ~ 2,000 years ago

Christ will rule and reign on earth for the next 1,000 years

 

[McBell]

Niagra Falls has been eroding the canyon wall (flowing) for about 12,000 years, according to geologists.

To say that the earth has been through several ice ages would still not explain the short 12,000 year erosion time span of the Niagra river canyon wall. The earth is proposed to be millions or billions of years old by evolutionists, if that were the case, then for millions or billions of years the earth had to have been frozen for all of that time, minus a total of 12,000 years.

The Niagara River is a connecting channel between two Great Lakes, Erie and Ontario.

According to park geologists, Niagara Falls has moved back 7 miles in 12,500 years from the canyon rim where it started eroding

Source

There is a rim from which the river began eroding from, in which many believe is an indication of the starting point of creation, when the river began eroding the rim until the present day...

Could this be an accurate way to date the earth? Many will say no way, it's just the result of a 40 million year old glacier which started to melt 12,500 years ago....

First 1,000 year period of creation (starts 11,000 BC) 13,000 years ago
Earth was without form and void
Water was upon the whole face of the earth
Light created

Second 1,000 year period starts 10,000 BC (12,000 years ago)
Firmament/heavens/skies created
Waters divided between earth and the firmament/heavens/skies
Rains start falling and Rivers start flowing

Third 1,000 year period starts 9,000 BC (11,000 years ago)
Land and waters divided
Dry land appears and seas form
Plants and trees of all kinds created

Fourth 1,000 year period starts 8,000 BC (10,000 years ago)
Sun, moon and stars created
Day and night begins

Fifth 1,000 year period starts 7,000 BC
All creatures of the sea and skies created

Sixth 1,000 year period starts 6,000 BC
All creatures of the land created
Adam and Eve created

Seventh 1,000 year period starts 5,000 BC
God rested from all his labors
Adam and Eve commanded not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil

4,000 B.C. (6,000 years ago)
Adam and Eve fell

33 B.C. (2,000 years ago)
Christ dies for the world's sins

2,000 A.D.
Christ begins to prepare the earth and it's inhabitants for his 1,000 year reign

First day of creation (waters upon the face of the earth) 13,000 to 12,000 years ago
Niagra Falls 12,500 years old
Water starts flowing 12,000 years ago
Vegetation created (third day of creation) 11,000 to 10,000 years ago
Oldest living tree ~ 9,550 years old
Adam and Eve Fell (cast out of the Garden of Eden) ~ 6,000 years ago
Christ atones for the sins of the world ~ 2,000 years ago

Christ will rule and reign on earth for the next 1,000 years

You make the assumption that the Niagara falls was there since the beginning.

Perhaps you should see what was there BEFORE the falls?
Rivers are notorious for changing their routes...
Of course, this is assuming you are not merely grasping at the straw this gives you .........

 

[McBell]

To guess at the age of the Universe is not just as simple a thing as a few well placed biblical verses
Where is your empirical proove,
Scientific
and Logical
we are not in in need of another fantastic journey we need proof

The Niagara falls bit is merely a regurgitation that has already been thoroughly refuted.
In this very thread, if memory serves.

 

[Draka]

Quite honestly, if someone I personally knew were to spout this type of nonsense, I'm pretty sure they'd be commited for psychiatric evaluation. You don't seriously talk about this type of verifiable rubbish to anyone in person do you FFH? You'd seriously jeopardize your freedom around most people.

 

[madhatter85]

I for one agree with FFH on parts of his theory,

though i believe the earth in it's temporal state is to Last 7,000 Years where Christ was born in the meridian of Time; I don't believe that the earth was created in 7 1000 year incriments.

i think it took many eons of plannign and preparation in order to organize this word into what it is.

the Term "Day" in the bible as we know it comes from a hebrew word that means "a space of time from beginning to end" and translates into our current languages as "day" being the closest term.

also the word "create" was translated from a hebrew word that also meant to "organize"

I believe the earth to have been organized using the materials already in existence rather than created from "nothing". this seems more logical to me.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Our mortal brains are tools in which our spirits use to discern and discover all truths

Our brains and spirits work together to discover the mysteries of God.

Think with your heart and mind and spirit.

It certainly has never told me that earth is 13,000 years old. That is some heart mind and spirit,

 

[silvermoon383]

I guess I needed to be a bit more clear...

Reread Abraham 4.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

As soon as i find that Book of Abraham! Now, where is it?

P.S. I know you were not directing this to me, but i could not resist.

 

[silvermoon383]

Right here: Scriptures

It's under the Pearl of Great Price.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

For a moment, i though it said Pearl Of Great Rice. !