The earth is 13,000 years old and it is soon to be renewed when Christ comes

[Jayhawker Soule]

Sounds ridiculous ????? Well that's just how evolution theories sound to me.

Actually, I suspect that evolution theories do not sound ridiculous to you but, rather, heretical.

 

[michel]

The Location of the Garden of Eden

Trust you guys to claim the garden of Eden was on your continent...........

I am tempted to think that whole of the Earth was - and is - the garden of Eden.....only now it is called heaven; just because we can't see it doesn't mean that it isn't there.

 

[Popeyesays]

The Bible is not meant to be an historical record, if it were such then more than the Hebrews would have their point of view represented.

As an historical record the Bible is full of error caused by a single point of view.

As metaphor for Creation and the Progress of Man, the Bible is very good. To try to think of its every statement as scientific fact is to be superstitious.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Smoke]

Trust you guys to claim the garden of Eden was on your continent...........

Right continent, wrong state. I was born 165 miles from the Garden of Eden, where the Almighty created humankind on the banks of the Apalachicola River in Liberty County, Florida.

​

 

[Dirty Penguin]

See this page: Date of the flood

You really need to stay off that site. It's doing you no good.

Your whole idea of the earth being one continent and it being seperated like it is now over a "short" period of time would have been devastating to this planet. You said to some one else here that they didn't have any proof that the continents took a gazillion years to seperate they way they have....then please give us scientific evidence that over the past 13,000 years the continents have shifted the way they have.

It takes WAY more than 13,000 years for them to do that. The continents are still moving. What qualified scientist can you refer to, to back up your claims are you taking this on faith.

I'm reading that the majority of the LDS don't even agree with your young earth theory.

Do some more real research before you post. Scientist CAN and HAVE been charting the movements (Continental Drifts) for a while and have raw "testable" data available.

Moving Continents: Images of Continental Drift

Magnetic Reversals and Moving Continents

NOVA Online/Cracking the Ice Age/Hot Science: Continents on the Move/Answer 2

Chew on these for a minute and tell me what you got.

 

[FFH]

Trust you guys to claim the garden of Eden was on your continent...........

I am tempted to think that whole of the Earth was - and is - the garden of Eden.....only now it is called heaven; just because we can't see it doesn't mean that it isn't there.

You didn't read the rest of that thread, in which I said that the whole earth could have been the Garden of Eden. or at least a paradise, and most likely was, but the part of the Garden of Eden, where Adam and Eve lived, was in North America/Missouri...

 

[FFH]

Okay so in place of proof, what lead you to this belief as opposed to another? Is it a feeling of rightness (Can't think of how else to put it) or is there something else?

I feeling of peace determines what is right and what is wrong.

If I have no peace about any given theory, then i reject it, as I'm researching it/studying it out...

Study both sides of this issue then see which side gives peace to the mind and understanding beyond the natural realm of things...

I can actually see what happened in most cases, as pure knowledge floods my mind at times, when pondering these things...

Very very very few creationists have my view of a 13,000 year old earth, but rather a 6,000 year old earth, which is Biblically incorrect...

 

[FFH]

Right continent, wrong state. I was born 165 miles from the Garden of Eden, where the Almighty created humankind on the banks of the Apalachicola River in Liberty County, Florida.

I have taken into account that the Garden could have stretched forth into all of North America and/or the world...



The Garden of Eden could have spanned over all areas of the earth, when the continents were one...

Most likely the Garden of Eden was contained within North America, where Adam and Eve lived,

Here's a possible scenario I drew up in that thread....The Location of the Garden of Eden

Terms in parenthesis added by FFH

Genesis 2: 10-14

10- And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11- The name of the first is Pison that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah (America), where there is gold;

12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia (Africa).

14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel (Tigris) that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria (Asia). And the fourth river is Euphrates (Europe)

The Location of Garden of Eden

 

[madhatter85]

In the D&C it states that the planet closest to the place where god dwells is named Kolob, and that one planetary Day for Kolob is 1000 Years here on earth.

It was prophesied that Christ will come in the Meridian of Time (transtion from BC to AD) then if you take that into consideration and if the life expectancy of our planet is indeed 7000 Years, and Christ came in the center, life woul have begun at 3500 B.C. And then 3500 AD is when the great judgement will come to pass.

Now subtract a thousand years for the millenium of peace where christ will reign. you have 2500 AD.

there have also been prophesies about those days being shotened because of the wickedness of man and such, though i don't remember where it is or where to look, maybe FFH knows?

anyways, if the earth is nearly 13000 years old (Which i do believe) we still have no idea when christ will come but will come before 2500 A.D.

 

[SoyLeche]

In the D&C it states that the planet closest to the place where god dwells is named Kolob, and that one planetary Day for Kolob is 1000 Years here on earth.

It was prophesied that Christ will come in the Meridian of Time (transtion from BC to AD) then if you take that into consideration and if the life expectancy of our planet is indeed 7000 Years, and Christ came in the center, life woul have begun at 3500 B.C. And then 3500 AD is when the great judgement will come to pass.

Now subtract a thousand years for the millenium of peace where christ will reign. you have 2500 AD.

there have also been prophesies about those days being shotened because of the wickedness of man and such, though i don't remember where it is or where to look, maybe FFH knows?

anyways, if the earth is nearly 13000 years old (Which i do believe) we still have no idea when christ will come but will come before 2500 A.D.

I know I've posted this before (maybe even in this thread), but you might enjoy this article by Hugh Nibley: Before Adam - Maxwell Institute Papers

Here's a little excerpt:

The questions most commonly asked are: When did it happen? How long did it take? Our texts make it very clear that we are not to measure the time and periods involved by our chronometers and calendars. Until Adam underwent that fatal change of habitat, body chemistry, diet, and psyche that went with the Fall, nothing is to be measured in our years, "for the Gods had not appointed unto Adam his reckoning." (Abraham 5:13.) Until then, time is measured from their point of view, not ours. As far as we are concerned it can be any time, and there would be no point to insisting on this again and again if all we had to do to convert their time to our time was multiply our years by 365,000. Theirs was a different time. The only numbers we are given designated the phases of periods of creation: "and this was the second time" (Abraham 4:8), "and it was the third time" (4:13), and so on. The periods are numbered but never measured. The Gods called them "days," but the text is at great pains to make clear that it was day and night from their point of view, when our time had not yet been appointed. "And the Gods called the light Day, and the darkness they called Night. And . . . from the evening until morning they called night; . . . and this was the first, or the beginning, of that which they called day and night. (Abraham 4:5.) Doctrine and Covenants 130:4–5 explains that "the reckoning of God's time, angel's time, prophet's time, and man's time [is] according to the planet on which they reside." That implies different time schemes at least. In moving from one system to another one also changes one's timing. "There are no angels who minister to this earth but those who do belong or have belonged to it. (D&C 130:5.)
"It was from morning until evening that they called day; and it was the fifth time." (Abraham 4:23.) How long is such a time? In the "fourth time," we read, "the Gods watched those things which they had ordered until they obeyed." (Abraham 4:19, 18.) That important word "until" tells us two things: (1) that they took all the time that was necessary, no matter how long it might have been, measuring the period in terms not of a terminal date but in terms of the requirements of the task; (2) "until" means up till a certain time, but not thereafter. When things were running smoothly, they were left on their own, which implies a shift from one time-scale to another. When, for example, "the Gods prepared the earth to bring forth" (Abraham 4:24), after they had prepared the waters to do the same long before, how long do you think that took? Again, the record is deliberately vague.

 

[yossarian22]

You have absolutely no proof of the continents taking a gazillion years to move...

Yes I do. The continents more very slowly, 1cm a year, meaning it wold take a ridiculously long time for the continents to separate

During the flood, the earth tilted on it's axis, the continents broke apart and were flooded by "the fountains of the deep" (the waters beneath the surface of the continents), due to the shifting of the earth's axis...

Fountains of the dep? You mean the giga tons of molten rock beneath the continents?

The continents drifted apart during the time of the flood, when the earth shifted/tilted on it's axis..

You have no proof the earth has EVER tilted on its axis. If it did, there would be rapid climate change. Also, the only way for the earth's axis to change is for the moon to disappear.
And if this happens, there sure as hell would not have been a wooden boat capable of surviving it.

Well that's just how evolution theories sound to me.

It probably sounds more like heresy to you.
Evolution makes a whole lot more sense then "A flood of water magically appeared from under the continents where lava normally is because the earth tilted suddenly on its axis.

 

[FFH]

I know I've posted this before (maybe even in this thread), but you might enjoy this article by Hugh Nibley: Before Adam - Maxwell Institute Papers

I've already refuted this in an earlier post...

Hugh has his own theories and interpretations of what scriptures actually say.....

He's a mumbler at best...

 

[FFH]

In the D&C it states that the planet closest to the place where god dwells is named Kolob, and that one planetary Day for Kolob is 1000 Years here on earth.

It was prophesied that Christ will come in the Meridian of Time (transtion from BC to AD) then if you take that into consideration and if the life expectancy of our planet is indeed 7000 Years, and Christ came in the center, life woul have begun at 3500 B.C. And then 3500 AD is when the great judgement will come to pass.

Now subtract a thousand years for the millenium of peace where christ will reign. you have 2500 AD.

there have also been prophesies about those days being shotened because of the wickedness of man and such, though i don't remember where it is or where to look, maybe FFH knows?

anyways, if the earth is nearly 13000 years old (Which i do believe) we still have no idea when christ will come but will come before 2500 A.D.

Finally someone who knows their scriptures and understands the 13,000 year old earth interpretation and that one day does indeed equal a 1000 years in ratio to where God dwells.

Can I get a witness... Amen brother...

 

[Bishka]

I've already refuted this in an earlier post...

Hugh has his own theories and interpretations of what scriptures actually say.....

He's a mumbler at best...

One our greatest minds is a 'mumbler'? Hugh Nibley was a genius, an very intelligent scholar, and he has years of research (actually research) behind his statements, you do not. Someday, I do hope you get some sense knocked into that head of yours.

 

[FFH]

One our greatest minds is a 'mumbler'?

Yes, and he teaches many doctrines of men, mingled with scripture..

Someday, I do hope you get some sense knocked into that head of yours.

Sense enough to read scriptures myself and find out what they really say...

 

[Bishka]

Yes, and teaches many doctrines of men, mingled with scripture..

As do you, so keep your trap shut and let someone who has actually done real scientific research on the subject explain it. If it was really so damaging to our spiritual lives, they wouldn't sell his books at Deseret Book or the Distribution Center. Give me a break.

 

[FFH]

keep your trap .

Again, so profound, I'll need to ponder that...

let someone who has actually done real scientific research on the subject explain it

I'll say it again, Hugh is a mumbler...with his own theories and interpretations of what he supposedly thinks many scriptures are saying..

A 13,000 year old earth is a basic time frame, plus or minues whatever amount of years...

Scriptures don't need interpretations, for the most part they are extremely straight forward, just need a little help from the spirit sometimes...

 

[Bishka]

Hugh is a mumbler...with his own theories and interpretations of what he supposedly thinks many scriptures are saying..

Like I've said, they would not sell his books at the Distribution Center, nor teach it at Church-run schools if it was so spiritually damaging. If it was so bad, they would be saying something about it.

 

[SoyLeche]

I've already refuted this in an earlier post...

Hugh has his own theories and interpretations of what scriptures actually say.....

He's a mumbler at best...

Yeah, I know what you think of it. Maybe that's why I addressed the post to someone else.

And "refuted" is too strong a word. "Put fingers in ear and said 'La La La - I'm not listening'" is a bit closer

 

[SoyLeche]

A 13,000 year old earth is a basic time frame, plus or minues whatever amount of years...

Good - we are on the same track now. 13,000 years, plus or minus a few billion, and we've got it