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The earth is 13,000 years old and it is soon to be renewed when Christ comes

gnostic

The Lost One
Thank you. :)

The orange colour looks ok, if I am only reading a line or 2; it is only when I tried to read a lot of text, then it become a strain to my eyes. You can use it if you want, because I can't stop you from using; it would just mean that I would skip your post/reply if they are long.
 

gmelrod

Resident Heritic
I you are just going to post links I will add one in return

http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/bartelt_dissertation_on_hovind_thesis.htm


By the way the man in that video is now in jail for tax evasion. I guess he failed to render unto Ceaser. While this does not directly invalidate his claims it does cast doubt on to the quality of his charecter and the extent to which he can be trusted to conduct an honest debate. FFH have you looked into any of the many sights which claim to debunk Kent Hovind's work?
 

Zeno

Member
No, I believe that many or most scientists, who believe the earth to be millions, or billions of years old, are presenting theories based on evolutionary beliefs or influences and other bias'.. I would do my own research and see what was best for my particular situation...

Can you give me specific examples of scientists benefiting monetarily to a significant extent because 40% of citizens in the U.S. believe evolution is correct? Because I can think of just a few religious examples who benefit from the other 60%.

What do scientists gain from fooling everyone? I mean maybe you think Richard Dawkins wants to sell a lot of books - but about about the countless other scientists who support evolution and aren't publishing books?

What is a clear reason for their supposed biases? You don't just think they are biased due to lack of education or lack of observing the facts do you?
 

FFH

Veteran Member
By the way the man in that video is now in jail for tax evasion
I know..
FFH have you looked into any of the many sights which claim to debunk Kent Hovind's work?
I can discern theories and facts without having to refer to any links concerning this.

We've spent our lives hearing evolutionists out, let's hear another point of view for a change..

Change is good...
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Can you give me specific examples of scientists benefiting monetarily to a significant extent because 40% of citizens in the U.S. believe evolution is correct? Because I can think of just a few religious examples who benefit from the other 60%.

What do scientists gain from fooling everyone? I mean maybe you think Richard Dawkins wants to sell a lot of books - but about about the countless other scientists who support evolution and aren't publishing books?

What is a clear reason for their supposed biases? You don't just think they are biased due to lack of education or lack of observing the facts do you?
Good question.

You don't want to hear my answer.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
if he did not want to hear why would he ask the question?
Okay, there are other reasons other than money, which motivates us to do what we do, but money is probably the biggest motivator..

Power, position or recognition is another strong motivator...

Just found out today that Charles Darwin only had a thoelogical degree. He was studying to be a preacher. Guess he got sidetracked.
 

Zeno

Member
Okay, there are other reasons other than money, which motivates us to do what we do, but money is probably the biggest motivator..

Power, position or recognition is another strong motivator...

Just found out today that Charles Darwin's only had a thoelogical degree. He was studying to be a preacher. Guess he got sidetracked.

I posed 3 questions though. You half-way answered the first one - by specific I mean individual instances of scientists gaining power, position, or money due to some group of people thinking evolution is true.
 

gmelrod

Resident Heritic
Just found out today that Charles Darwin's only had a thoelogical degree. He was studying to be a preacher. Guess he got sidetracked.


Actualy he was forced to study that. He first studied medicine but was put off by the brutality of surgery. He expresed a great interest in natuaral history and did well inscience classes. He graduaed 10th out of a class of 178. So he was a man of some native inteligence. Just because you do not have a degree in somthing does not mean you are not qualified to talk about somthing or persue scholarship. I have a BA in philosophy with a minor in european history. What's your degree, since you seem to need one to be right. (Jesus never went to college. Aristotle did not have a phd)
 

gmelrod

Resident Heritic
I posed 3 questions though. You half-way answered the first one - by specific I mean individual instances of scientists gaining power, position, or money due to some group of people thinking evolution is true.

I know the Doctor Otto Octavious has done quite well for himself. Well until recently. Most presidents of universities have their degrees in administration/ poly sci/ or Law.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
I've heard just about everything....so try me.
Trust me you don't really want to know my thoughts as to why I believe people do what they do. It's too religiously biased and would just serve to drive a deeper wedge between myself and those on the fourm who oppose creationists.

I realize there are people lying on both sides of this issue, thats why I started this thread to show that 6,000 year creationists are wrong.

So I'm not on their side, but borrow many of their theories which I beleive are true...

I don't believe everything I hear,only that which passes my thorough inspection, based on how I understand the the various sciences.

I'm a thinker... I hear both sides out then I study it out in my mind until I come to a logical conclusion...

Okay, basically I believe there are two opposing forces, good and evil, with varying degrees of good and evil on the spectrum...

There are good and evil forces working behind the scenes, in the spirit realm...

Truth and lies fed to us by men. The only way to discern the truth from the lies is to rely on the peaceful feelings of the Spirit. Whenever I feel extreme peace, I know I'm headed in the right direction with my studies. Conversely, whenever I feel anxiety, I know I'm headed in the wrong direction in my academic pursuits...

There are good an evil forces working behind the scenes in the spirit realm/4th dimmension of this life. Unseen forces both good and bad begging for our attention.

I've personally seen an evil entity as well as a good entity. Both appeared as beautiful human beings....

The evil entity was male and the good entity was female.. I instantly felt their respective feelings and saw their states of existance...humans just like us with perfect bodies...

I felt horror unspeakable, to some degree, and joy unspeakable, to some degree. Both experiences lasted only a fraction of a second. That's all anyone can handle while being in the mortal body...

I can discern truth from lies almost effortlessly...the same applies with good and evil...
 

Papersock

Lucid Dreamer
FFH,
I may not necessarily agree with your methods, but that was very informative and helpful in understanding how you think and come to your conclusions.
 

Zeno

Member
Trust me you don't really want to know my thoughts as to why I believe people do what they do. It's too religiously biased and would just serve to drive a deeper wedge between myself and those on the fourm who oppose creationists.

I realize there are people lying on both sides of this issue, thats why I started this thread to show that 6,000 year creationists are wrong.

So I'm not on their side, but borrow many of their theories which I beleive are true...

I believe everything I hear, but only that which passes my thorough inspection, based on how I understand the the various sciences.

I'm a thinker... I hear both sides out then I study it out in my mind until I come to a logical conclusion...

Okay, basically I believe there are two opposing forces, good and evil, with varying degrees of good and evil on the spectrum...

There are good and evil forces working behind the scenes, in the spirit realm...

Truth and lies fed to us by men. The only way to discern the truth from the lies is to rely on the peaceful feelings of the Spirit. Whenever I feel extreme peace, I know I'm headed in the right direction with my studies. Conversely, whenever I feel anxiety, I know I'm headed in the wrong direction in my academic pursuits...

There are good an evil forces working behind the scenes in the spirit realm/4th dimmension of this life. Unseen forces both good and bad begging for our attention.

I've personally seen an evil entity as well as a good entity. Both appeared as beautiful human beings....

The evil entity was male and the good entity was female.. I instantly felt their respective feelings and saw their state of existance...humans just like us with perfect bodies...

I felt horror unspeakable, to some degree, and joy unspeakable, to some degree. Both experiences laste only a fraction of a second. That's all anyone can handle while being in the mortal body...

I can discern truth from lies almost effortlessly...the same applies with good and evil...

And that's fine. If something helps you get through the day, it's not my place to say you're not allowed. I mean if you concede that your personal feelings of a spiritual presence and ability to discern good from evil are not testable and cannot be demonstrated in an objective manner, then I'm glad you still want to get along with others on the forum.
 

gmelrod

Resident Heritic
Truth and lies fed to us by men. The only way to discern the truth from the lies is to rely on the peaceful feelings of the Spirit. Whenever I feel extreme peace, I know I'm headed in the right direction with my studies. Conversely, whenever I feel anxiety, I know I'm headed in the wrong direction in my academic pursuits...

I can discern truth from lies almost effortlessly...the same applies with good and evil...

What would you say if I told you that I used the same maethod but came up with answers diffrent then you. Also this method is not logical. Could your anxiety not be the result of fear in the colapse of your world view. If you find that you are wrong you could find your whole way of thinking about the wordl in shambles. So it is possible that your anxious feelings are not caused by the holy spirit but because they do not fit into your preexisting conceptions of reality and truth. If you are feeling anxious right now could it be because I am right and you fear the implications? If you took anti anxiety medication and then reexamined some statements wouldn't the truth change. lastly you cannot judge scientific evidence using non-scientific methods. They are diffrent types of knowledge and neither one can critique the other.
 
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