The earth is 13,000 years old and it is soon to be renewed when Christ comes

[DarkSun]

I didn't know LDS believed this! Do the guys in Bountiful know about this?

I knew that LDS believed this... I don't really believe any of it myself, but who am I to question the abundant knowledge of Joseph Smith?

 

[challupa]

I knew that LDS believed this... I don't really believe any of it myself, but who am I to question the abundant knowledge of Joseph Smith?

Joseph Smith has always been a curiosity for me. I have often wondered how LDS feels about Joseph Smith. His sanctioning of polygamy seems to have split the church so I have often wondered how the LDS members that did not sanction polygamy came to terms with not following their prophet in all ways?

 

[Beaudreaux]

Depends on who is reading it. A “skilled” reader can read just about anything they want to into the Book of Revelations.

You know, I think Revelation also mentions my uncle Louey. 10 headed monster thing. He was HELL before that first cup of coffee......

 

[Beaudreaux]

LDS doctrine states that the New Jerusalem will be built on the "American Continent" with Missouri as the center point.

And I would add, that the New Jerusalem, in Revelation, which Christ builds/prepares, will descend from the heavens and rest on the United States, with Missouri as the center point.

There is a physical building up of the New Jerusalem (Zion), which has already happened, with Salt Lake as the central point, and there is also a New Jerusalem which descends down from heaven, onto the U.S., with Missouri as the central point, when this earth returns to it's paradisiacal Terestrial immortal state, when Christ returns.

The book of Revelation mentions MISSOURI?!?!!??!?!

 

[DarkSun]

You know, I think Revelation also mentions my uncle Louey. 10 headed monster thing. He was HELL before that first cup of coffee......

Well this explains a few things. Perhaps Hell is the act of meeting up with uncle Louey before his first cup of coffee. That would explain the references to fire, burning, torture and chaos, of course.

 

[challupa]

Well this explains a few things. Perhaps Hell is the act of meeting up with uncle Louey before his first cup of coffee. That would explain the references to fire, burning, torture and chaos, of course.

Puts a whole new outlook on things...:yes:

 

[Troublemane]

Yes, I agree it will, but not in it's current fallen state.

It will soon receive it's former paradisiacal glory, as it was in the days of Adam and Eve.

With all due respect, I certainly hope NOT!---The Adamic paradise was pre-intellectual, back before we had a conscience. When we were just primitive animals. It was only after the snake came along and gave us an intellect (stole fire from heaven, etc.) that we suddenly knew good from evil. And thats of course when our troubles began...we had to start thinking for ourselves. We became aware of our own mortality (thus we became mortal).

If we returned to the "Garden of Eden", it would have to be after a total annihilation of the human species. Or a complete lobotomization of humanity....Maybe that'll happen naturally, as TV shows keep gettin dumber. IDK, its just a guess. :angel2:

 

[Draka]

Missouri the center of Zion huh? Dang. Just when Iowa was finally getting all the permits to fence Missouri completely in as our new zoo.

 

[FFH]

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Map from My Kingdom Shall Roll Forth, Reading in Church History, p.2, 1980.
published by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints​

Joseph Smith declared the location of the garden of Eden during a trip through Missouri in 1831

Historian Fawn Brodie commented:
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"Shortly after his arrival Joseph rowed up the Grand River to Lyman Wight’s ferry to explore land on the north bank in Daviess County [Missouri]. On a high bluff overlooking the river someone in the party discovered the ruins of what seemed to be an altar and excitedly led the prophet to it. After examining it Joseph stood silent, his eyes sweeping over the prairie that rolled away beneath him....The glory of the scene made Joseph heady as with new wine. 'This is the valley of God in which Adam blessed his children,' he said, 'and upon this very altar Adam himself offered up sacrifices to Jehovah....we will lay out a city which shall be called Adam-ondi-Ahman. Here Adam, the Ancient of Days, shall come to visit his people....' " (No Man Knows My History: the life of Joseph Smith, by Fawn Brodie, Random House, 1971, p. 211\

LDS Prophet/President of the LDS church, Wilford Woodruff, writing in his journal on March 30, 1873, commented:​

"Again Presdent Young said Joseph the Prophet told me that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson Co Missouri, & when Adam was driven out of the garden of Eden He went about 40 miles to the Place which we Named Adam Ondi Ahman, & there built an Altar of Stone & offered Sacrifize. That Altar remains to this day. I saw it as Adam left it as did many others, & through all the revolutions of the world that Altar had not been disturbed. Joseph also said that when the City of Enoch fled & was translated it was whare the gulf of Mexico now is. It left that gulf a body of water."(Waiting for World's End: The Diaries of Wilford Woodruff, edited by Susan Staker, Signature Books, 1993, p. 305)​

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Picture from Joseph Smith Begins His Work Volume 1​

Oliver B. Huntington, a faithful Mormon, wrote an article on Adam-ondi-Ahman for the LDS magazine Juvenile Instructor:​

"Adam's Altar, which was mentioned, I have visited many times. I sat upon the wall of stone and reflected upon the scenes that had taken place thousands of years ago right where I was. There were the rocks that Father Adam used.... My father's house stood about two hundred and fifty yards from that altar, on the bottom land of Grand River, in the valley of Adam-on-Diahman." (Juvenile Instructor, Nov. 15, 1895, p. 700-701)​

ADAM-ONDI-AHMAN​

LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie gives this information about the location of the Garden of Eden:

Adam was the first man of all men; Ahman is one of the names by which God was known to Adam. Adam-ondi-Ahman, a name carried over from the pure Adamic language into English, is one for which we have not been given a revealed, literal translation. As near as we can judge -- and this view comes down from the early brethren who associated with the Prophet Joseph Smith, who was the first one to use the name in this dispensation -- Adam-ondi-Ahman means the place or land of God where Adam dwelt.​

Apparently the area included was a large one; at least, the revelations speak of the land, the valley, and the mountains of Adam-ondi-Ahman. They tell us that Christ himself "established the foundations of Adam-ondi-Ahman" (D. & C. 78:15-16), and that it included the place now known as Spring Hill, Daviess County, Missouri. (D. & C. 116.)​

Far West, Missouri, also appears to be included in the land of Adam-ondi-Ahman. On April 17, 1838, the Lord commanded his saints to assemble at Far West, which place, he said, was holy ground; and there they were to build a city. (D. & C. 115.) By July 8 of that year, William Marks and Newel K. Whitney had not left their temporal concerns in Kirtland, Ohio, and were not assembling with the saints coming to Zion. In rebuking them the Lord said this: "Is there not room enough on the mountains of Adam-ondi-Ahman, and on the plains of Olaha Shinehah, or the land where Adam dwelt, that you should covet that which is but the drop, and neglect the more weighty matters? Therefore, come up hither unto the land of my people, even Zion."​

William Marks was told that he was to "preside in the midst of my people in the city of Far West," and Newel K. Whitney was told to "come up to the land of Adam-ondi-Ahman, and be a bishop unto my people." (D. & C. 117.)​

The early brethren of this dispensation taught that the Garden of Eden was located in what is known to us as the land of Zion, an area for which Jackson County, Missouri, is the center place. In our popular Latter-day Saint hymn which begins, "Glorious things are sung of Zion, Enoch's city seen of old," we find William W. Phelps preserving the doctrine that "In Adam-ondi-Ahman, Zion rose where Eden was."...​

One of the greatest spiritual gatherings of all the ages took place in the Valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman some 5,000 years ago, and another gathering -- of even greater importance relative to this earth's destiny -- is soon to take place in that same location. Our revelations recite:​

"Three years previous to the death of Adam, he called Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, and Methuselah who were all high priests, with the residue of his posterity who were righteous, into the valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman and there bestowed upon them his last blessing.​

"And the Lord appeared unto them, and they rose up and blessed Adam, and called him Michael, the prince, the archangel. And the Lord administered comfort unto Adam, and said unto him: I have set thee to be at the head; a multitude of nations shall come of thee, and thou art a prince over them forever. And Adam stood up in the midst of the congregation; and, notwithstanding he was bowed down with age, being fill of the Holy Ghost, predicted whatsoever should befall his posterity unto the latest generation." (D. & C. 107:53-56.) (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 19-20)​

At that great gathering Adam offered sacrifices on an altar built for the purpose. A remnant of that very altar remained on the spot down through the ages. On May 19, 1838, Joseph Smith and a number of his associates stood on the remainder of the pile of stones at a place called Spring Hill, Daviess County, Missouri. There the Prophet taught them that Adam again would visit in the Valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman, holding a great council as a prelude to the great and dreadful day of the Lord. (Mediation and Atonement pp. 69-70.) At this council, all who have held keys of authority will give an accounting of their stewardship to Adam. Christ will then come, receive back the keys, and thus take one of the final steps preparatory to reigning personally upon the earth. (Dan. 7:9-14; Teachings, p. 157.) (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 21)​

 

[FFH]

LDS Apostle John A. Widtsoe gave these comments about the Garden of Eden:

Later, the Prophet designated "Spring Hill," a hill of eminence about fifty or sixty miles north and somewhat to the east of Independence, as Adam-ondi-Ahman, . . . the place where Adam shall come to visit his people, or the Ancient of Days shall sit, as spoken of by Daniel the prophet." (D. & C. 116) . . .

Since Adam called together seven generations of his descendants at Adam-ondi-Ahman, it can well be believed that there was his old homestead. If so, the Garden of Eden was probably not far distant, for it was the entrance at the east of the Garden which was closed against them at the time of the "fall." (Genesis 3:24) In fact, it has been commonly understood among the Latter-day Saints, from the teachings of the Prophet, that the temple was to be built in or near the location of the Garden of Eden. That the Prophet actually taught that the Garden of Eden was in or near Independence, Missouri, is amply testified to by many who knew and heard him. Heber C. Kimball, close associate and friend of the Prophet, said on one occasion:

The spot chosen for the Garden of Eden was Jackson County, in the state of Missouri, where Independence now stands; it was occupied in the morn of creation by Adam and his associates, who came with him for the express purpose of peopling this earth. (Journal of Discourses, 10:235)
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Brigham Young, also a close associate of the Prophet, testified similarly:​

In the beginning, after this earth was prepared for man, the Lord commenced his work upon what is now called the American continent, where the Garden of Eden was made. In the days of Noah, in the days of the Boating of the ark, he took the people to another part of the earth. (Journal of Discourses, p. 102)​

You have been both to Jerusalem and Zion, and seen both. I have not seen either, for I have never been in Jackson County. Now it is a pleasant thing to think of and to know where the Garden of Eden was. Did you ever think of it? I do not think many do, for in Jackson County was the Garden of Eden. Joseph has declared this, and I am as much bound to believe that as to believe that Joseph was a prophet of God. (Journal History, March 15, 1857)​

That is the position of the Latter-day Saints today, with respect to the much-discussed location of the Garden of Eden. Adam, after his expulsion from the Garden of Eden, lived in the vicinity of the great Missouri and Mississippi rivers. As his descendants multiplied, they would naturally settle along the fertile and climatically acceptable river valleys.When the flood came in the days of Noah, the Mississippi drainage must have increased to a tremendous volume, quite in harmony with the Biblical account. Noah's ark would be floated on the mighty, rushing waters, towards the Gulf of Mexico. With favorable winds, it would cross the Atlantic to the Eastern continents. There the human race, in its second start on earth, began to multiply and fill the earth.​

The location of the Garden of Eden in America, and at Independence, Missouri, clears up many a problem which the Bible account of Eden and its garden has left in the minds of students. (Evidences and Reconciliations, by John A. Widtsoe, p. 395-397)​

 

[Luminous]

He read it out of a hat, and then he couldn't read the same words again.
: don't worry, i watch South Park.

 

[challupa]

Okay, now, all I can say is those last couple of posts just stretched credibility to beyond what I can accept. Do the LDS really believe this? I'm not trying to be insulting here, I'm really more at a loss of words right now because I have never heard such a story before. I guess when I think about it, one story is as good as any other, but ....:help:

 

[Katzpur]

Do the LDS really believe this?

NO! Trust me, FFH is one of a kind. Very nice guy, but not at all typical of the average LDS. Thank you for asking. :yes:

 

[challupa]

NO! Trust me, FFH is one of a kind. Very nice guy, but not at all typical of the average LDS. Thank you for asking. :yes:

Okay Katzpur, thanks for the answer. I really thought I knew at least a little bit about LDS and wasn't sure how I missed something that different from what I had ever heard before. I'm sure FFH is a very nice guy, wasn't questioning that, just really confused and needing clarification. Thanks

 

[FFH]

NO! Trust me, FFH is one of a kind. Very nice guy, but not at all typical of the average LDS. Thank you for asking. :yes:

Challupa's talking about the last two posts in particular Katzpur, which I just finished posting, which are all quotes from LDS Apostles and other LDS sources.

I didn't post any of my own thoughts, in those last two posts, just LDS links/sources.

 

[FFH]

Okay, now, all I can say is those last couple of posts just stretched credibility to beyond what I can accept. Do the LDS really believe this? I'm not trying to be insulting here, I'm really more at a loss of words right now because I have never heard such a story before. I guess when I think about it, one story is as good as any other, but ....:help:

Those are quotes from past LDS Apostles and other LDS members.

This particular statement is LDS doctrine: "Jackson County, Missouri is the location of the Garden of Eden".

Challupa...ask Katzpur where we (LDS members) believe the Garden of Eden was located and most will answer "Missouri," more specifically, Jackson County, Missouri, which is what those last few posts were about.

Adam Ondi Ahman (Davies County, Missouri) is 40 miles to the north of Jackson County, Missouri (location of the Garden of Eden) and is where Adam and Eve built an altar to the Lord, after being cast out of the Garden.
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[Katzpur]

Joseph Smith has always been a curiosity for me. I have often wondered how LDS feels about Joseph Smith. His sanctioning of polygamy seems to have split the church so I have often wondered how the LDS members that did not sanction polygamy came to terms with not following their prophet in all ways?

Well, that would be a great topic for another thread. Just not this one.

 

[FFH]

LDS Prophet/President of the LDS church, Wilford Woodruff, writing in his journal on March 30, 1873, commented: ​

"Again Presdent Young said Joseph the Prophet told me that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson Co Missouri, & when Adam was driven out of the garden of Eden He went about 40 miles to the Place which we Named Adam Ondi Ahman, & there built an Altar of Stone & offered Sacrifize. That Altar remains to this day. I saw it as Adam left it as did many others, & through all the revolutions of the world that Altar had not been disturbed. Joseph also said that when the City of Enoch fled & was translated it was whare the gulf of Mexico now is. It left that gulf a body of water." (Waiting for World's End: The Diaries of Wilford Woodruff, edited by Susan Staker, Signature Books, 1993, p. 305)​

 

[Sententia]

LDS Prophet/President of the LDS church, Wilford Woodruff, writing in his journal on March 30, 1873, commented: ​

"Again Presdent Young said Joseph the Prophet told me that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson Co Missouri, & when Adam was driven out of the garden of Eden He went about 40 miles to the Place which we Named Adam Ondi Ahman, & there built an Altar of Stone & offered Sacrifize. That Altar remains to this day. I saw it as Adam left it as did many others, & through all the revolutions of the world that Altar had not been disturbed. Joseph also said that when the City of Enoch fled & was translated it was whare the gulf of Mexico now is. It left that gulf a body of water."(Waiting for World's End: The Diaries of Wilford Woodruff, edited by Susan Staker, Signature Books, 1993, p. 305)​

Cause Pangaea was only 13,000 years ago. Thats why it makes sense. The flood split the continents and carved the grand canyon. Billions and Millions of years are just part of a big conspiracy to hide god from the people. Satan is leading that effort. Beware Satan and his minions.

 

[McBell]

Satan is leading that effort. Beware Satan and his minions.

Satan is not leading it.
It is God testing his loyal followers.
The same as with the dinosaur bones and oil.
God put them there to make the earth look so much older as a test.