The End is near...or is it?

[sniper762]

thats YOUR interpretation, not mine. in the scripture "virgins" is described as those who have not been defiled by women.

that doesn't sond like "spiritual virginity" to me.

 

[javajo]

I'm a pan-millennialist, I believe for those who have trusted Christ, everything will pan out in the end.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

thats YOUR interpretation, not mine. in the scripture "virgins" is described as those who have not been defiled by women.
that doesn't sond like "spiritual virginity" to me.

How were the ancient Israelites defiled by women?
Wasn't it through false pagan religious worship besides literal fornication?
They were defiling themselves with beliefs and practices found in ancient Babylon. see Ezekiel chapters 7-9.
Those of Rev 14v4 do not defile themselves with the modern religious monstrosity called Babylon the Great because she is considered a religious whore.
Rev 17v1,2;18v7

Ancient Babylon dominate feature was false religious practices.
Modern Babylon [the Great] is like her ancient counterpart playing the harlot by compromising Scripture with pagan concepts and ideas besides being friends with the corrupt world.

Remember too Revelation is highly symbolic and the visions are written in very vivid word pictures that are discerned by corresponding or parallel verses and passages in connection to their meaning.
The adulterers of James 4v4 are considered adulterers because of spiritual fornication or spiritual adultery because of having friendship with the corrupt world.

 

[sniper762]

im glad that you have found serenity and juustification in your interpretation of the scriptures.
i, too have my serenity, just dont picture it to be as you do.

 

[AxisMundi]

There is a blessing promised to those who study Revelation. The Rapture is called, "The Blessed Hope of Every Believer", for there are many, who seeing the church in the first 3 chapters, then John called to Heaven in the 4th and the church absent til the end of the book, see a parallel there with other verses that tell us believers will be caught up to be with the Lord in Heaven and we will escape the wrath to come. Many Christians have great joy and great fervor for serving the Lord because we believe the time is short but that we will not go through the Tribulation.

Look, to be frank, Revelations was a contempoary commentary on teh fall of the Roman Empire that some astute clergy back in the day turned into some doomsday prophesy to keep the gullible in line, and in the religion.

It is a fear mongering theopolitical control device utilizing an almost Pavlovian reward/punishment response, nothing more.

 

[end of time]

Yes I believe the end is near

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Look, to be frank, Revelations was a contempoary commentary on teh fall of the Roman Empire that some astute clergy back in the day turned into some doomsday prophesy to keep the gullible in line, and in the religion.
It is a fear mongering theopolitical control device utilizing an almost Pavlovian reward/punishment response, nothing more.

Doom's day prophecy?

Isn't it mankind with its doom-and-gloom Doom's Day Clock with its hands set close to striking mankind's darkest midnight hour doomsday prophecy?

The churches [not Scripture] teach the earth is temporary.
Ecclesiastes [1v4 B] assures the permanent earth abides forever.
God did not create the earth in vain. -Isaiah 45v18

A revelation is a revealing. The book of Revelation is a revealing of the 'happy climax' of mankind's eternal future of being able to live forever on a beautiful paradisaic earth where only righteousness will dwell. Revelation 22v2;21v4,5

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yes I believe the end is near

The end of what is near?

Some people think it is the end of earth that is near.
Some people think it is the end of all life on earth that is near.
Are we in the end times or last days of earth, or life on earth ?
Or rather are we in the end times of all badness on earth?
The last days of all badness or evil on earth?

Psalm 92v7, 145v20; Proverbs 2vs21,22

 

[AxisMundi]

Doom's day prophecy?

Isn't it mankind with its doom-and-gloom Doom's Day Clock with its hands set close to striking mankind's darkest midnight hour doomsday prophecy?

The churches [not Scripture] teach the earth is temporary.
Ecclesiastes [1v4 B] assures the permanent earth abides forever.
God did not create the earth in vain. -Isaiah 45v18

A revelation is a revealing. The book of Revelation is a revealing of the 'happy climax' of mankind's eternal future of being able to live forever on a beautiful paradisaic earth where only righteousness will dwell. Revelation 22v2;21v4,5

1. You keep refering to this "doomsday clock". Link please.

2. The earth is indeed temproary, someday in the far distant future, our sun will die, and so will the planet. I ahve no idea what your point is here.

3. I am well aware of what "Revelations" means, as do the biblical scholors who also see what Revelations is, a contemporary commentary on the fall of Rome.

 

[PolyHedral]

1. You keep refering to this "doomsday clock". Link please.

He's talking about this.

 

[tumbleweed41]

thats YOUR interpretation, not mine. in the scripture "virgins" is described as those who have not been defiled by women.

Defiled by women?


defiled past participle, past tense of de·file (Verb)

1. Sully, mar, or spoil.
2. Desecrate or profane (something sacred).

Do women sully, mar, spoil, desecrate or profane men?

Wow.

Revelation 14:4 KJV These are they which were not defiled(emolunthēsan) with women; for they are virgins (parthenoi). These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Seems that our John of Patmos either has a very low opinion of women, or the word emolunthēsan (soiled) here (the only place in the NT it is used), is meant to describe illicit sex outside of marriage. Which is highly likely since parthenoi, as it was used at that time, did not mean a physical virgin, but rather one who has no regular qualifying sexual partner at that time . A widow with three children could be referred to as parthenoi. As could a married man who is to old to have sexual relations with his wife. Or even a woman for whom the father of her children is unknown.
Homer described a parhenos who bore three children. And no, he was not describing a physical virgin who bore three children.
It was not until the mid 2nd century BCE that parthenoi came to regularly mean a young chaste woman.

So perhaps John is referring to those 144,000 as having the same qualifications as Deacons. Being the husband of only one wife. And since according to Mark 12:25 there will be no marriage in heaven, the 144,000 would qualify as parthenoi.

 

[AxisMundi]

He's talking about this.

Oh well, now THERE'S a scientific example.

I thought that might be what he was refering to, and I see that not only was I correct, I was correct to dismiss it.

 

[sniper762]

again YOUR interpretation

i interpret it as meaning, "virgins", "those who have not had sexual intercource with a woman", literal and physical.

 

[tumbleweed41]

again YOUR interpretation

i interpret it as meaning, "virgins", "those who have not had sexual intercource with a woman", literal and physical.

Your right. How silly of me to look at the original Greek usage of words in the First Century, you know, when Revelation was written, in Greek.

Carry on....

 

[sniper762]

i think you are seeing what you are looking for

 

[waitasec]

The Christian Greek Scriptures are mainly written for our day.

Paul was also talking about being content with one's lot in life whether married, single or widowed. In other words, it is not necessary to change status in being or in becoming a Christian. Living as though not married was in connection to priorities or being unduly distracted.

:sarcastic

no my friend...paul thought the end times were going to happen in his life time. of course you are going to believe it is for our day, because it obviously never happened,,,
you really believe those letters were written for future generations and not to the jews in the jesus movement; corinthians and thessalonians etc...?

Paul’s Predictions

Paul thought that the end was near and that Jesus would return soon after he wrote these words. Philippians 4:5

2I plead with Euodia and I plead with Syntyche to agree with each other in the Lord. 3Yes, and I ask you, loyal yokefellow,[a] help these women who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
4Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! 5Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near.

is he talking to you or to Euodia and Syntyche?

Paul believes he is living in the “last days.” Hebrews 1:2
1In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

i wonder what he meant by "BUT"...this time is different?
in these last long days? 1900 yrs...and counting...
"i don't know, i have a strange feeling about this"

Paul believed that Jesus would come “in a little while, and will not tarry.” Hebrews 10:37

32Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you stood your ground in a great contest in the face of suffering. 33Sometimes you were publicly exposed to insult and persecution; at other times you stood side by side with those who were so treated. 34You sympathized with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions.

35So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. 36You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. 37For in just a very little while,
"He who is coming will come and will not delay.

did the gov't take away your posessions and put you or anyone you know in jail because of your beliefs?

In 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 Paul stated: “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: And the dead Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: And so shall we ever be with the Lord.” Paul shared the delusion, taught by Jesus, in that he expected to be snatched up bodily into heaven with other saints then living, who would, thus, never taste death. The use of “we” clearly proves as much. It is difficult to deny that Paul was certain that the end of the world was coming in the lifetime of his contemporaries.

and here is another fellow that believed the same thing...

“the time is at hand,” and that the things that he writes about in Revelation will “shortly come to pass.” Revelations 1:1-3
saying he will come “quickly.” Revelations 22:7, 12 & 20

john thinks he is living in “the last times.” He “knows” this because he sees so many antichrists around. 1 John 2:18

and says that the antichrist was already present at the time 1 John was written. 1 John 4:3

says he will come “quickly.” Revelations 3:11, 22:7, 12 & 20

Other Prophecies About Armageddon:

James thought that Jesus would return soon. James 5:8

1Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming upon you. 2Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4Look! The wages you failed to pay the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.[a] 6You have condemned and murdered innocent men, who were not opposing you.
7Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord's coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop and how patient he is for the autumn and spring rains. 8You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord's coming is near. 9Don't grumble against each other, brothers, or you will be judged. The Judge is standing at the door!

"the workmen" is he referring to my gardener...i don't know about your gardener, but mine will not come and work unless i paid him

Peter wrongly believed that he was living in the “last times” and that “the end of all things is at hand.” 1 Peter 1:20 & 4:7
how do you define the term "at hand"?
cause really it's been a long long time...

notice my signature....

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The 'immediately' of Matthew 24v29 bridges a long period of time.
So words like immediately, shortly, at hand, etc. in Scripture can mean the immediate or 'next thing to occur in a sequence' not necessarily in quick time.

The modern day great tribulation [Matt 24v21] has no opening point but the word 'immediately' at verse 29 is next in sequence or event to occur or tie in with Jesus prophecy connecting to our time frame.

 

[gzusfrk]

:yes:

again YOUR interpretation

i interpret it as meaning, "virgins", "those who have not had sexual intercource with a woman", literal and physical.

 

[waitasec]

The 'immediately' of Matthew 24v29 bridges a long period of time.
So words like immediately, shortly, at hand, etc. in Scripture can mean the immediate or 'next thing to occur in a sequence' not necessarily in quick time.

The modern day great tribulation [Matt 24v21] has no opening point but the word 'immediately' at verse 29 is next in sequence or event to occur or tie in with Jesus prophecy connecting to our time frame.

so he's was really saying
i'll be back in a sec...

 

[tumbleweed41]

Days are years, moments are millennium, and this generation is more than 80 generations.

This is why we do not use the Bible to teach math.