The End is near...or is it?

[sniper762]

BAD interpretations of biblical time format.

 

[waitasec]

The 'immediately' of Matthew 24v29 bridges a long period of time.
So words like immediately, shortly, at hand, etc. in Scripture can mean the immediate or 'next thing to occur in a sequence' not necessarily in quick time.

The modern day great tribulation [Matt 24v21] has no opening point but the word 'immediately' at verse 29 is next in sequence or event to occur or tie in with Jesus prophecy connecting to our time frame.

remember
he is quoting daniel and isaiah...and implying the prophesy was at hand.
notice jesus says, "this generation will not pass a way..."
do you think paul and the apostles misunderstood what jesus meant, as i have pointed out in the letters written by paul and john, who in fact were expecting for his return in their lifetime?
that would be the only way jesus could actually be the messiah, because he was to deliver them from the roman oppression...did you forget they witnessed the temple's destruction? the gospel of mark was written AFTER the fact where it prophesied the destruction.... hardly a prophecy really.

 

[AxisMundi]

The 'immediately' of Matthew 24v29 bridges a long period of time.
So words like immediately, shortly, at hand, etc. in Scripture can mean the immediate or 'next thing to occur in a sequence' not necessarily in quick time.

The modern day great tribulation [Matt 24v21] has no opening point but the word 'immediately' at verse 29 is next in sequence or event to occur or tie in with Jesus prophecy connecting to our time frame.

Apologetics at it's finest.

 

[waitasec]

Apologetics at it's finest.

i know
oy vey...

 

[Renji]

My question is this-Do the current events really correspond with end times prophecy as laid out in the Bible? I don't really care if you believe it's true or not, but if you have a good knowledge of the Bible and it's end times prophecy I'd like to hear from you.As far as I can see, Christians since the time of Christ have believed that the end is near. Is there any reason to think that the current events are more indicative of end times than any other time in history?

Maybe there's just a lot of people who overlooked the (or their) scripture, focusing on the end of times(and its signs) instead of paying more attention in the more important matters and doing something to solve problems that is happening in the present.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Maybe there's just a lot of people who overlooked the (or their) scripture, focusing on the end of times(and its signs) instead of paying more attention in the more important matters and doing something to solve problems that is happening in the present.

Indeed. It seems that some focus so much attention on predicting the 'end times' that they are ignoring the present.

What is it, as a believer, that one must do differently if the end is near than if it is not?

 

[Renji]

What is it, as a believer, that one must do differently if the end is near than if it is not?

Maybe they're thinking that it is like a "last minute Christmas shopping" (there will be more discounts)?

 

[BIG D]

On another forum that I frequent(non-religious) there was a discussion going on about the current events in the middle east,particularily regarding Israel. Anyway,quite a few of the posters believe this is end times prophecy manifesting itself. My question is this-Do the current events really correspond with end times prophecy as laid out in the Bible? I don't really care if you believe it's true or not, but if you have a good knowledge of the Bible and it's end times prophecy I'd like to hear from you.
As far as I can see, Christians since the time of Christ have believed that the end is near. Is there any reason to think that the current events are more indicative of end times than any other time in history? It's been a while since I read the Bible,but from what I recall there are still many things left undone for the prophecies to be considered fulfilled. I think sometimes people see doom and gloom around them and think it's unprecedented and must therefore indicate some sort of impending apocalypse,but so far I'm not convinced.

there's been NO change AT ALL with humans/world since the supposed coming of jesus 2000 years ago...why would you think there is going to be an 'END'??..in fact, we had the greatest [[if you can measure evilness]]'evil' happen 1939-1945...we've had numerous genocides/etc. since THEN...

 

[URAVIP2ME]

there's been NO change AT ALL with humans/world since the supposed coming of jesus 2000 years ago...why would you think there is going to be an 'END'??..in fact, we had the greatest [[if you can measure evilness]]'evil' happen 1939-1945...we've had numerous genocides/etc. since THEN...

Interesting that you should mention the war years ^above^.
Do you think there could be a connection to the world war years with Rev. 12 vs9,12?
Please notice Satan was cast out of heaven, and then notice after Satan is ousted from the heavens that there is 'woe' on earth.

We expect there will be no change with [most] humans/ world because as foretold by the writings of 2nd Timothy 3vs1-5,13 that the last days of badness on earth would be marked by critical times as a line of evidence that we are nearing the time for God to become involved in mankind's affairs.
2nd Tim describes the world's selfish distorted form of love as the opposite of the Christ-like love defined at 1st Cor 13vs4-6; John 13vs34,35.

Jesus also made sure we knew there would be an end to badness on earth by his words at Matthew 24v14, that after the good news of God's kingdom is proclaimed world wide, then will the end come of all wickedness on earth.
Psalm 92v7; 37vs11,29,38; Proverbs 2vs21,22; 10v30.

As Jesus taught us at Matthew 7 vs13-23 the majority prove false to him and are 'Christian' in name only. Chapter 25 mentions a time of separation taking place as a harvest time of separation when people will be separated. Sheep-like people will be placed, so to speak, at Jesus right hand of favor.
The rest will be destroyed by the words from Jesus mouth as described at Isaiah 11v4; Revelation 19vs11,14,15.

The living sheep or survivors will be saved alive to continue to live right into the start of Jesus peaceful 1000-year reign over earth when Jesus ushers in Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Maybe there's just a lot of people who overlooked the (or their) scripture, focusing on the end of times(and its signs) instead of paying more attention in the more important matters and doing something to solve problems that is happening in the present.

This is where having knowledge of God's kingdom in the hands of Christ Jesus comes into the picture.
Jesus gave us the illustration of the Good Samaritan showing we should all widen out in our love for others. Jesus showed we could best do this by teaching others about his Sermon on the Mount as an appeal to principles that when applied they can successfully govern our lives.
[kind of like giving a fish or teaching to fish]
The world is void of righteous principles and morality and behavior.
Jesus set the precedent for us to follow in the Golden Rule.
If all on earth were to live by the Golden Rule, how many would be arrested for not breaking that Golden Rule?

Jesus foretold [Matt 24v14; 28vs19,20] that there would be a global teaching/preaching work being done in our day. People choose if they want to listen or not. God forces no one to obey what Jesus taught.
So God has done his part if mankind would listen or obey it would solve problems. Because mankind in general does not listen then God will have to come to our rescue as Rev [11v18B] says: God will bring to ruin those ruining the earth.

So in the meantime we can tell others that Peace on Earth is coming through Jesus being king of God's kingdom, while we try to teach others to also live by Jesus Sermon on the Mount as we apply the Golden Rule in daily life.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

remember
he is quoting daniel and isaiah...and implying the prophesy was at hand.
notice jesus says, "this generation will not pass a way..."
do you think paul and the apostles misunderstood what jesus meant, as i have pointed out in the letters written by paul and john, who in fact were expecting for his return in their lifetime?
that would be the only way jesus could actually be the messiah, because he was to deliver them from the roman oppression...did you forget they witnessed the temple's destruction? the gospel of mark was written AFTER the fact where it prophesied the destruction.... hardly a prophecy really.

Matthew chapter 24 has both a 'minor' and a 'major' fulfillment.
Back in the year 70 [Matt 24vs1,2] the Roman armies proved to be God's 'ax' in going against apostate Jerusalem. That was the generation of Matt 23v36.

The generation of Matthew 24v34 is for our day or the major fulfillment of Jesus prophecy. As the Roman armies proved to be the desolation of Matthew 24v15 back in the year 70, the 'kings' or political/military world today will prove to be its modern-day counterpart.
The United Nations sees a dangerous religious climate brewing in the world. With backing the UN can be strengthened to be the modern-day 'ax' that God will use to go against the world religious sector 'queen' that has run afoul playing false to God and his Word.
-Rev 17vs2,17; 18vs7,8

 

[waitasec]

The United Nations sees a dangerous religious climate brewing in the world.

couldn't agree more with this statement

 

[thedope]

The end is always a breath away.

 

[BIG D]

Interesting that you should mention the war years ^above^.
Do you think there could be a connection to the world war years with Rev. 12 vs9,12?
Please notice Satan was cast out of heaven, and then notice after Satan is ousted from the heavens that there is 'woe' on earth.

We expect there will be no change with [most] humans/ world because as foretold by the writings of 2nd Timothy 3vs1-5,13 that the last days of badness on earth would be marked by critical times as a line of evidence that we are nearing the time for God to become involved in mankind's affairs.
2nd Tim describes the world's selfish distorted form of love as the opposite of the Christ-like love defined at 1st Cor 13vs4-6; John 13vs34,35.

Jesus also made sure we knew there would be an end to badness on earth by his words at Matthew 24v14, that after the good news of God's kingdom is proclaimed world wide, then will the end come of all wickedness on earth.
Psalm 92v7; 37vs11,29,38; Proverbs 2vs21,22; 10v30.

As Jesus taught us at Matthew 7 vs13-23 the majority prove false to him and are 'Christian' in name only. Chapter 25 mentions a time of separation taking place as a harvest time of separation when people will be separated. Sheep-like people will be placed, so to speak, at Jesus right hand of favor.
The rest will be destroyed by the words from Jesus mouth as described at Isaiah 11v4; Revelation 19vs11,14,15.

The living sheep or survivors will be saved alive to continue to live right into the start of Jesus peaceful 1000-year reign over earth when Jesus ushers in Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill.

there has been and always will be wars...that's just the way humans are....it has nothing to do with the bible...my point is, ''the world never changes''....there are no ''Revelations/end times....

 

[URAVIP2ME]

there has been and always will be wars...that's just the way humans are....it has nothing to do with the bible...my point is, ''the world never changes''....there are no ''Revelations/end times....

James [4vs1-4] explains why there has always been war in human nature.

Just because we have not seen divine intervention into mankind's affairs, does that mean there will not be?

If God does not involve himself, then mankind will ruin himself off the face of the earth. Sure there have always been wars, but now man has the capability to use war to the extent to ruin mankind and earth several times over. Can you be confident that man will not use his domination of man for such evil ends? Is the world safer today then in the past?

What about the cost $ of war today? How much longer can man successfully keep up with the cost of wars?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The end is always a breath away.

But what if you did not have to take a last breath?______

The sheep-like ones described at Matthew [25v32] do not take a last breath.
They can remain alive and keep right on living into the time of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth when even death will be no more. -Rev 21vs4,5.
Without death there will be no more last breaths.

 

[waitasec]

But what if you did not have to take a last breath?______

The sheep-like ones described at Matthew [25v32] do not take a last breath.
They can remain alive and keep right on living into the time of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth when even death will be no more. -Rev 21vs4,5.
Without death there will be no more last breaths.

but what if....

 

[URAVIP2ME]

but what if....

Are you saying what if you do take a last breath?

Then you should like the words of Romans 6v7.
Because there it says the dead are freed or acquitted from sin.

That does not mean innocent but like a governor [Christ] can pardon a person so the crime [sin] no longer sticks.

The problem still is that we can not resurrect oneself or resurrect another.
We need someone who can do that for us. Jesus can and he will.

So except for those of Matt 12v32; Hebrews 6v4-6, either we will have a resurrection to heaven or be resurrected on earth during Jesus peaceful 1000-year reign over earth with the prospect in view of living forever on a beautiful paradisaic earth as was originally offered to Adam.

 

[waitasec]

Are you saying what if you do take a last breath?

no, i'm saying your faith seems to be fueled by fear of the inevitable last breathe...

 

[PolyHedral]

Can you be confident that man will not use his domination of man for such evil ends? Is the world safer today then in the past?

Yes. MAD makes large scale war infeasible for anyone.