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The End Time Prophecy in Revelation 16:12 has been Fulfilled

cataway

cataway

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Tazarah said:
Yes, I know this. However, it isn't difficult to discern the literal from the non-literal in Revelation. What is the Euphrates river symbolic for in the book of Revelation? I'm interested in what your response will be.
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no not really . the whole book is symbolic
 
Etritonakin

Etritonakin

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Tazarah said:
The prophecies that you have posted will take place after the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are rescued from the lands of their captivities and placed back into their land (Jeremiah 30:7-11, Ezekiel 20:34-38).

First God will have to "plead" with all of the nations as well as the people who are currently in possession of the holy land so that he can judge them for wrongfully taking it and dividing it up amongst themselves (Joel 3:1-2).

JOEL 3:1-2

"1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land."
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There are many prophecies giving much detail about that time -which is actually a very short amount of time.
It will begin very suddenly -and will actually not last long (war, possession, captivity) compared to other major conflicts.

Depends which verses of the prophecies you meant in regard to "first". SOME of Judah and Jerusalem will go into captivity early on when attacked by closer neighbors ("at an instant suddenly") -though Judah will also continue to fight at Jerusalem even as greater powers fight with each other and also make their way toward the holy land to war -for land grabs and to put an end to the mid-east peace problem by force/destruction (And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh).
Those of the house of Israel (mostly in other parts of the world) will also go into captivity early on after being attacked ("suddenly at an instant") by part of those greater powers at the same time Judah is attacked. They will go into captivity (And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God) , but then also later return to the holy land as Judah did after WWII -and the two houses of Israel will be one again.

(As for you, son of man, take one stick and write on it, “Judah and those Israelites associated with it.” Then take another stick and write on it: “Joseph, Ephraim’s stick, and the whole house of Israel associated with it.” 17Join the two sticks together so they become one stick in your hand. 18When your people ask you, “Will you not tell us what you mean by all this?” 19answer them: Thus says the Lord GOD: I will take the stick of Joseph, now in Ephraim’s hand, and the tribes of Israel associated with it, and join to it the stick of Judah, making them one stick; they shall become one in my hand.)

One extremely important thing to remember at this time -before it happens -is that THINGS CAN GO A DIFFERENT WAY if people turn from evil!

Joel 2:11 And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
12 Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:
13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.
14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the Lord your God?

Jeremiah18:7At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. 11Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you,
 
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blü 2

blü 2

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cataway said:
a kingdom is simply a kind of government . there is still governments that hold dominion over people and territories
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A kingdom is a region whose head of government is a king or queen. It may be a democracy, autarchy, whatever, provided that it satisfies the test I mentioned.

Other uses of the word are only metaphorical.

And in this context, there's a very clear distinction between a kingdom and a former kingdom, the latter no longer being a kingdom.
 
Draecea

Draecea

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Tazarah said:
One of the End Time prophecies in the book of Revelation states that in the last days the Euphrates river would dry up and eastern military forces would begin to use the river as a pathway/location for military related operations.

REVELATION 16:12

"12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared."

The Euphrates river has dried up and is now being occupied by eastern military forces just as the prophecy in Revelation 16:12 predicted over 2,000 years ago.

"Iraq suffers as the euphrates river dwindles"

Iraq Suffers as the Euphrates River Dwindles

"Catastrophic drought threatens Iraq as major dams in surrounding countries cut off water to its great rivers"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-water-rivers-shortage-drought-baghdad-war-isis-a8426766.html?amp

"US Coalition claims Syrian military is building up its forces in Euphrates River Valley"

https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/art...ding-up-its-forces-in-euphrates-river-valley/

"Turkey hones in on military operation east of Euphrates river"

Turkey hones in on military operation east of Euphrates river | Ahval

"Syria: Russia deploys in bases east of Euphrates river"

Syria: Russia deploys in bases east of Euphrates River

"East of Euphrates Overcrowded with Foreign Military Bases"

East of Euphrates Overcrowded with Foreign Military Bases

"Russia-U.S. Tension in Eastern Euphrates: Causes and Trajectories"

Russia-U.S. Tension in Eastern Euphrates: Causes and Trajectories
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If I may, did the prophecies of the prior five angels also take place?
 
Wandering Monk

Wandering Monk

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Tazarah said:
The title/name that future leaders would go by in the last days has nothing to do with the fact that the prophecy clearly predicted the Euphrates river would dry up so that eastern forces would be able to use it for military purposes.
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Great, we have some meaningless titles. Wonder why God didn't actually give us the names of the leaders?
 
Tazarah

Tazarah

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blü 2 said:
Simply that if the Euphrates ran dry at any time in the past, the OP argument is not available.
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the prophecy says that the Euphrates will run dry and then begin to become occupied by forces from the east for military purposes. Have both happened before? You can't just isolate one part of the prophecy. If you're going to go by that logic then you need to prove that both parts of the prophecy have simultaneously happened before as the prophecy states.
 
Tazarah

Tazarah

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Kangaroo Feathers said:
This part of prophecy has indeed been fulfilled. The Battle of Megiddo (Armageddon) occured in 1918 and was won by the Australian Light Horse. You're a century late. Australia won (a couple of New Zealanders were hanging around, too), it's all sorted. Don't worry, as usual the elite Australian Light Horse took care of a problem everyone else thought would be the end of the world.
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Um, is this a joke? What bible are you reading?
 
Tazarah

Tazarah

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Etritonakin said:
There are many prophecies giving much detail about that time -which is actually a very short amount of time.
It will begin very suddenly -and will actually not last long (war, possession, captivity) compared to other major conflicts.

Depends which verses of the prophecies you meant in regard to "first". SOME of Judah and Jerusalem will go into captivity early on when attacked by closer neighbors ("at an instant suddenly") -though Judah will also continue to fight at Jerusalem even as greater powers fight with each other and also make their way toward the holy land to war -for land grabs and to put an end to the mid-east peace problem by force/destruction (And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh).
Those of the house of Israel (mostly in other parts of the world) will also go into captivity early on after being attacked ("suddenly at an instant") by part of those greater powers at the same time Judah is attacked. They will go into captivity (And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God) , but then also later return to the holy land as Judah did after WWII -and the two houses of Israel will be one again.

(As for you, son of man, take one stick and write on it, “Judah and those Israelites associated with it.” Then take another stick and write on it: “Joseph, Ephraim’s stick, and the whole house of Israel associated with it.” 17Join the two sticks together so they become one stick in your hand. 18When your people ask you, “Will you not tell us what you mean by all this?” 19answer them: Thus says the Lord GOD: I will take the stick of Joseph, now in Ephraim’s hand, and the tribes of Israel associated with it, and join to it the stick of Judah, making them one stick; they shall become one in my hand.)

One extremely important thing to remember at this time -before it happens -is that THINGS CAN GO A DIFFERENT WAY if people turn from evil!

Joel 2:11 And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
12 Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:
13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.
14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the Lord your God?

Jeremiah18:7At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. 11Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you,
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None of this has anything to do with the fact that the scriptures say the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob must be gathered from the lands of their captivities by God/the Messiah (Jeremiah 30:7-11) and then placed back into the holy land before the prophecies in Zechariah come to pass.
 
blü 2

blü 2

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Tazarah said:
the prophecy says that the Euphrates will run dry and then begin to become occupied by forces from the east for military purposes. Have both happened before? You can't just isolate one part of the prophecy. If you're going to go by that logic then you need to prove that both parts of the prophecy have simultaneously happened before as the prophecy states.
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It's not my job to discover the history of floods and droughts affecting the Euphrates.

However, since even a single precedent will invalidate your claim in the OP, you'll need to clear the facts up yourself.

I don't know why that point didn't occur to you, but it won't be going away.
 
Tazarah

Tazarah

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blü 2 said:
It's not my job to discover the history of floods and droughts affecting the Euphrates.

However, since even a single precedent will invalidate your claim in the OP, you'll need to clear the facts up yourself.

I don't know why that point didn't occur to you, but it won't be going away.
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You're the one making the claim that the Euphrates has dried up before so it's up to you to prove it. I have proven all of the things that I've claimed.
 
Etritonakin

Etritonakin

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Tazarah said:
None of this has anything to do with the fact that the scriptures say the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob must be gathered from the lands of their captivities by God/the Messiah (Jeremiah 30:7-11) and then placed back into the holy land before the prophecies in Zechariah come to pass.
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Yes -it does. They are not in captivity YET. Generally... The house of Israel now inhabit their birthrights (Ephraim, Manasseh, etc.) -Judah now inhabits Jerusalem.

The house of Judah and the the house of Israel are NOW NOT IN CAPTIVITY. They go into captivity at the beginning of the "times of the gentiles" -which begin quite soon and do not last very long.

Judah is already in the holy land (after WWII as prophesied) -SOME of them go into captivity soon -and will return -but some DO NOT and continue to fight.
The house of Israel is not now in the holy land.
Some of them go into captivity from their present locations -to another location not in the holy land -and return to the holy land just AFTER Christ returns -AFTER God saves JUDAH FIRST.
The house of Israel (and likely some of Judah) does not go out to the holy land from captivity until AFTER the returning Christ puts down those forces which gather against Jerusalem.

"The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah."

Zech 10:8I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased.9And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again.
10I will bring them again also out of the land of Egypt, and gather them out of Assyria; and I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon; and place shall not be found for them.
 
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