The Evolution Chamber: Piltdown Man

[Polymath257]

You know how when a believer tells you that you are a product of sin, that you were created and you say that you are not, because all of that stuff is made up. Well, I'm not an ape. All that stuff is made up.

I have decided not to discuss the subject of science and evolution anymore. It's a waste of time. It's all made up.

Nope. You can verify that humans have each and every characteristic I mentioned. And those characteristics *define* the different categories of living things. Humans *are* apes! YOu 'make up' reasons to not believe it...actually, mostly simply denying it.

 

[exchemist]

Yes, humans are apes. I'm not sure what is hard about this concept. Pretty sure I covered this like back in grade 8 Biology class. Even kids documentaries would mention this offhandedly nowadays.
Also why do you insist on refusing to learn? That is the height of arrogance and, to be frank, quite childish. God gave you a brain and you turn your back on that gift?

I think it's because he is a Jehovah's Witness (the mask slipped a while back).

These people, as I have learnt on this forum, discourage further education. So probably intrinsically suspicious of that thar book larnin'. A similar attitude to Boko Haram, in fact.

 

[Polymath257]

No, thanks. Not interested anymore. Apes are humans.

Stupid.

No. Not all apes are humans. But all humans are apes. Our biological similarities is what is used to classify, just like with every other species on Earth. This was understood way before evolution was proposed, by the way.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

It was never accepted by all scientists, and was always significantly controversial. Your book sucks.

Besides which, solid science debunked it in a relatively short time, as humans go when it comes to these things.

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Further, would it be possible to get a moritorium on these constant and inane "I completely misunderstood this single facet of scientific knowledge or history, therefore the entire edifice of modern evolution/relativity/cosmology/geology/archeology/palaeontology is wrong because my C average year 8 general science knowledge from 20 years ago says so" posts for a while? Say a week?

 

[Polymath257]

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Further, would it be possible to get a moritorium on these constant and inane "I completely misunderstood this single facet of scientific knowledge or history, therefore the entire edifice of evolution/relativity/cosmology/geology/archeology/palaeontology is wrong because my C average year 8 general science knowledge from 20 years ago say so" posts for a while? Say a week?

Not likely. We can't even get a moratorium on incessant threads asking why atheists believe stuff they don't.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Yeah, but Christianity isn't presented as peer reviewed, reproducible, irrefutable, blah, blah, blah . . . fact.

Science doesn't claim to be irrefutable fact. Case in point, scientists refuted Piltdown Man.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

No, thanks. Not interested anymore. Apes are humans.

Stupid.

IF you can provide an objectively verifiable, logically consistant definition of "ape" which would not include humans, I'd be facinated to see it.

Can you?

 

[Audie]

Nope. You can verify that humans have each and every characteristic I mentioned. And those characteristics *define* the different categories of living things. Humans *are* apes! YOu 'make up' reasons to not believe it...actually, mostly simply denying it.

It is just the same old tiresome things we see over and
over from some people.

There are great flaws in their ideas and thinking, and they
project it onto others.

The creo has no real choice but to make things up (or parrot
what someone else made up for them) so naturally,
they must perforce accuse others of making things up.

But really what kind of mind* does it take to think that they
somehow have risen above every scientist in the world, and
can see that the ToE is based on things that were just made up?

*serious flaws, maybe?

 

[Audie]

Science doesn't claim to be irrefutable fact. Case in point, scientists refuted Piltdown Man.

Christianity is presented as irrefutable GOD given
fact. Of course, nothing is reproducable or demonstrable
that is why it is "faith"!

Anyone who thinks science is supposed to be irrefutable fact
in any instance is reflecting abysmal education, perhaps
from a 4th rate school, maybe from total inattention.

 

[Audie]

No, thanks. Not interested anymore. Apes are humans.

Stupid.

Say,you may be on to something! One legged wino
microcephalics with parkinson's disease are human.

Everyone here is human.

Therefore, you and I and the man behind the tree are as above?

Stupid? You said it.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Just curious:

What would happen if some disingenuous creationist troll began pontificating and strutting around and no one paid it any attention?​

 

[SomeRandom]

I think it's because he is a Jehovah's Witness (the mask slipped a while back).

These people, as I have learnt on this forum, discourage further education. So probably intrinsically suspicious of that thar book larnin'. A similar attitude to Boko Haram, in fact.

What a waste. If I ever pulled that nonsense, I'd have to endure several lectures on the value of higher learning, not to mention the disappointed glares and perhaps having to write out an essay or two. (The downfall of weirdly belonging to a family of teachers.)

 

[exchemist]

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Further, would it be possible to get a moritorium on these constant and inane "I completely misunderstood this single facet of scientific knowledge or history, therefore the entire edifice of modern evolution/relativity/cosmology/geology/archeology/palaeontology is wrong because my C average year 8 general science knowledge from 20 years ago says so" posts for a while? Say a week?

What a waste. If I ever pulled that nonsense, I'd have to endure several lectures on the value of higher learning, not to mention the disappointed glares and perhaps having to write out an essay or two. (The downfall of weirdly belonging to a family of teachers.)

Yeah, I was saddened to discover this about JWs. There is teaching in my family as well. Discouragement of learning is for me one of the worst things a person can do.

 

[SomeRandom]

Yeah, I was saddened to discover this about JWs. There is teaching in my family as well. Discouragement of learning is for me one of the worst things a person can do.

Well I probably wouldn't go that far. I see it as wasted potential more than anything. Formal education was never my forte, but I was and continue to be curious. Dare not let my family know though. I once told my cousin I wasn't sure about seeking out education post High School. A month later and I was still in detention lol.

 

[gnostic]

No, thanks. Not interested anymore. Apes are humans.

No. You still don’t understand even after so many have explained to you.

It is the other way around.

“Humans are apes”, not “Apes are humans”.

How you say it, makes a lot of differences.

All humans are apes.

All chimpanzees are apes.

All gorillas are apes.

But not all apes are humans.

And to make it clearer to you, humans are not chimpanzees and humans are not gorillas.

Chimpanzees cannot make human offspring, nor can humans make baby chimpanzee. That’s not how evolution work, and you really don’t understand evolution if that’s what science teach people.

It far more complex than that.

The species before Homo genus and Pan genus were species that have some characteristics of Homo and Pan, but this species are themselves not humans, nor chimpanzees, but the common ancestors of both genera.

Humans as in Homo sapiens (modern humans are more precisely a subspecies of the Homo sapiens, called “Homo sapiens sapiens”, which mean “very wise human”), are just one of number of other species in the genus Homo, and the only species that still exist.

There are a number of species in the genus Homo, and all group together as “clade”.

Modern biology, are no longer linear taxonomy, because the older (linear) taxonomy don’t explain sufficiently the complexity of closely related species, so a new biological classification was required, to group them together as well as distinguishing from each other.

I am still a novice, when it comes to biology, because my main focus in science in my engineering courses were always applied physics. What I have learned about evolution these last 15 years, clearly don’t make me an expert. But I am willing to learn about biology.

Before 2003, I knew nothing about evolution vs creationism, until I joined a different forum (not this one).

 

[gnostic]

Just curious:

What would happen if some disingenuous creationist troll began pontificating and strutting around and no one paid it any attention?​

That would be good idea, is to ignore them.

But when they tried to put creationism into science classrooms, then being silent isn’t option.

Huxley fought long and hard to keep creationism and theology out of science courses during the late 19th century.

It wouldn’t be good for students for creationism to come back uni science or science-related (eg engineering) courses.

 

[Audie]

Just curious:

What would happen if some disingenuous creationist troll began pontificating and strutting around and no one paid it any attention?​

Terrif idea. Re-post every time one starts a new
thread.

 

[Audie]

No. You still don’t understand even after so many have explained to you.

It is the other way around.

“Humans are apes”, not “Apes are humans”.

How you say it, makes a lot of differences.

All humans are apes.

All chimpanzees are apes.

All gorillas are apes.

But not all apes are humans.

And to make it clearer to you, humans are not chimpanzees and humans are not gorillas.

Chimpanzees cannot make human offspring, nor can humans make baby chimpanzee. That’s not how evolution work, and you really don’t understand evolution if that’s what science teach people.

It far more complex than that.

The species before Homo genus and Pan genus were species that have some characteristics of Homo and Pan, but this species are themselves not humans, nor chimpanzees, but the common ancestors of both genera.

Humans as in Homo sapiens (modern humans are more precisely a subspecies of the Homo sapiens, called “Homo sapiens sapiens”, which mean “very wise human”), are just one of number of other species in the genus Homo, and the only species that still exist.

There are a number of species in the genus Homo, and all group together as “clade”.

Modern biology, are no longer linear taxonomy, because the older (linear) taxonomy don’t explain sufficiently the complexity of closely related species, so a new biological classification was required, to group them together as well as distinguishing from each other.

I am still a novice, when it comes to biology, because my main focus in science in my engineering courses were always applied physics. What I have learned about evolution these last 15 years, clearly don’t make me an expert. But I am willing to learn about biology.

Before 2003, I knew nothing about evolution vs creationism, until I joined a different forum (not this one).

ya may of overrespondiated to snark

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

But when they tried to put creationism into science classrooms, then being silent isn’t option.

This isn't a science classroom.

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

If a Chihuahua mates with another dog the result is a dog. And if a human mates with an ape?

Both your parents were apes, so there is your answer.