The Feds raid Amish farm, charge farmer with $30000 fine.

[Wildswanderer]

Does anyone see an agenda here? Bypass government aid and become a self-sufficient community and you are a criminal.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's one way to fight inflation....increase everyone's
cost of food, legal bills, & taxes to pay government
agents to harass people who've done nothing wrong.

For those who'd rather read than watch a video...
LINNEKIN: Mopping up the raw-milk mob

 

[Sirona]

Multistate Outbreak of Listeriosis Linked to Raw Milk Produced by Miller’s Organic Farm in Pennsylvania | Listeria | CDC

I suppose milk has to be pasteurized to avoid casualties?

 

[Sirona]

Do you have the right to kill others by omission as long as it stays only "within your own community"?

 

[The Hammer]

Do you have the right to kill others by omission as long as it stays only "within your own community"?

People buying unpasteurized aka "raw" milk. Are almost always aware of the risk they are taking. As long as they weren't buying it unknowingly.

 

[Twilight Hue]

People buying unpasteurized aka "raw" milk. Are almost always aware of the risk they are taking. As long as they weren't buying it unknowingly.

I bought unpasteurized for years. Just boil and refrigerate and screw the corporate gougers.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I wonder who ordered this? A democrat or a republican?

 

[Daemon Sophic]

People buying unpasteurized aka "raw" milk. Are almost always aware of the risk they are taking. As long as they weren't buying it unknowingly.

You give WAY too much credit to the intelligence of the average human being (let alone an American consumer).
The quoted article tries to make the same spineless defense. History has shown that lack of regulation has failed, over and over and over and over again. Throughout all societies, in all nations, throughout all time that humans have existed. Because yes, scientists often DO know better than the public, and large scientific oversight can do a better job than the back yard gossiping fence.

Unregulated method: People eat food. Some of those people die. No research is ever done to link one to the other, because no oversight exists.
Maybe. Just maybe, “word gets around” that Bob Parrson sells bad milk. Maybe they go out of business after…..?….3….6….8? more children in the community die?
Or perhaps 3 children die. A mob burns the Parrson farm to the ground, killing 3 more and destroying the lives of the orphaned survivors. Then 4 more kids die from the unsuspected continuing pollution from the Beynord’s farm.
Aaaaaand we have successfully returned to the 1700’s.

 

[The Hammer]

You give WAY too much credit to the intelligence of the average human being (let alone an American consumer).
The quoted article tries to make the same spineless defense. History has shown that lack of regulation has failed, over and over and over and over again. Throughout all societies, in all nations, throughout all time that humans have existed. Because yes, scientists often DO know better than the public, and large scientific oversight can do a better job than the back yard gossiping fence.

Unregulated method: People eat food. Some of those people die. No research is ever done to link one to the other, because no oversight exists.
Maybe. Just maybe, “word gets around” that Bob Parrson sells bad milk. Maybe they go out of business after…..?….3….6….8? more children in the community die?
Or perhaps 3 children die. A mob burns the Parrson farm to the ground, killing 3 more and destroying the lives of the orphaned survivors. Then 4 more kids die from the unsuspected continuing pollution from the Beynord’s farm.
Aaaaaand we have successfully returned to the 1700’s.

That's why we slap a warning on it. It's on the raw milks in the stores. Just ensure it says "warning: milk may kill you". If McDs needs a warning their coffee is hot. This is just a no brainer.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

That's why we slap a warning on it. It's on the raw milks in the stores. Just ensure it says "warning: milk may kill you". If McDs needs a warning their coffee is hot. This is just a no brainer.

Just as an fyi, that McD lawsuit happened because they were overheating the coffee way, way more than competitors. To the extent that a lady who spilled some in her lap in a parked car had to get skin grafts for genitals that had been fused.
Sometimes people are overly litigious. But sometimes the risks are downplayed.
"Know the Facts:" Resources for Consumers

 

[metis]

Does anyone see an agenda here?

Yours, yes.

Bypass government aid and become a self-sufficient community and you are a criminal.

That's nonsense, especially since pasteurization helps to keep people healthier. Carlson twists things so as to con the unwitting as we have seen over and over again.

BTW, why would you watch Tucker and expect unbiased reporting? At least check some other sources before blindly believing him.

 

[The Hammer]

Just as an fyi, that McD lawsuit happened because they were overheating the coffee way, way more than competitors. To the extent that a lady who spilled some in her lap in a parked car had to get skin grafts for genitals that had been fused.
Sometimes people are overly litigious. But sometimes the risks are downplayed.
"Know the Facts:" Resources for Consumers

Oh, yeah, thank you, I know the history behind that scandal. It's just a good example because the average person tends to have heard about it.

 

[Brickjectivity]

They raided him for selling meat following regulations, but these regulations ought to be changed. Each person has a right to the pursuit of happiness, and they have gone overboard by forbidding us to sell meat except through large businesses. The fine would be nothing to a large business but is too much burden for the poor, and the law should be challenged.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Yours, yes.

That's nonsense, especially since pasteurization helps to keep people healthier. Carlson twists things so as to con the unwitting as we have seen over and over again.

BTW, why would you watch Tucker and expect unbiased reporting? At least check some other sources before blindly believing him.

No, pasteurization does not help the average person to be more healthy... just the opposite. As others have already mentioned, buying raw milk implies that you accept the small risk of possible bacteria. I drank raw milk from age two, from the time I went off breast milk.
It's actually much better for you unless you already have some allergy to milk which means you wouldn't be drinking any milk anyway.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

They raided him for selling meat following regulations, but these regulations ought to be changed. Each person has a right to the pursuit of happiness, and they have gone overboard by forbidding us to sell meat except through large businesses. The fine would be nothing to a large business but is too much burden for the poor, and the law should be challenged.

This is actually a good idea that I agree with. Rich people and businesses should pay more for equal crimes. Or rather, they should pay an equal percentage of their total annual income for crimes that a poor person would.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

No, pasteurization does not help the average person to be more healthy... just the opposite. As others have already mentioned, buying raw milk implies that you accept the small risk of possible bacteria. I drank raw milk from age two, from the time I went off breast milk.
It's actually much better for you unless you already have some allergy to milk which means you wouldn't be drinking any milk anyway.

Drinking milk squeezed from a mammals teets is not good for you (unless you are still of nursing age). After that point it just makes you fat, increases your breast cancer risk, and puts you at a much higher risk of multiple “auto-immune” disorders. Sorry.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Drinking milk squeezed from a mammals teets is not good for you (unless you are still of nursing age). After that point it just makes you fat, increases your breast cancer risk, and puts you at a much higher risk of multiple “auto-immune” disorders. Sorry.

• Large studies have found that raw milk consumption is associated with lower rates of:
  
  • asthma
    
    
  • allergies
    
    
  • eczema
    
    
  • ear infections
    
    
  • fevers
    
    
  • respiratory infections
    
    
  • • Childhood consumption of raw milk correlates with higher pulmonary (lung) function and lower incidence of allergic diseases in adults.
      

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Drinking milk squeezed from a mammals teets is not good for you (unless you are still of nursing age). After that point it just makes you fat, increases your breast cancer risk, and puts you at a much higher risk of multiple “auto-immune” disorders. Sorry.

Some people are lactose intolerant, and some are not. Why is that

 

[amorphous_constellation]

That's one way to fight inflation....increase everyone's
cost of food, legal bills, & taxes to pay government
agents to harass people who've done nothing wrong.

Under nixon, wasn't there an agricultural minister or something that talked about 'going big, or getting out.' It seems like this was something discussed here, possibly. And now today, we see the price of food going up, and supply chains showing disruption. So I figure this might be less about what the amish farmer did, and more about starting to want greater scale. A health concern? Well, we see that gas stations are stuffed with processed junk food, which does seem like a sacrifice of quality for quantity

What a superpower wants, for some reason, is usually always population growth. Notice how last year, china's xi boasted about his massive army in a speech. I don't see how that is relevant though, since we live in a post-human composed military sort of world - what with drones and icbms. In any case, a superpower needs to scale up farming, to scale up population, which is something it wants. More people are perceived as a net benefit, as perhaps they slowly but surely process new potential real estate, which profits the state somehow

 

[Revoltingest]

Under nixon, wasn't there an agricultural minister or something that talked about 'going big, or getting out.' It seems like this was something discussed here, possibly. And now today, we see the price of food going up, and supply chains showing disruption. So I figure this might be less about what the amish farmer did, and more about starting to want greater scale. A health concern? Well, we see that gas stations are stuffed with processed junk food, which does seem like a sacrifice of quality for quantity

What a superpower wants, for some reason, is usually always population growth. Notice how last year, china's xi boasted about his massive army in a speech. I don't see how that is relevant though, since we live in a post-human composed military sort of world - what with drones and icbms. In any case, a superpower needs to scale up farming, to scale up population, which is something it wants. More people are perceived as a net benefit, as perhaps they slowly but surely process new potential real estate, which profits the state somehow

I don't see a government agenda to discourage
small farms. The better explanation is government
regulation of raw farm products.